Liverpool FC Forum

[stmichael]

the only worrying thing is we still let the opposition get on top of us in the first 20-25 minutes in the second half of games as we progressively get deeper. despite playing a higher line yesterday we were still all over the place for long spells in the second half before rallying again in the last 10-15 minutes. the same has happened at home against average sides such as sunderland, wolves, norwich and swansea, all of whom should have been buried at half time if we'd taken our chances.

[alwayslfc]

I just don't know what's the problem with Liverpool. We have new players this term in Hendo, Adam, Downing, Enrique and the not so new Suarez and Carroll. Many have been saying that Liverpool are in a transition and need time to gel. Ok, sounds reasonable.

But, there's a but, for those of you who are old enough to remember, in 87/88 season Kenny bought new players in J.Barnes, P.Beardsley, R.Houghton and Aldo into the 1st team and we never looked back. That team didn't need time to gel, they got on with their business of thrashing opponents right from day 1 and games played better than Brazilians. Why aren't we doing it with this current squad with the same manager in charge?

Anyone know the answer? Because I don't know. My guess is, most of the new signings are just over-rated, over-priced average players.

[Benny The Noon]

I just don't know what's the problem with Liverpool. We have new players this term in Hendo, Adam, Downing, Enrique and the not so new Suarez and Carroll. Many have been saying that Liverpool are in a transition and need time to gel. Ok, sounds reasonable.

But, there's a but, for those of you who are old enough to remember, in 87/88 season Kenny bought new players in J.Barnes, P.Beardsley, R.Houghton and Aldo into the 1st team and we never looked back. That team didn't need time to gel, they got on with their business of thrashing opponents right from day 1 and games played better than Brazilians. Why aren't we doing it with this current squad with the same manager in charge?

Anyone know the answer? Because I don't know. My guess is, most of the new signings are just over-rated, over-priced average players.

Back in 87/88 Kenny bought players into a team which two years previously had won the double and had won the title 5 times already during the decade . Thats a little bit different to current times dont you think

[Greavesie]

I just don't know what's the problem with Liverpool. We have new players this term in Hendo, Adam, Downing, Enrique and the not so new Suarez and Carroll. Many have been saying that Liverpool are in a transition and need time to gel. Ok, sounds reasonable.

But, there's a but, for those of you who are old enough to remember, in 87/88 season Kenny bought new players in J.Barnes, P.Beardsley, R.Houghton and Aldo into the 1st team and we never looked back. That team didn't need time to gel, they got on with their business of thrashing opponents right from day 1 and games played better than Brazilians. Why aren't we doing it with this current squad with the same manager in charge?

Anyone know the answer? Because I don't know. My guess is, most of the new signings are just over-rated, over-priced average players.

you might just be the happiest poster on this board...

I'm quite happy you said you don't think we can beat Cheslea, keep it up!

[Ola Mr Benitez]

All thats missing now is consistancy.

The football when its good, is better than we have played for a decade or more.

I dont understand it when posters on here say we are no better than we have been, our attacking play is sometimes sublime, our defense is the meanest in the league, the only thing missing is goals.  I understand they are "quite" important but they will come.  You could say we have been unlucky in front of goal when you look at how often we have hit the woodwork.

Lets get rid of the negativity, its a new team, with a new manager, new coach, new owner and new ideas, its going to take more than a few months before we are winning the league... but it will happen!

YNWA

[Roger Red Hat]

I just don't know what's the problem with Liverpool. We have new players this term in Hendo, Adam, Downing, Enrique and the not so new Suarez and Carroll. Many have been saying that Liverpool are in a transition and need time to gel. Ok, sounds reasonable.

But, there's a but, for those of you who are old enough to remember, in 87/88 season Kenny bought new players in J.Barnes, P.Beardsley, R.Houghton and Aldo into the 1st team and we never looked back. That team didn't need time to gel, they got on with their business of thrashing opponents right from day 1 and games played better than Brazilians. Why aren't we doing it with this current squad with the same manager in charge?

Anyone know the answer? Because I don't know. My guess is, most of the new signings are just over-rated, over-priced average players.

your not serious are ya? 

[stmichael]

All thats missing now is consistancy.

The football when its good, is better than we have played for a decade or more.

I dont understand it when posters on here say we are no better than we have been, our attacking play is sometimes sublime, our defense is the meanest in the league, the only thing missing is goals.  I understand they are "quite" important but they will come.  You could say we have been unlucky in front of goal when you look at how often we have hit the woodwork.

Lets get rid of the negativity, its a new team, with a new manager, new coach, new owner and new ideas, its going to take more than a few months before we are winning the league... but it will happen!

YNWA

good post.

we're miles better as a squad these days. ok the first eleven isn't as strong as say 08/9 but the strength in depth nowadays is epitomised by the options we have off the bench. in the past we were relying on the likes of ngog and el zhar to change games.

as you say it's the inability to take chances that has cost us. apart from the spurs game we would have won every other game we've played this season if we could finish.

