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[Benny The Noon]

Well City actually didn't let him go - Sturridge didn't sign a new contract and left on a free. And he didn't fit in at Chelsea and has outscored every single one of their strikers since leaving. Maureen even declared he wish he hasn't been sold.

By your theory Coutinho mustn't be any good because Inter let him go ?

[Owzat]

Sturridge isn't "that good" because two clubs with more money than sense let him go...........!?!? Never mind they signed him up in the first place, obviously their decision to let him move on outweighs all else

14 goals in 19 league appearances, to follow up a respectable if not prolific 12 in 37 for Chelsea and 8 in 12 on loan at Bolton.

As for Aspas, unimpressed so far but it is still early days. I fear he is Borinin II. He can have all the attributes in the world, if he has no end product then he's no better than Joe Allen

[Stu the Red]

Well City actually didn't let him go - Sturridge didn't sign a new contract and left on a free. And he didn't fit in at Chelsea and has outscored every single one of their strikers since leaving. Maureen even declared he wish he hasn't been sold.

By your theory Coutinho mustn't be any good because Inter let him go ?

You are on ignore but I will respond to that as I opened it by accident.

City were not willing to meet the demands that Sturridge set, which was more game time and more money. Why do you think that was?

To say he didn't "fit in" is complete bollox. He wasn't good enough, they realised it, and shipped him out.

With reply to goals, whats your point? Darren Bent's scores shed loads of goals. Always has, always will. Does that make him a top player or better than someone like Suarez (who he would consistently out score). Lampard scores more than Gerrard, Alonso and Xavi from midfield put together, does that make him better than any of those three?

Coutinho was sold to another club, in another country because he wasn't adapting to life in Italy... the lads a very good player, but ask yourself, is he better than Ozil, Cazorla, Silva, Hazard... or even Erikson? My guess is probably not. Hence the reason he's playing for the 6th best side in England and not one of the top four.

[Stu the Red]

Sturridge isn't "that good" because two clubs with more money than sense let him go...........!?!? Never mind they signed him up in the first place, obviously their decision to let him move on outweighs all else

14 goals in 19 league appearances, to follow up a respectable if not prolific 12 in 37 for Chelsea and 8 in 12 on loan at Bolton.

As for Aspas, unimpressed so far but it is still early days. I fear he is Borinin II. He can have all the attributes in the world, if he has no end product then he's no better than Joe Allen

Oh ***** ell here's stato. Go and look at Darren Bents stats.

[Owzat]

Thanks but I've seen them, I was merely pointing out you were dismissing on very weak reasoning

[Benny The Noon]

Well City actually didn't let him go - Sturridge didn't sign a new contract and left on a free. And he didn't fit in at Chelsea and has outscored every single one of their strikers since leaving. Maureen even declared he wish he hasn't been sold.

By your theory Coutinho mustn't be any good because Inter let him go ?

You are on ignore but I will respond to that as I opened it by accident.

City were not willing to meet the demands that Sturridge set, which was more game time and more money. Why do you think that was?

To say he didn't "fit in" is complete bollox. He wasn't good enough, they realised it, and shipped him out.

With reply to goals, whats your point? Darren Bent's scores shed loads of goals. Always has, always will. Does that make him a top player or better than someone like Suarez (who he would consistently out score). Lampard scores more than Gerrard, Alonso and Xavi from midfield put together, does that make him better than any of those three?

Coutinho was sold to another club, in another country because he wasn't adapting to life in Italy... the lads a very good player, but ask yourself, is he better than Ozil, Cazorla, Silva, Hazard... or even Erikson? My guess is probably not. Hence the reason he's playing for the 6th best side in England and not one of the top four.

Actually City kept offering Sturridge contracts but he kept turning them down - Yes Sturridge didn't fit in when RDM took over and wasn't played. Maureen has already stated it was a big mistake to let him go.

You tell me exactly why right now both Torres and Etoo are better than Sturridge as strikers ? Torres has done sweet f*ck all for years. Etoo has done sweet f*ck all for years.

They are strikers - they main role in the team is to score goals - Sturridge got us 4 wins so far this season and has been the most inform striker in the league since Jan.

You can disagree with that but you would be ( not for the first time ) clearly wrong.

