Liverpool FC Forum

[ethanr]

About signing Everton players....
Baines is decent and Arteta would be great but they would never sell him, especially not to us.

Micah Richards would be a great signing, probably for CB as Kelley is looking decent, especially if we keep playing him as much as we do.

Lots of negative thoughts on Suarez.. I have to disagree tho.  The only player to come close with the amount of goals Suarez scored last year was Van Nist.  He is considered one of the worlds best and I would love to have somebody of that nature at pool.  People say he goes down easy, but never to ruin an opportunity.  I've watched so many videos of him and when you watch, with many of the goals he scored he dribbles past a few defenders or sneaks in past them.  you can see so many times where he could have easily gone down and most likely won a pen, but he doesn't even think about it and ends up finishing.

He would be a great signing, no matter how you look at it.

[crazyhorse]

Suarez is a non starter for me and the kind of player that can give you problems on and off the pitch plus its a lot of money to spend on a player who may not settle or suit the Premiership.

Id try and get an established Premiership forward like Defoe or Van Persie.  A pipe dream I know so maybe we look in the Championship fora foward who can step up and make a difference in this team.

Whats really frustrating is that in Joe Cole we have a wonderfully gifted player who has yet to produce at Liverpool.

Agreed, as i often do when you post mate; nice to see it more often these days....

Suarez is a poacher type, and in my very humble opinion is not a good combination with Torres.

If we are going to get the best out of Fernando we to my mind need a forward who is capable of linking the midfield with the forward line, but in a different way to the Joe Cole/Gerrard mode. Another player up front who can get up, head it and most importantly have the ball control and strength to bring the likes of Gerrard, Cole and Torres into the game in the right areas, where we can hurt defences. This is for me what is missing and why we are not seeing the forward play we want.

And I am not talking about long ball either! but we need strength, pace... power!!!! and someone who is going to knock 10 to 15 goals a season in and be happy with a more all round contribution to the side. We cannot fill the team with players who can provide that moment of genius, and you cant have two of them up front. For instance, would you fancy a Robbie Fowler or a Rushie up front with Torres? individually fantastic but as a combination no good as a similar type of player. Thats why Robbie and Owen just did not work when on paper it looked immense. Houllier soon saw the combination did not work which is why Heskey got so much game time (and the best form of his career for a year or so).

Suarez does not fit the bill for me. We need the type of player no one really wants. We need a Carton Cole, a Carroll or failing that a Van Persie (to a lesser extent) who has the guile and power.......

We would all love the Van Persie, Defoe, or dare I say it a Rooney (or similar type of player).. but we already have one there.... how many teams can afford to have their main flair player up front? we already have Fernando.. we need someone who is capable of proving the ammunition. We need an unsung hero.... another Keegan, Toshak, even Dalglish ffs.. someone to link it up and help us KEEP THE BALL!

Suarez by all accounts is a diving, egotistical loon. I do not want a player like him littering up our special club.

Believe me, Kenny will find someone. And no matter who it is he will bring him on and improve him. Dont be surprised to see a shock signing. Personally if we spend more than ten million over the next two windows I will be surprised, and if we do Kenny is far too clever to waste it on what we dont need.

[LFC2007]

Bent didnt do so well at Spurs and I just dont see him as a Liverpool player at all and certainly not at that price. If we are not going to take a chance on a players record in foreign league then all we would do is shop in Prem every window or perhaps the Championship. Keane was a disaster for us but a decent top level player at Tottenham. There are plenty doing well here from abroad and no reason why Suarez or another lad couldnt do the same, every signings a gamble.

I didn't say we shouldn't sign players based on their goalscoring record in another league (look no further than Torres), or even their goalscoring record in this league, because it never tells the whole story. It's all about ability and suitability. Suarez is a good player but I don't see that his ability justifies paying £18m. I know some have compared him to Tevez, but really the two are a class apart; maybe you could call him a poor man's Tevez as they are similar in style, but that's as far as it goes. Tevez has incredibly quick feet, ridiculous control, he can go either way at speed, he also has a strong left foot as well as right, he's robust, and he works his balls off. Looking around Europe and taking into account the state we're in, we just won't be able to attract a player of Tevez's calibre, so maybe our position forces us to pay over the odds.

[crazyhorse]

Bent didnt do so well at Spurs and I just dont see him as a Liverpool player at all and certainly not at that price. If we are not going to take a chance on a players record in foreign league then all we would do is shop in Prem every window or perhaps the Championship. Keane was a disaster for us but a decent top level player at Tottenham. There are plenty doing well here from abroad and no reason why Suarez or another lad couldnt do the same, every signings a gamble.

I didn't say we shouldn't sign players based on their goalscoring record in another league (look no further than Torres), or even their goalscoring record in this league, because it never tells the whole story. It's all about ability and suitability. Suarez is a good player but I don't see that his ability justifies paying £18m. I know some have compared him to Tevez, but really the two are a class apart; maybe you could call him a poor man's Tevez as they are similar in style, but that's as far as it goes. Tevez has incredibly quick feet, ridiculous control, he can go either way at speed, he also has a strong left foot as well as right, he's robust, and he works his balls off. Looking around Europe and taking into account the state we're in, we just won't be able to attract a player of Tevez's calibre, so maybe our position forces us to pay over the odds.

Great point.... But there is only one tevez (thank god)... that bloke is a minature tank! with skill as well. I dont like his ego but there is no denying his talent.

Fergie dropped a massive clanger letting him go.

[neil]

Tevez was signed by west ham whilst the big dIcks watched on?

