Liverpool FC Forum

[RedAnt]

...Hendo ,Carrol ,Downing and Adam are a season no show and no added value...

Again...if Downing and Hendo knew how to beat the first man when crossing, or Adam had more to his game than his passing and vision, Carroll would have been a much greater success.

[Kerry07]

Our midfield five (bar Gerrard) screams average. As is pretty obvious, of our front six only Gerrard and Suarez are good enough. Not overly bothered about the result today as the expectation was low.

Jay Spearing is a Steven Warnock...an average player from the academy. We would never actually buy him. When he leaves he will end up playing for a Sheffield Wednesday. Henderson has done some ok stuff in previous games, but whatever fee we paid for him was a farce. He doesnt look anywhere near top 4 standard. Downing looks scared shitless, hes got more than hes showing us. Dirk Kuyt still being played right midfield is scraping the barrel. I cant fault his effort, but when Dirk didnt cut it as a striker that should have been the end of him. I didnt see us shifting Cisse out there, or Heskey. The right flank is a write off.

Average players get average results. We are four top players short. The midfield needs ripped up..look to Spain as there is nothing in England.

[7_Kewell]

As i've said, many times, Kenny has transformed us into the Newcastle team he mangaed in the late 90s.

We've spent big money on average players and employ predictable, one dimensional tactics. Mid table finish with a league cup...that'll be our season and it's not good enough.

I stand by my comments from the summer...we need a top 4 finish or Kenny has to go.

[Kerry07]

As i've said, many times, Kenny has transformed us into the Newcastle team he mangaed in the late 90s.

We've spent big money on average players and employ predictable, one dimensional tactics. Mid table finish with a league cup...that'll be our season and it's not good enough.

I stand by my comments from the summer...we need a top 4 finish or Kenny has to go.

I think Kenny will get one more season.

But if you asked me right now what i would want, i would be doing everything to get the man who would guarantee us the Premiership title. A certain Portuguese, who has made it clear to a journalist friend of his that Liverpool is the club that appeals most.

Porto.. nothing in Europe in 2 decades, wins UEFA and CL
Chelsea.. no league title in 50 years, wins it twice
Inter.. no CL in 40 years, wins CL in a treble
Madrid.. mission impossible against arguably the best club team ever.. 7 points clear

Liverpool... no league title in over 20 years.. (fill in the blanks)

Achieving with Liverpool stands out more than any other prospective club.

[alwayslfc]

I love Kenny and will always do because of what he has achieved as a player and his first spell in management. It was a sad day to Liverpool when he abruptly quit in Feb '91 due to nervous breakdown when we were still top of the league.

The notion that in management, "You should never go back" seems to be proven correct again. Let's be blunt, we deserve to finish 7th again this season. I don't agree that we're a Work In Progress. It 's just a lame excuse. Kenny doesn't seem to have what it takes to win PL anymore. My reason for that is, look at Mourinho on his first season at Chelsea. He just did it job and won the PL 2 times in a row and Chelsea were never regarded as a WIP.

I will accept whatever decision the owners will make regarding Kenyy's future after May. If they keep him, I'll be happy because he has always been my hero. If he quits/fired, I wouldn't mind much either if we can find a better replacement and also because he has already done his part in steering the ship after the H & G and Hodgson saga. To me, he will always and forever be the King of the Kop.

[only me]

Now i get Kenny's method it's pretty simple ,count on Chelsea and Arsenal to Fck it up. 

[RedSi35]

Spearing, Henderson, Downing, Kuyt playing the majority of our games

There is our problem, simple as. Gerrard can no longer carry them

About as creative as a brown paper bag, no invention, not enough energy, all pace.

[mart]

Now i get Kenny's method it's pretty simple ,count on Chelsea and Arsenal to Fck it up. 

Its working

[Octsky]

I love Kenny and will always do because of what he has achieved as a player and his first spell in management. It was a sad day to Liverpool when he abruptly quit in Feb '91 due to nervous breakdown when we were still top of the league.

The notion that in management, "You should never go back" seems to be proven correct again. Let's be blunt, we deserve to finish 7th again this season. I don't agree that we're a Work In Progress. It 's just a lame excuse. Kenny doesn't seem to have what it takes to win PL anymore. My reason for that is, look at Mourinho on his first season at Chelsea. He just did it job and won the PL 2 times in a row and Chelsea were never regarded as a WIP.

