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[Benny The Noon]

I agree - he acts and talks like a manc.

I may not agree with a lot of stuff Kewell spouts but he is a Liverpool fan - Worcester Red isn't a Liverpool red .

You've been quiet Benny!

What is there to say ? Igor has summed up my feelings .

Some of the things I have read on here are disgraceful and just mirror exactly what Ferguson said .

[worcester_red]

I agree - he acts and talks like a manc.

I may not agree with a lot of stuff Kewell spouts but he is a Liverpool fan - Worcester Red isn't a Liverpool red .

You've been quiet Benny!

What is there to say ? Igor has summed up my feelings .

Some of the things I have read on here are disgraceful and just mirror exactly what Ferguson said .

what in particular?

[red till i die!!]

we need to get back to business and restore things on the pitch.
kenny needs to wedge his boot up some players holes and get more out of them than they are currently giving this club.
we are a football club and a great one at that and we need to start performing like it.

[stmichael]

i still can't get my head around why gerrard was playing so deep again the other day. it's a complete and utter waste.

[red till i die!!]

i still can't get my head around why gerrard was playing so deep again the other day. it's a complete and utter waste.

agree.
i think he had to cover spearing as he was out of his depth.adam would have been the better option to partner gerrard and probably would have put the skids on scholes in the process.

[stmichael]

i still can't get my head around why gerrard was playing so deep again the other day. it's a complete and utter waste.

agree.
i think he had to cover spearing as he was out of his depth.adam would have been the better option to partner gerrard and probably would have put the skids on scholes in the process.

the midfield was poor full stop. we made scholes and carrick look like xavi and iniesta.

[red till i die!!]

yeah its sad that a player can come out of retirement and run us ragged and pull all the strings.he was quality in his heyday but should have been targeted by us and made chase the ball till he fell over.
carrick,the less said about him the better.
between scholes and giggs they made us look like amateurs that were wet behind the ears and the worst thing is that they have a combined age of almost 80.
we need to secure the services of much better players in the next window.

[Thommo's perm]

yeah its sad that a player can come out of retirement and run us ragged and pull all the strings.he was quality in his heyday but should have been targeted by us and made chase the ball till he fell over.
carrick,the less said about him the better.
between scholes and giggs they made us look like amateurs that were wet behind the ears and the worst thing is that they have a combined age of almost 80.
we need to secure the services of much better players in the next window.

I would just remind people that they scraped a 2-1 victory at home and were holding on at the end.
They were overjoyed because if we had played slightly better we could have at least got a point. If we would have played our strongest team at the begining instead of at the end we would have won. And they knew it

[red till i die!!]

I would just remind people that they scraped a 2-1 victory at home and were holding on at the end.
They were overjoyed because if we had played slightly better we could have at least got a point. If we would have played our strongest team at the begining instead of at the end we would have won. And they knew it

should have,could have and maybe we would have but we didnt and thats has been the story of our season.

i agree old toilet is a tough place to get a win but we have done it before but this time we bottled it and again wrong team selection from the off.
they came out firing at the start of the second half and albeit they had some fortune with the flick on from henderson and spearing gifting valencia possession.both of those players got swallowed up by the atmosphere and the pressure and were non existent for most of it.

its an all too familiar pattern thommo and its because we seriously lack that killer edge and commitment from some players.

[Thommo's perm]

I would just remind people that they scraped a 2-1 victory at home and were holding on at the end.
They were overjoyed because if we had played slightly better we could have at least got a point. If we would have played our strongest team at the begining instead of at the end we would have won. And they knew it

should have,could have and maybe we would have but we didnt and thats has been the story of our season.

i agree old toilet is a tough place to get a win but we have done it before but this time we bottled it and again wrong team selection from the off.
they came out firing at the start of the second half and albeit they had some fortune with the flick on from henderson and spearing gifting valencia possession.both of those players got swallowed up by the atmosphere and the pressure and were non existent for most of it.

its an all too familiar pattern thommo and its because we seriously lack that killer edge and commitment from some players.

Absolutely. My heart sank when I saw the team, and not just because of the handshake. KK MUST learn sooner rather than later who he can rely on and who he cant.
But as I say, they were there for the taking

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

I would just remind people that they scraped a 2-1 victory at home and were holding on at the end.
They were overjoyed because if we had played slightly better we could have at least got a point. If we would have played our strongest team at the begining instead of at the end we would have won. And they knew it

should have,could have and maybe we would have but we didnt and thats has been the story of our season.

i agree old toilet is a tough place to get a win but we have done it before but this time we bottled it and again wrong team selection from the off.
they came out firing at the start of the second half and albeit they had some fortune with the flick on from henderson and spearing gifting valencia possession.both of those players got swallowed up by the atmosphere and the pressure and were non existent for most of it.

its an all too familiar pattern thommo and its because we seriously lack that killer edge and commitment from some players.

Absolutely. My heart sank when I saw the team, and not just because of the handshake. KK MUST learn sooner rather than later who he can rely on and who he cant.
But as I say, they were there for the taking

i think the world of kenny but he must be the only manager on the planet who wouldnt have started with carroll given his recent form and the way their keeper is under the high ball.