[lakes10]

dirty player, dont get on well with other players and has had problems with staff in the past, big risk for the asking price but if he comes here and bangs in 30+ goals i am sure i would change my mind on him lol.

not sure he will fit in with liverpool.

[red till i die!!]

Tevez was signed by west ham whilst the big dIcks watched on?

agree.west ham took a gamble on tevez and masch when i dont think anyone else even heard of them.
tevez is world class and improved every team he has played for in the prem but unfortunately he's a mercenary just like masch.

as for suarez who knows if he will be another babel or not but if bent can move for 18mil then imo suarez is at least worth that.
the theory that he's too lightweight is laughable as look at silva and modric and the ease at which they pull the strings.it doesent matter what they weigh as long as they have natural ability.suarez could have an impact similar to these players and thats what we need atm and imo def worth 18mil.

[maguskwt]

So are we getting Suarez? I thought Ajax wanted a swap deal with babel but now he's going to Hoffenheim...

[ruskiy playmaker]

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Realistic team changes for Jan transfer window IMO

                Reina

Johnson    Carra    Agger    Warnock

                Van Bommel
SWP                          Downing/Young
              Gerrard

        Suarez      Torres

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Realistic? 

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SWP
Van Bommel
Downing
Suarez

un-realistic ?
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Yes unrealistic, there's no way were getting Downing, Van Bommel and Shaun Wright Phillips.

[ruskiy playmaker]

dirty player, dont get on well with other players and has had problems with staff in the past, big risk for the asking price but if he comes here and bangs in 30+ goals i am sure i would change my mind on him lol.

not sure he will fit in with liverpool.

We could use a dirty player.  We seem to have collected too many nice guys, who like to get spanked.

[Raoul]

Everything I've read suggests Suarez isn't coming our way, but may be the paper talk is all about pushing up prices?

I'd be happy with Richards or Samba - neither are perhaps world class, but I think they'd both improve our backline. So one of them in Jan would suit me.

I see we are linked with van Bommell, but again we are not apparently favourites to land him. Not sure about him. Oviously at 33 he'd have to be cheap, but he'd bring some steel, experience and leadership. Not world class, but I guess we just have to get used to being linked with players who are good but not great!

[maguskwt]

If we're letting go Babel and now Joe Cole NESV better pull out a rabbit from the hat in the form of Suarez...

[ethanr]

Well it's interesting.  Some people are saying yes and some are saying Suarez is overrated and wouldn't do well in the prem.  These are the exact same things people said about Torres when he was first linked with Liverpool.  Look what we've gotten out of him.

[Thommo's perm]

dirty player, dont get on well with other players and has had problems with staff in the past, big risk for the asking price but if he comes here and bangs in 30+ goals i am sure i would change my mind on him lol.

not sure he will fit in with liverpool.

We could use a dirty player.  We seem to have collected too many nice guys, who like to get spanked.

Ooooh matron...
We could definitely do with someone in the mode of Hamman. Pure class
Der Kaiser!

[TarnRed]

Suarez is a non starter for me and the kind of player that can give you problems on and off the pitch plus its a lot of money to spend on a player who may not settle or suit the Premiership.

Id try and get an established Premiership forward like Defoe or Van Persie.  A pipe dream I know so maybe we look in the Championship fora foward who can step up and make a difference in this team.

Whats really frustrating is that in Joe Cole we have a wonderfully gifted player who has yet to produce at Liverpool.

Agreed, as i often do when you post mate; nice to see it more often these days....

Suarez is a poacher type, and in my very humble opinion is not a good combination with Torres.

If we are going to get the best out of Fernando we to my mind need a forward who is capable of linking the midfield with the forward line, but in a different way to the Joe Cole/Gerrard mode. Another player up front who can get up, head it and most importantly have the ball control and strength to bring the likes of Gerrard, Cole and Torres into the game in the right areas, where we can hurt defences. This is for me what is missing and why we are not seeing the forward play we want.

And I am not talking about long ball either! but we need strength, pace... power!!!! and someone who is going to knock 10 to 15 goals a season in and be happy with a more all round contribution to the side. We cannot fill the team with players who can provide that moment of genius, and you cant have two of them up front. For instance, would you fancy a Robbie Fowler or a Rushie up front with Torres? individually fantastic but as a combination no good as a similar type of player. Thats why Robbie and Owen just did not work when on paper it looked immense. Houllier soon saw the combination did not work which is why Heskey got so much game time (and the best form of his career for a year or so).

Suarez does not fit the bill for me. We need the type of player no one really wants. We need a Carton Cole, a Carroll or failing that a Van Persie (to a lesser extent) who has the guile and power.......

We would all love the Van Persie, Defoe, or dare I say it a Rooney (or similar type of player).. but we already have one there.... how many teams can afford to have their main flair player up front? we already have Fernando.. we need someone who is capable of proving the ammunition. We need an unsung hero.... another Keegan, Toshak, even Dalglish ffs.. someone to link it up and help us KEEP THE BALL!

Suarez by all accounts is a diving, egotistical loon. I do not want a player like him littering up our special club.

Believe me, Kenny will find someone. And no matter who it is he will bring him on and improve him. Dont be surprised to see a shock signing. Personally if we spend more than ten million over the next two windows I will be surprised, and if we do Kenny is far too clever to waste it on what we dont need.

Suarez a poacher type?. Yes he is an excellent poacher but he has far more than just that in his locker as I have witnessed with my own eyes over the years after seeing Ajax on Espn & Eurosport.

He can provide the link man option between midfield & attack, he has also been a success in the 433 formation that Kenny is ustilising at the moment as a left or right wide attacker as he has done over the years when Ajax had Huntelaar, Pantelic and now Mounir El Hamdaoui.