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[Benny The Noon]

Otherwise, we will be off loading players in Jan so we will start again.

Really? You think we are going to sell players after half a season with a massive loss?

Well, I'm guessing based on Henry's history with his baseball team. It is highly probable he will act this way as he likes to cut his losses. What if he will even get less after the whole season? He likes to minimize his losses as there is no way knowing if the players can regain his form or is a true bust....Anyway, Henry wants immediate success and will not wait to act.

Henry has told you that himself has he ?

I suggest you go watch a few of his interviews and also some of Kenny's and also Henry's twitter feed .

What you are saying is the total opposite of what the actual person is saying

He understands there is no immediate results and it will take time .

[stmichael]

i wonder if we'll see 3-5-2 at any stage this season? i ask because it's clear to me that kenny wants carroll and suarez in the side to work on the patrnership. other than 4-4-2, 3-5-2 isthe only other formation that allows this unless you play sua rez wide in a 4-3-3. i still don't think playing suarez upfront on his own leading the line gets the best out of him atthe moment because the midfield isn't firing.

[damjan193]

i wonder if we'll see 3-5-2 at any stage this season? i ask because it's clear to me that kenny wants carroll and suarez in the side to work on the patrnership. other than 4-4-2, 3-5-2 isthe only other formation that allows this unless you play sua rez wide in a 4-3-3. i still don't think playing suarez upfront on his own leading the line gets the best out of him atthe moment because the midfield isn't firing.

Thought of it myself, believe it's worth a try

[damjan193]

Although I agree with most of you that we lack control in our midfield, we're not connecting the midfield with our attack and we're not taking our chances, I think we're also lacking something that the likes of United and Spurs have had a lot this season and that is luck. I swear, Manchester United are the luckiest team in the prem. They got lucky with us, with Sunderland yesterday, with WBA, with Everton even with Swansea if I remember well. They were under a lot of pressure in all of these games and barely created half of what we created in our 4 home draws, yet they got maximum points against all of them expect against us, and we've lost 8. With those 8 points we would have been second and wouldn't have been talking about how bad is our midfield or how Kenny doesn't have a plan B etc. We've hit the post 11 focking times ffs!

But since luck is never on our side, we need to make some changes. I think it's time we give Spearing and/or Maxi a chance. Also, in order for our midfield to work we need to play with 3 midfielders at least until Gerrard comes back. Also, we need to relief Adam of as much as defensive duty as we can and let him play more forward, where I think he'll show us his full potential and let Lucas and Spearing handle the defending.             

                   Spearing    Lucas

                            Adam

Probably we should drop Carroll as well because this kind of play might not suit him. The attack should look like this:

             Maxi/Kuyt    Suarez     Downing

Don't know how will this work but we desperately need a change, though such experiments will be tough now knowing our following games...

[stmichael]

Although I agree with most of you that we lack control in our midfield, we're not connecting the midfield with our attack and we're not taking our chances, I think we're also lacking something that the likes of United and Spurs have had a lot this season and that is luck. I swear, Manchester United are the luckiest team in the prem. They got lucky with us, with Sunderland yesterday, with WBA, with Everton even with Swansea if I remember well. They were under a lot of pressure in all of these games and barely created half of what we created in our 4 home draws, yet they got maximum points against all of them expect against us, and we've lost 8. With those 8 points we would have been second and wouldn't have been talking about how bad is our midfield or how Kenny doesn't have a plan B etc. We've hit the post 11 focking times ffs!

But since luck is never on our side, we need to make some changes. I think it's time we give Spearing and/or Maxi a chance. Also, in order for our midfield to work we need to play with 3 midfielders at least until Gerrard comes back. Also, we need to relief Adam of as much as defensive duty as we can and let him play more forward, where I think he'll show us his full potential and let Lucas and Spearing handle the defending.             

