Penguins wrote:And plz remember that MSI makes the decisions and not Masch. So it doesn't matter what Masch thinks one way or the other. If Manure, Chelski etc bid £30m and we bid £20m he will not play for us anymore. It's very simple to me.
Penguins wrote:Sigh, some Liverpool fans really are naive and think the world evolve around the club.
You really think that just cause Masch might want to stay he'll refuse every other club in the world even if MSI who owns him want him to move to a different club?
He is not a Liverpool player in 12 months time!
Liverpool will not own his registration or own him and will have no connection with him at all.
Get that through your head!
Penguins wrote:So you honestly think if Manure and Chelski bid £30m Masch would tell Kia to jump and insist on a £20m move to Liverpool?
Not going to happen.
1st of all Tevez for example will be at United and if Kia who own both players tries to persuade masch how good it would be if those 2 would play again together. Then there is Tevez who will try and tell his friend masch how great it is at utd.
kia will kindly but bluntly tell masch that Liverpool has not bid enough and Liverpool has no say whatsoever where he goes.
Liverpool will not be an option and we can't keep him cause we will not own his registration or the right to the player.
Very naive to think just cause he played a season for Liverpool he would tell Kia and tevez to go to **** and refuse to go any other place. It's MSI who totally and fully owns the player and has actually more influence on the player than a club would have.
It's not like Cissé who we had to sell cause we didn't want him and his contract was running down. And Cissé could just force liverpool to sell him to Marseille.
Masch has no number of years to his contracts with MSI!
He is owned completely and MSI has no need to sell or are forced to sell cause they have all the time in the world.
Like Tevez has told the press that Kia is the person he trust the most and listens to his advice I am 100% certain that masch does the same.
Bad Bob wrote:Penguins wrote:So you honestly think if Manure and Chelski bid £30m Masch would tell Kia to jump and insist on a £20m move to Liverpool?
Not going to happen.
1st of all Tevez for example will be at United and if Kia who own both players tries to persuade masch how good it would be if those 2 would play again together. Then there is Tevez who will try and tell his friend masch how great it is at utd.
kia will kindly but bluntly tell masch that Liverpool has not bid enough and Liverpool has no say whatsoever where he goes.
Liverpool will not be an option and we can't keep him cause we will not own his registration or the right to the player.
Very naive to think just cause he played a season for Liverpool he would tell Kia and tevez to go to **** and refuse to go any other place. It's MSI who totally and fully owns the player and has actually more influence on the player than a club would have.
It's not like Cissé who we had to sell cause we didn't want him and his contract was running down. And Cissé could just force liverpool to sell him to Marseille.
Masch has no number of years to his contracts with MSI!
He is owned completely and MSI has no need to sell or are forced to sell cause they have all the time in the world.
Like Tevez has told the press that Kia is the person he trust the most and listens to his advice I am 100% certain that masch does the same.
So, you're saying that it's inconceivable that Mascherano would want to stay with us rather than go to the highest bidder? You must think him a real mercenary? Personally, I've seen nothing but gratitude and praise toward Liverpool from the lad and I think that will be a back factor when his loan period draws to a close.
As for the intricacies of his contract with KIA, I don't doubt that they have a bit more leverage than the average club but, come on, are they really going to present one of their prized assets with such a stark ultimatum? If their relationship is as good as you imply then they will be prepared to listen to the players wishes. It may require us to pay a bit more to keep the lad then we had hoped but, if he wants to stay, I think it can be worked out that he will say. I'll say it again, he's under contract but he's not a slave and KIA, I'm sure, will not be permitted to treat him as such.
Bad Bob wrote:Penguins wrote:So you honestly think if Manure and Chelski bid £30m Masch would tell Kia to jump and insist on a £20m move to Liverpool?
Not going to happen.
1st of all Tevez for example will be at United and if Kia who own both players tries to persuade masch how good it would be if those 2 would play again together. Then there is Tevez who will try and tell his friend masch how great it is at utd.
kia will kindly but bluntly tell masch that Liverpool has not bid enough and Liverpool has no say whatsoever where he goes.
Liverpool will not be an option and we can't keep him cause we will not own his registration or the right to the player.
Very naive to think just cause he played a season for Liverpool he would tell Kia and tevez to go to **** and refuse to go any other place. It's MSI who totally and fully owns the player and has actually more influence on the player than a club would have.
It's not like Cissé who we had to sell cause we didn't want him and his contract was running down. And Cissé could just force liverpool to sell him to Marseille.
Masch has no number of years to his contracts with MSI!
He is owned completely and MSI has no need to sell or are forced to sell cause they have all the time in the world.