I will accept whatever decision the owners will make regarding Kenyy's future after May. If they keep him, I'll be happy because he has always been my hero. If he quits/fired, I wouldn't mind much either if we can find a better replacement and also because he has already done his part in steering the ship after the H & G and Hodgson saga. To me, he will always and forever be the King of the Kop.

why so serious??
we did lose to the top team in the league right?
at point of writing, chelsea lost. we are 4 pts behind gunners and
get to play them next wk.
we got a final to look forward to, so it aint so bad compared to last
wk when we raped manchester twice. nothing really changed.

[worcester_red]

I think Kenny will be gone in the summer and we should push the boat out to get Maureen, OR get Rafa back in again. Give him some decent money and I reckon he can deliver us the league.

[alwayslfc]

I love Kenny and will always do because of what he has achieved as a player and his first spell in management. It was a sad day to Liverpool when he abruptly quit in Feb '91 due to nervous breakdown when we were still top of the league.

The notion that in management, "You should never go back" seems to be proven correct again. Let's be blunt, we deserve to finish 7th again this season. I don't agree that we're a Work In Progress. It 's just a lame excuse. Kenny doesn't seem to have what it takes to win PL anymore. My reason for that is, look at Mourinho on his first season at Chelsea. He just did it job and won the PL 2 times in a row and Chelsea were never regarded as a WIP.

I will accept whatever decision the owners will make regarding Kenyy's future after May. If they keep him, I'll be happy because he has always been my hero. If he quits/fired, I wouldn't mind much either if we can find a better replacement and also because he has already done his part in steering the ship after the H & G and Hodgson saga. To me, he will always and forever be the King of the Kop.

why so serious??
we did lose to the top team in the league right?
at point of writing, chelsea lost. we are 4 pts behind gunners and
get to play them next wk.
we got a final to look forward to, so it aint so bad compared to last
wk when we raped manchester twice. nothing really changed.

[quote]

Thanks mate for your consolation and optimism. Chelsea lost to our neighbours but Arsenal won and let's hope Spurs will beat Newcastle.

[The_Rock]

KK isn't helping himself with awful tactics. He has to buck up.

When he took over last season...the team was so motivated. What the f**k has happened this season ?

Anyway....for his sake, i hope he picks bellamy or maxi for the left wing position for now on. He has to stop picking downing.

[red till i die!!]

that reporter from sky is a but kenny didnt handle him well at all and he ended up looking a right kunt.
its sad that the media are constantly allowed to ask those type of questions to provoke a reaction and kenny was foolish for giving it to him.
besides that the game today was cack and we were well outclassed by them.
his faith in henderson,downing,kuyt and spearing is worrying as they arent good enough to play for us.all of them were far short again of the quality needed to play here and should be shown the door before he is for bringing them here in the first place.

[metalhead]

Liverpool's Kenny Dalglish plays dumb to leave his dignity in tatters

Outraged by everything and ashamed of nothing, Kenny Dalglish's response over Luis Suárez sums up the paranoia enveloping Liverpool


Daniel Taylor at Old Trafford

guardian.co.uk, Saturday 11 February 2012 18.30 GMT



In the end, it was difficult to know what was the more depressing and shocking: that moment when Luis Suárez walked past Patrice Evra, refused to shake his hand and reminded us this is a man whose brains are all in his feet, or afterwards when Kenny Dalglish tried to stare down the questions before coming up with a response that was so outlandishly flawed it made you wonder where he was storing all the qualities which we once associated with him?

What Suárez did was callous, premeditated and dimwitted to the point that, if Liverpool had any sense, they would have condemned it on the spot and at least salvaged a semblance of dignity. Instead, they reverted to their default setting whenever Suárez comes under scrutiny: this half-baked conspiracy that everyone is against them and that the only way to combat this is to go on the attack themselves. Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Perhaps we should be used to it by now but it was still shocking to see Dalglish, one of the giants of our game, eyeballing his interviewer and tell him that it was "bang out of order" to suggest that Suárez had done anything even remotely wrong.