                   Spearing    Lucas

                            Adam

Probably we should drop Carroll as well because this kind of play might not suit him. The attack should look like this:

             Maxi/Kuyt    Suarez     Downing

Don't know how will this work but we desperately need a change, though such experiments will be tough now knowing our following games...

I agree with you. It's noticable that we aren't pressing as a side like we should be at the moment for whatever reason. Kuyt, Spearing and Bellamy for example are ideal for this type of game but none of them are getting the game time, despite the first two being in the team last season when we played our best football. The side as a whole had more fluid movement in possession and seemed to communicate better. This season I'm struggling to establish what our style of play or gameplan actually is. We're far too rigid and the interchanging of positions isn't there unless instructed to do so.

[akumaface]

Otherwise, we will be off loading players in Jan so we will start again.

Really? You think we are going to sell players after half a season with a massive loss?

Well, I'm guessing based on Henry's history with his baseball team. It is highly probable he will act this way as he likes to cut his losses. What if he will even get less after the whole season? He likes to minimize his losses as there is no way knowing if the players can regain his form or is a true bust....Anyway, Henry wants immediate success and will not wait to act.

Henry has told you that himself has he ?

I suggest you go watch a few of his interviews and also some of Kenny's and also Henry's twitter feed .

What you are saying is the total opposite of what the actual person is saying

He understands there is no immediate results and it will take time .

Why are u always on the offensive. I based my observation from his baseball team and i suggest you check it out before u try to attack others. Anyway, just wait and see. If we continue to slide, henry is not afraid to pull the trigger. He will not stand pad if he thinks some players are not good enough. Just hope we will not come to that.

Just seems no longer can have a calm and intelligent discussion in this forum anymore.....sigh.

[tubby]

Otherwise, we will be off loading players in Jan so we will start again.

Really? You think we are going to sell players after half a season with a massive loss?

Well, I'm guessing based on Henry's history with his baseball team. It is highly probable he will act this way as he likes to cut his losses. What if he will even get less after the whole season? He likes to minimize his losses as there is no way knowing if the players can regain his form or is a true bust....Anyway, Henry wants immediate success and will not wait to act.

Henry has told you that himself has he ?

I suggest you go watch a few of his interviews and also some of Kenny's and also Henry's twitter feed .

What you are saying is the total opposite of what the actual person is saying

He understands there is no immediate results and it will take time .

On the flip side you are reading into his tweets too much. TBH It's a fair comment to look at how he has worked in the past. Ultimately we have spent close to 100mil and don't look like a team with near 100mil worth of better quality players.

[alwayslfc]

Otherwise, we will be off loading players in Jan so we will start again.

Really? You think we are going to sell players after half a season with a massive loss?

Well, I'm guessing based on Henry's history with his baseball team. It is highly probable he will act this way as he likes to cut his losses. What if he will even get less after the whole season? He likes to minimize his losses as there is no way knowing if the players can regain his form or is a true bust....Anyway, Henry wants immediate success and will not wait to act.

Henry has told you that himself has he ?

I suggest you go watch a few of his interviews and also some of Kenny's and also Henry's twitter feed .

What you are saying is the total opposite of what the actual person is saying

He understands there is no immediate results and it will take time .

On the flip side you are reading into his tweets too much. TBH It's a fair comment to look at how he has worked in the past. Ultimately we have spent close to 100mil and don't look like a team with near 100mil worth of better quality players.

[quote]

I agree with you Tubby. Our results so far per se compare to Kenny's time with us last season have shockingly gone backwards. I don't think we can beat Newc 3-0, Chelsea 1-0, Sunderland 2-0, Fulham 5-2, Birmingham 5-0 again by the way we're playing right now. The signings we've made since January other than Suarez, Enrique and probably Coates have disappointed.

IMO, truth hurts and A.C. was a panic buy when 'Judas' Torres left us and I think Kenny was doing all he could to get the best out of A.C. including buying players in Adam, Henderson, Downing to supply the crosses and passes for him to score BUT unfortunately it is not working. So I'd say the A.C. factor is a major reason behind all our disappointing results.