Like Tevez has told the press that Kia is the person he trust the most and listens to his advice I am 100% certain that masch does the same.
So, you're saying that it's inconceivable that Mascherano would want to stay with us rather than go to the highest bidder? You must think him a real mercenary? Personally, I've seen nothing but gratitude and praise toward Liverpool from the lad and I think that will be a back factor when his loan period draws to a close.
As for the intricacies of his contract with KIA, I don't doubt that they have a bit more leverage than the average club but, come on, are they really going to present one of their prized assets with such a stark ultimatum? If their relationship is as good as you imply then they will be prepared to listen to the players wishes. It may require us to pay a bit more to keep the lad then we had hoped but, if he wants to stay, I think it can be worked out that he will say. I'll say it again, he's under contract but he's not a slave and KIA, I'm sure, will not be permitted to treat him as such.
Penguins wrote:Bad Bob wrote:Penguins wrote:So you honestly think if Manure and Chelski bid £30m Masch would tell Kia to jump and insist on a £20m move to Liverpool?
Not going to happen.
1st of all Tevez for example will be at United and if Kia who own both players tries to persuade masch how good it would be if those 2 would play again together. Then there is Tevez who will try and tell his friend masch how great it is at utd.
kia will kindly but bluntly tell masch that Liverpool has not bid enough and Liverpool has no say whatsoever where he goes.
Liverpool will not be an option and we can't keep him cause we will not own his registration or the right to the player.
Very naive to think just cause he played a season for Liverpool he would tell Kia and tevez to go to **** and refuse to go any other place. It's MSI who totally and fully owns the player and has actually more influence on the player than a club would have.
It's not like Cissé who we had to sell cause we didn't want him and his contract was running down. And Cissé could just force liverpool to sell him to Marseille.
Masch has no number of years to his contracts with MSI!
He is owned completely and MSI has no need to sell or are forced to sell cause they have all the time in the world.
Like Tevez has told the press that Kia is the person he trust the most and listens to his advice I am 100% certain that masch does the same.
So, you're saying that it's inconceivable that Mascherano would want to stay with us rather than go to the highest bidder? You must think him a real mercenary? Personally, I've seen nothing but gratitude and praise toward Liverpool from the lad and I think that will be a back factor when his loan period draws to a close.
As for the intricacies of his contract with KIA, I don't doubt that they have a bit more leverage than the average club but, come on, are they really going to present one of their prized assets with such a stark ultimatum? If their relationship is as good as you imply then they will be prepared to listen to the players wishes. It may require us to pay a bit more to keep the lad then we had hoped but, if he wants to stay, I think it can be worked out that he will say. I'll say it again, he's under contract but he's not a slave and KIA, I'm sure, will not be permitted to treat him as such.
And I'm saying if Manure bid £30m and we bid £20m there is no chance that MSI will bend to Masch's wishes if it means a difference of £10m.
Masch is not a Liverpool player. He is on loan from MSI who owns him and has all through his carreer decided that he should move from River to Corinthians and then to WH just like Tevez.
That tells me both trust Kia's judgement and that what MSI says goes. It's not about putting a stark ultimatum on Masch.
So far Masch has signed a life long deal with MSI which means they decide where he goes. There is just no way MSI will just say:
"Yes, Masch just cause you have played a season at Liverpool and like it we will take a 10m loss on our investment in you"
DREAM ON!
If on the other hand the bids might come close then I could see masch's wishes make a difference.
But if we haven't agreed a set price and Chelski, Manure, Inter etc bid £30m it's either we cough up the money or we loose the player. Sure if we bid £29m it could make a difference but it's not like masch will go on a strike and refuse every other big club in the world.
So very naive
Penguins wrote:Bad Bob wrote:Penguins wrote:So you honestly think if Manure and Chelski bid £30m Masch would tell Kia to jump and insist on a £20m move to Liverpool?
Not going to happen.
1st of all Tevez for example will be at United and if Kia who own both players tries to persuade masch how good it would be if those 2 would play again together. Then there is Tevez who will try and tell his friend masch how great it is at utd.
kia will kindly but bluntly tell masch that Liverpool has not bid enough and Liverpool has no say whatsoever where he goes.
Liverpool will not be an option and we can't keep him cause we will not own his registration or the right to the player.
Very naive to think just cause he played a season for Liverpool he would tell Kia and tevez to go to **** and refuse to go any other place. It's MSI who totally and fully owns the player and has actually more influence on the player than a club would have.
It's not like Cissé who we had to sell cause we didn't want him and his contract was running down. And Cissé could just force liverpool to sell him to Marseille.
Masch has no number of years to his contracts with MSI!