[alwayslfc]

All thats missing now is consistancy.

The football when its good, is better than we have played for a decade or more.

I dont understand it when posters on here say we are no better than we have been, our attacking play is sometimes sublime, our defense is the meanest in the league, the only thing missing is goals.  I understand they are "quite" important but they will come.  You could say we have been unlucky in front of goal when you look at how often we have hit the woodwork.

Lets get rid of the negativity, its a new team, with a new manager, new coach, new owner and new ideas, its going to take more than a few months before we are winning the league... but it will happen!

YNWA

good post.

we're miles better as a squad these days. ok the first eleven isn't as strong as say 08/9 but the strength in depth nowadays is epitomised by the options we have off the bench. in the past we were relying on the likes of ngog and el zhar to change games.

as you say it's the inability to take chances that has cost us. apart from the spurs game we would have won every other game we've played this season if we could finish.

[quote]

That's why (like I've always said) we need to get a quality striker in the Jan. window and a quality right winger (hope we can get N.Dyer from Swans) to compliment Suarez because Andy is still struggling.

I was surprised we didn't get a quality striker during the summer but instead we bought too many midfielders, the reason could be hoping they could supply the ammunitions for A.C. which by now don't seem to be working and now we're paying the costs and could even cost us a CL place if Comolli and Kenny don't do something about it esp when Newc, Spurs and Arsenal have been very impressive lately.

[parchpea]

I agree we need a forward, well we need a few overall, however for me its a playmaker that can drift inside and is comfy in posession and can open up the game. I know hes older know but saw that Aimar for Benfica and wonder how he never ended up here under Rafa, his type are a vital piece these days, even in the Prem, and at that point perhaps they felt he was a bit light weight. Im sure we tried for Mata but we are just a bit out of shape for him at the moment but if there is one attainable we should go all out on the deal. Make a big difference especially at Anfield.

[Thommo's perm]

Buying new players is not always the answer. We have spent more than enough and should be going with what weve got.
We have a squad more than capable of beating anyone and we have at least two quality players for each position.
If we were losing all the time and were desperate then I would think about spending more money.
But we dont and were not
So no

[crazyhorse]

I can understand the impatience, but it is misguided.

As well as overhaulling the squad, Kenny is introducing a completely new ethos of football to the club. We stopped playing the Liverpool way under Houllier and we started on the style we played right up to rafa left. For the established players this is also a massive job, learning a new style over one that has been ingrained into them.

We are seeing snatches during games when we look on fire. The consistency will come with time.

We are going to eat this league up next season!

[redtrader74]

We lack confidence, when the score is 0-0 the players know what to do and play well and attack with menace, but once we get a lead or find that 45 mins of attacking hasn't worked we run out of ideas. Our players overall seem scared once we get a lead and think they need to sit back, and I blame this in part on the 'small club' mentality that downing, Henderson and Adam probably have, where they are used to
playing against bigger better clubs. In the last few games I have seen an improvement in Adams application and as he has been used correctly, in Hendersons confidence. The main issue is do we continue with Carroll or play the guys that are and can link up well together, as the system against Chelsea is one I have thought would work. I think that our results will get better, bar city we have had the most shots at goal.

[Roger Red Hat]

if you look at Daggers team and the one Benitez left behind for my money we have swapped Suarez for Torres and beyond that its pretty much the same.

Not sure it's at all anything similar...

Rafa's last team...

Riena, Carra, The greek, Agger, Masha, Gerrard, Lucas, Maxi, Benny, Kuyt, Aqualani

unless I'm missing the point totally that looks like we're by far better off now than back then. If that was our starting XI this season we'd be screwed.

[mart]

if you look at Daggers team and the one Benitez left behind for my money we have swapped Suarez for Torres and beyond that its pretty much the same.

Not sure it's at all anything similar...

Rafa's last team...

Riena, Carra, The greek, Agger, Masha, Gerrard, Lucas, Maxi, Benny, Kuyt, Aqualani

unless I'm missing the point totally that looks like we're by far better off now than back then. If that was our starting XI this season we'd be screwed.

Thats not Rafa's last team.

[Thommo's perm]

We lack confidence, when the score is 0-0 the players know what to do and play well and attack with menace, but once we get a lead or find that 45 mins of attacking hasn't worked we run out of ideas. Our players overall seem scared once we get a lead and think they need to sit back, and I blame this in part on the 'small club' mentality that downing, Henderson and Adam probably have, where they are used to
playing against bigger better clubs. In the last few games I have seen an improvement in Adams application and as he has been used correctly, in Hendersons confidence. The main issue is do we continue with Carroll or play the guys that are and can link up well together, as the system against Chelsea is one I have thought would work. I think that our results will get better, bar city we have had the most shots at goal.

The problem is we dont have a leader
If Gerrards absent its Carragher. If Carraghers not there who is it?
This lack of leadership has cost us points and the sooner its rectified the sooner we will see consitency