I always hold the belief that if Andy doesn't show any signs of being a prolific scorer by Christmas, Kenny should exclude him from the starting lineup and try his utmost to get a quality striker and a creative midfielder when the Jan. window opens. They don't have to be young and British but can be any nationality and age is not an issue (remember Gary McAllister?) since we're getting desperate with the likes of Newc, Spurs, Arsenal not showing any signs of slip ups.

[lakes10]

I think that getting the ball into Carroll is a big problem, its great that we have someone good on one wing but i do feel we need another winger so he can get the good balls from both sides.

As for Kenny, I think he should use trhe subs better but to be fair to him he has had some very key players out and to still be up there he is doing well. once all the players are fit will be the real test for him, he needs a good 6 weeks run with a full fir team and no international games, only them will we see if he is getting it right.

[Redman in wales]

once all the players are fit will be the real test for him, he needs a good 6 weeks run with a full fir team and no international games, only them will we see if he is getting it right.

trouble is though, that situation never happens in football. It's very very rare for anyone to be a full strength for weeks on end. two games in a row and you're considered lucky.

[lakes10]

once all the players are fit will be the real test for him, he needs a good 6 weeks run with a full fir team and no international games, only them will we see if he is getting it right.

trouble is though, that situation never happens in football. It's very very rare for anyone to be a full strength for weeks on end. two games in a row and you're considered lucky.

yes very true, but he has been unluck this year with his two strong men out of the game at the same time.

[red till i die!!]

didnt matter really that he had players missing as we should have won most of those games we drew.
granted gerrard is always needed in this side but we have shown that we still can create chances without him,we also had plenty of cover for johnson so that wasnt a problem position.the only one that we have listed injured is gerrard with no return date set.other than that i assume we have  a fully fit squad now.
tactically kenny and clarke have been poor and got it wrong in some games and seem reluctant to have a plan b for when it isnt going so well.doesn't change things till very late either and often the changes are puzzling.
we have had our fair share of misfortune already this season and we arent that badly off and can only improve but still we threw away a lot of points when we shouldnt of and we all fear that this will haunt us in may.football is always about pass and move but tactically and strategically it has evolved so much since kennys last stint and i worry this might be what he's not getting and why we are missing that killer edge.
this side hasnt much flair but they do the basics well and work hard,they need to be more ruthless when we have so much possession and the results will go in our favour.

[parchpea]

We can talk tactics and methods but if you look at Daggers team and the one Benitez left behind for my money we have swapped Suarez for Torres and beyond that its pretty much the same. Truth be told we are maybe an edge worse off. No one wants to see Kenny fail but bottom line is some of these boys must improve and if not its another load of coin down the pan Im afraid. Negativity is unwelcomed but we have to be honest, the team I see before before me is very ordinary at this point. I would love to be surprised but this year looks like another dissapointment for us all.

[stmichael]

have to say fair play to kenny yesterday regarding the team selection and the substitutions. got it spot on. bellamy and maxi give us far better movement both on and off the ball. maxi may drift in and out off games but he's basically averaging a goal every other game when he's started in 2011. he also has a great understanding with suarez.

we also got our pressing game back, especially in the first half when we were excellent imo. adam was at the forefront of this when pressing for the first goal. with a better final ball we could easily have been two or three up at half time.

the team against man city will be interesting. personally i'd keep the same eleven. why change it?

[maguskwt]

have to say fair play to kenny yesterday regarding the team selection and the substitutions. got it spot on. bellamy and maxi give us far better movement both on and off the ball. maxi may drift in and out off games but he's basically averaging a goal every other game when he's started in 2011. he also has a great understanding with suarez.

we also got our pressing game back, especially in the first half when we were excellent imo. adam was at the forefront of this when pressing for the first goal. with a better final ball we could easily have been two or three up at half time.

the team against man city will be interesting. personally i'd keep the same eleven. why change it?

Totally agree...