He is owned completely and MSI has no need to sell or are forced to sell cause they have all the time in the world.
Like Tevez has told the press that Kia is the person he trust the most and listens to his advice I am 100% certain that masch does the same.
So, you're saying that it's inconceivable that Mascherano would want to stay with us rather than go to the highest bidder? You must think him a real mercenary? Personally, I've seen nothing but gratitude and praise toward Liverpool from the lad and I think that will be a back factor when his loan period draws to a close.
As for the intricacies of his contract with KIA, I don't doubt that they have a bit more leverage than the average club but, come on, are they really going to present one of their prized assets with such a stark ultimatum? If their relationship is as good as you imply then they will be prepared to listen to the players wishes. It may require us to pay a bit more to keep the lad then we had hoped but, if he wants to stay, I think it can be worked out that he will say. I'll say it again, he's under contract but he's not a slave and KIA, I'm sure, will not be permitted to treat him as such.
And I'm saying if Manure bid £30m and we bid £20m there is no chance that MSI will bend to Masch's wishes if it means a difference of £10m.
Masch is not a Liverpool player. He is on loan from MSI who owns him and has all through his carreer decided that he should move from River to Corinthians and then to WH just like Tevez.
That tells me both trust Kia's judgement and that what MSI says goes. It's not about putting a stark ultimatum on Masch.
So far Masch has signed a life long deal with MSI which means they decide where he goes. There is just no way MSI will just say:
"Yes, Masch just cause you have played a season at Liverpool and like it we will take a 10m loss on our investment in you"
DREAM ON!
If on the other hand the bids might come close then I could see masch's wishes make a difference.
But if we haven't agreed a set price and Chelski, Manure, Inter etc bid £30m it's either we cough up the money or we loose the player. Sure if we bid £29m it could make a difference but it's not like masch will go on a strike and refuse every other big club in the world.
So very naive
Penguins wrote:Bad Bob wrote:Penguins wrote:So you honestly think if Manure and Chelski bid £30m Masch would tell Kia to jump and insist on a £20m move to Liverpool?
Not going to happen.
1st of all Tevez for example will be at United and if Kia who own both players tries to persuade masch how good it would be if those 2 would play again together. Then there is Tevez who will try and tell his friend masch how great it is at utd.
kia will kindly but bluntly tell masch that Liverpool has not bid enough and Liverpool has no say whatsoever where he goes.
Liverpool will not be an option and we can't keep him cause we will not own his registration or the right to the player.
Very naive to think just cause he played a season for Liverpool he would tell Kia and tevez to go to **** and refuse to go any other place. It's MSI who totally and fully owns the player and has actually more influence on the player than a club would have.
It's not like Cissé who we had to sell cause we didn't want him and his contract was running down. And Cissé could just force liverpool to sell him to Marseille.
Masch has no number of years to his contracts with MSI!
He is owned completely and MSI has no need to sell or are forced to sell cause they have all the time in the world.
Like Tevez has told the press that Kia is the person he trust the most and listens to his advice I am 100% certain that masch does the same.
So, you're saying that it's inconceivable that Mascherano would want to stay with us rather than go to the highest bidder? You must think him a real mercenary? Personally, I've seen nothing but gratitude and praise toward Liverpool from the lad and I think that will be a back factor when his loan period draws to a close.
As for the intricacies of his contract with KIA, I don't doubt that they have a bit more leverage than the average club but, come on, are they really going to present one of their prized assets with such a stark ultimatum? If their relationship is as good as you imply then they will be prepared to listen to the players wishes. It may require us to pay a bit more to keep the lad then we had hoped but, if he wants to stay, I think it can be worked out that he will say. I'll say it again, he's under contract but he's not a slave and KIA, I'm sure, will not be permitted to treat him as such.
And I'm saying if Manure bid £30m and we bid £20m there is no chance that MSI will bend to Masch's wishes if it means a difference of £10m.
Masch is not a Liverpool player. He is on loan from MSI who owns him and has all through his carreer decided that he should move from River to Corinthians and then to WH just like Tevez.
That tells me both trust Kia's judgement and that what MSI says goes. It's not about putting a stark ultimatum on Masch.
So far Masch has signed a life long deal with MSI which means they decide where he goes. There is just no way MSI will just say:
"Yes, Masch just cause you have played a season at Liverpool and like it we will take a 10m loss on our investment in you"
DREAM ON!
If on the other hand the bids might come close then I could see masch's wishes make a difference.
But if we haven't agreed a set price and Chelski, Manure, Inter etc bid £30m it's either we cough up the money or we loose the player. Sure if we bid £29m it could make a difference but it's not like masch will go on a strike and refuse every other big club in the world.
So very naive
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