[red till i die!!]

kenny has to start putting the boot into them and if he hasnt learned his strongest team by now he never will.
this season has been amazing for us in terms of player fitness and we have a full squad (with the exception of gerrard for a while) available for most matches so he doesnt have much excuse there.
what he is guilty of is his persistence with some of his signings and his alienation of others.
im not a big fan of maxi and i dont think he is the answer but he has to be crushed looking at certain players starting every week when they dont deserve it.
last year we were playing much better because of competion for places and the desire to impress but that has disapeared this season.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

kenny has to start putting the boot into them and if he hasnt learned his strongest team by now he never will.
this season has been amazing for us in terms of player fitness and we have a full squad (with the exception of gerrard for a while) available for most matches so he doesnt have much excuse there.
what he is guilty of is his persistence with some of his signings and his alienation of others.
im not a big fan of maxi and i dont think he is the answer but he has to be crushed looking at certain players starting every week when they dont deserve it.
last year we were playing much better because of competion for places and the desire to impress but that has disapeared this season.

kuyt pops up with a few goals but sometimes his general play is woeful, against spurs he broke up more of our attacks than scott parker, kuyt was the best defensive player on the pitch, but for the opposition.
imo it`s time to f##k all this containing teams malarky and start playing the likes of suarez, bellamy, carroll and gerrard in the same team and let the opposition worry about us.

[Kerry07]

Absolutely. My heart sank when I saw the team, and not just because of the handshake. KK MUST learn sooner rather than later who he can rely on and who he cant.
But as I say, they were there for the taking

there for the taking? We were a 4 to 1 shot.

And why did your heart sink? Is it because u thought thats the best we've got?

Who else could we have chosen that would have made us better? Midfield especially. There isn't anyone. When i saw the teamsheet i thought thats not far off our most talented XI (bar Lucas for Spearing, Maxi for Kuyt). We lost to a team that has better players than us.

With the exception of Gerrard, who do we have in midfield...

--Downing --- Adam --- Spearing --- Henderson -- Kuyt

Does anyone seriously expect this ilk to overcome quality teams? When is the last time any of these five were man of the match in a game? The problem is these five are squad player level not first teamers (time will tell with Henderson).

I have been critical of Kenny in three or four games (mainly the negativity at home, such as against Spurs when he took off two forwards and kept spearing on the field)... but against man u there wasnt a great deal he could have done. They have, in Scholes, a player who can dictate central midfield. We have not had that player since Alonso. And just incase anyone brings up Gerrard and central midfield again, he is not now, not ever, a central midfielder... confirmed when Didi Hamann on a 2 hour interview on talksport stated that is not Gerrards best position (also stated why he was confident he would start the 2005 CL final rather than stevie being played in the center which occured, as rafa never picked him in the center in big games). Spearing, Adam, Henderson.. this ilk at Old Toilet aint going to cut the mustard. Scholes, and even Carrick, dictated the play in midfield, were far more penetrating. Scholes was even better at Anfield but they didnt have Rooney, Nani that day to capatilise on the midfield control.

The defence is rock solid, as is the goalkeeper, then Steven and Suarez... so thats 7 of the 11 that are sorted. Its the other 4 positions where we are massively weak. The other 4 could quite easily line up for a Blackburn or a Bolton. You can picture Spearing in a Sheffield Wednesday shirt, and obviously Adam, Henderson, Downing in a Blackpool, Sunderland and Villa strip. The number one area of weakness is central midfield, it is too average to compete against the very best.

Kenny has to look abroad for top quality midfield reinforcements. One good thing is he is saved of strengthening one position as Sterling will soon start appearing on the left

[devaney]

Kerry - Given the performances of Spearing Downing and Henderson. I would have gone 4 4 2 and played Bellamy Maxi and Carroll which is what I said before the game. Carroll and Bellamy have been very useful recently but they have to start games to be effective. I'd play my old Granny before Downing and that's were Maxi comes into the equation. I know he hasn't been great this season.

The midfield is clearly a major problem.I'm afraid Downing is right at the top of my list for shipping out. If we got £10m we would be doing well. Just how many midfield c.ock ups are we going to make. We sell Alonso and fail to secure his chosen replacement. Cole on a free and largely ineffective. Aquilani £20m and for reasons best known to Rafa and Hodgson it didn't work out. Poulsen was simply not capable of playing in the Premiership let alone LFC. Mereiles was useful so we sell him. Maxi was doing ok so we ignore him! Rierra started really well and then things started to go down hill - why? Henderson in my opinion is not good enough at this level and I'm not sure he ever will be.Spearing is of the same ilk. Adam is ok but nothing outstanding. Jovanovic was very disappointing. Mascherano we couldn't keep him due to inept owners and management! Zenden,Pennant and Benayoun all left more than just a bit to be desired! SORRY BUT THAT MAKES AWFUL READING. To think some people call us a work in progress. Souness Barnes Whelan Heighway Hall Lee to name but a few were the players that could make a difference. I hate to say it but I now think we have a midfield that is possibly the worst it has ever been.