At least Sir Alex Ferguson, so aggrieved he said Suárez should never be allowed to wear Liverpool's colours again, could step out of his own anger to acknowledge that Patrice Evra should have resisted his post-match victory dance.

This was the moment when Dalglish should have taken a deep breath and admitted that, yes, it was wrong of Suárez, unhelpful and immature, and he would be pointing this out to his player. Instead, he played dumb. He had no idea what had happened in the fair-play handshake and, in the absence of a polygraph, Robert De Niro would have been proud of his dramatic pose.

Then he realised the questions were not going to end there and it was here the paranoia, the blind bias and pigheaded denials all merged into one.

At one point he switched the subject to blame Sky. "When we had the FA Cup tie, because there was no 24-hour news channel, nothing happened." He cited the fact there were only two bookings in this game, ignoring that there were two separate flash points when police and fluorescent-jacketed security guards had to separate the players. Most pathetically of all, there were suggestions later on it was actually Evra who withdrew his hand. It was claptrap and, wisely, nobody from Anfield dared say it on the record.

Perhaps Suárez felt he had to corroborate the line that he has peddled all along, namely that it was all a bunch of spiteful lies on Evra's behalf. Plainly, he still maintains that calling someone "negro" during an argument is fine for a Spanish speaker, even if one of the best QCs in the country had deemed parts of his defence were "unsustainable and simply incredible". It is difficult, to be honest, to know what was going on between his ears.

"I couldn't believe it," Ferguson said. "I just could not believe it. We had a chat this morning and Patrice said: 'I'm going to shake his hand, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I'm going to keep my dignity.' And he [Suárez] refuses. The history that club has got … and he does that. It could have caused a riot. I was really disappointed in that guy."

Evra had grabbed Suárez's arm to remonstrate but it was just as quickly pulled it away again. Rio Ferdinand looked at Suárez with contempt. "I lost all respect for the guy," Ferdinand said later. "After seeing what he did, I decided I couldn't shake his hand." From Danny Welbeck, there was only the briefest touch of flesh on flesh. These players had agonised this week about whether they should conform and, in the end, they decided they had to do it because the alternative would be that they kept the racism issue going. "The referee didn't know what to do," Ferguson said. "It was a terrible start to the game, a terrible atmosphere it created."

Ferguson had written in his programme notes that his "biggest regret is the way Patrice has been castigated in some quarters for standing up to racism". Now he let it all out. "For a club with their history, I'd get rid of him, I really would," he said. "Liverpool Football Club have a player banned for eight matches, and they've tried to blame Patrice Evra? It's him they should be bloody blaming. He could have cost them a European place. He is a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club. That player should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again."

When the dust settles Evra may reflect it was silly to celebrate so provocatively at the end but, by that stage, he was probably entitled to a little triumphalism. He has been abused, demonised, booed and jeered since reporting Suárez to the referee at Anfield last October. Here was his chance to indulge in some schadenfreude and he took it, celebrating as though this were the last football match of his life.

He had been wrong, as well, to hunt out Suárez at half-time but, for those of us in the press box, the abiding memory of that point was the clutch of former Liverpool players stood around, shaking their heads and concluding with a mixture of embarrassment and horror that Dalglish would have to remove Suárez.

It had become clear very quickly that the Uruguayan was dangerously wound up but, seriously, was there any realistic prospect Dalglish would withdraw him? As far as the Scot is concerned, Suárez is beyond reproach. That, quite possibly, is the most alarming thing of all.

Source

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Here we go!

[RedAnt]

Liverpool's Kenny Dalglish plays dumb to leave his dignity in tatters

Outraged by everything and ashamed of nothing, Kenny Dalglish's response over Luis Suárez sums up the paranoia enveloping Liverpool


Daniel Taylor at Old Trafford

guardian.co.uk, Saturday 11 February 2012 18.30 GMT



In the end, it was difficult to know what was the more depressing and shocking: that moment when Luis Suárez walked past Patrice Evra, refused to shake his hand and reminded us this is a man whose brains are all in his feet, or afterwards when Kenny Dalglish tried to stare down the questions before coming up with a response that was so outlandishly flawed it made you wonder where he was storing all the qualities which we once associated with him?

What Suárez did was callous, premeditated and dimwitted to the point that, if Liverpool had any sense, they would have condemned it on the spot and at least salvaged a semblance of dignity. Instead, they reverted to their default setting whenever Suárez comes under scrutiny: this half-baked conspiracy that everyone is against them and that the only way to combat this is to go on the attack themselves. Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing.

Perhaps we should be used to it by now but it was still shocking to see Dalglish, one of the giants of our game, eyeballing his interviewer and tell him that it was "bang out of order" to suggest that Suárez had done anything even remotely wrong.

At least Sir Alex Ferguson, so aggrieved he said Suárez should never be allowed to wear Liverpool's colours again, could step out of his own anger to acknowledge that Patrice Evra should have resisted his post-match victory dance.

This was the moment when Dalglish should have taken a deep breath and admitted that, yes, it was wrong of Suárez, unhelpful and immature, and he would be pointing this out to his player. Instead, he played dumb. He had no idea what had happened in the fair-play handshake and, in the absence of a polygraph, Robert De Niro would have been proud of his dramatic pose.

Then he realised the questions were not going to end there and it was here the paranoia, the blind bias and pigheaded denials all merged into one.

At one point he switched the subject to blame Sky. "When we had the FA Cup tie, because there was no 24-hour news channel, nothing happened." He cited the fact there were only two bookings in this game, ignoring that there were two separate flash points when police and fluorescent-jacketed security guards had to separate the players. Most pathetically of all, there were suggestions later on it was actually Evra who withdrew his hand. It was claptrap and, wisely, nobody from Anfield dared say it on the record.

Perhaps Suárez felt he had to corroborate the line that he has peddled all along, namely that it was all a bunch of spiteful lies on Evra's behalf. Plainly, he still maintains that calling someone "negro" during an argument is fine for a Spanish speaker, even if one of the best QCs in the country had deemed parts of his defence were "unsustainable and simply incredible". It is difficult, to be honest, to know what was going on between his ears.

"I couldn't believe it," Ferguson said. "I just could not believe it. We had a chat this morning and Patrice said: 'I'm going to shake his hand, I have nothing to be ashamed of, I'm going to keep my dignity.' And he [Suárez] refuses. The history that club has got … and he does that. It could have caused a riot. I was really disappointed in that guy."

Evra had grabbed Suárez's arm to remonstrate but it was just as quickly pulled it away again. Rio Ferdinand looked at Suárez with contempt. "I lost all respect for the guy," Ferdinand said later. "After seeing what he did, I decided I couldn't shake his hand." From Danny Welbeck, there was only the briefest touch of flesh on flesh. These players had agonised this week about whether they should conform and, in the end, they decided they had to do it because the alternative would be that they kept the racism issue going. "The referee didn't know what to do," Ferguson said. "It was a terrible start to the game, a terrible atmosphere it created."

Ferguson had written in his programme notes that his "biggest regret is the way Patrice has been castigated in some quarters for standing up to racism". Now he let it all out. "For a club with their history, I'd get rid of him, I really would," he said. "Liverpool Football Club have a player banned for eight matches, and they've tried to blame Patrice Evra? It's him they should be bloody blaming. He could have cost them a European place. He is a disgrace to Liverpool Football Club. That player should not be allowed to play for Liverpool again."

When the dust settles Evra may reflect it was silly to celebrate so provocatively at the end but, by that stage, he was probably entitled to a little triumphalism. He has been abused, demonised, booed and jeered since reporting Suárez to the referee at Anfield last October. Here was his chance to indulge in some schadenfreude and he took it, celebrating as though this were the last football match of his life.

He had been wrong, as well, to hunt out Suárez at half-time but, for those of us in the press box, the abiding memory of that point was the clutch of former Liverpool players stood around, shaking their heads and concluding with a mixture of embarrassment and horror that Dalglish would have to remove Suárez.

It had become clear very quickly that the Uruguayan was dangerously wound up but, seriously, was there any realistic prospect Dalglish would withdraw him? As far as the Scot is concerned, Suárez is beyond reproach. That, quite possibly, is the most alarming thing of all.

Source

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Here we go!

A wonderfully biased report, with views from several Manchester United players, and that claims the reporters views as fact rather than opinion.

God Bless Our Press!