[Stu the Red]

Thanks but I've seen them, I was merely pointing out you were dismissing on very weak reasoning

Well go on, what are they?

Bet you could use them for for making an arguement he's better than Sturridge.

Or in this case do the stats not give you the answer you want so you dismiss them?

We've had the conversation many times, I'm not interested in stats, runs of form or anything else that can be twisted.

I'm interested in a players ability, quality and attributes. Having players with great ability, quality and attributes, will result in having a great team.

[devaney]

Thanks but I've seen them, I was merely pointing out you were dismissing on very weak reasoning

Owzat Good to see you posting mate. I have missed your interesting stuff. Amazing that this Aspas thread has turned into a Sturridge debate. I think that we have a lot more to concern ourselves with than Danny who has made a serious contribution this season.

As for Aspas at this stage he is not PL standard and I'm not sure that he's going to make the grade. Difficult to see what our scouts actually saw in him. Just hope it was something that as yet we haven't seen.

Stu I'm interested in both stats and players attributes. You say you're not interested in stats yet you have produced a list of players that you consider better than Sturridge. Surely you used some stats to establish who you consider to be better. Or there again maybe not. What were you thinking putting Torres and Eto'o in the list? Opinion is great but simply because somebody doesn't agree with you means that they are wrong. Just a thought 

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Well City actually didn't let him go - Sturridge didn't sign a new contract and left on a free. And he didn't fit in at Chelsea and has outscored every single one of their strikers since leaving. Maureen even declared he wish he hasn't been sold.

By your theory Coutinho mustn't be any good because Inter let him go ?

You are on ignore but I will respond to that as I opened it by accident.

City were not willing to meet the demands that Sturridge set, which was more game time and more money. Why do you think that was?

To say he didn't "fit in" is complete bollox. He wasn't good enough, they realised it, and shipped him out.

With reply to goals, whats your point? Darren Bent's scores shed loads of goals. Always has, always will. Does that make him a top player or better than someone like Suarez (who he would consistently out score). Lampard scores more than Gerrard, Alonso and Xavi from midfield put together, does that make him better than any of those three?

Coutinho was sold to another club, in another country because he wasn't adapting to life in Italy... the lads a very good player, but ask yourself, is he better than Ozil, Cazorla, Silva, Hazard... or even Erikson? My guess is probably not. Hence the reason he's playing for the 6th best side in England and not one of the top four.

on what planet would darren bent `consistently outscore` luis suarez? because it isnt this one.

[damjan193]

Stu, you're clueless lad.

Sturridge has scored 17 goals in 22 appearances for us. That's a far better goal ratio than most of the other strikers you mentioned have had in recent years.

And asking why City didn't keep him is like your friend Timmy (Hustler) asking why Countinho, if he's that good, doesn't play for Barcelona. Many teams have made mistakes with players, Diego Forlan being a good example. There are many more but can't remember them now.

[Stu the Red]

Stu, you're clueless lad.

Sturridge has scored 17 goals in 22 appearances for us. That's a far better goal ratio than most of the other strikers you mentioned have had in recent years.

And asking why City didn't keep him is like your friend Timmy (Hustler) asking why Countinho, if he's that good, doesn't play for Barcelona. Many teams have made mistakes with players, Diego Forlan being a good example. There are many more but can't remember them now.

Really?

Am not being funny, but yourself, and others on here who claim to know anything about the game have no clue about tactical play, In game movement, the correct pass, what causes pressure, how a team should press a ball, safe play, adventurous play, what causes pressure to build, how to stop pressure building, patterns in play, zonal and man marking, team instructions, training strategy, training appilcation, player personality, what makes a successful team, what doesn't, player ability, natural ability, talent, application, attitude, willingness to learn, development of youth, child protection, adaptablility, counseling and psycology or any of the other hundred and odd sides of the game you completely fail to consider understand, comprehend or even realise exist.

What alot of people seem to think is that because someone does ok for Liverpool on a few occassions, that makes them the best in the league... unfortunately (it may have in the eighties), it no longer works like that. There are other good players out there who don't play for our club.

If you ever manage to grasp any of that... then come back and tell me I don't have a clue!!!

[Benny The Noon]

So what exactly has both Etoo and Torres done over the last 12 months to have them rated above Sturridge ?

[Stu the Red]

So what exactly has both Etoo and Torres done over the last 12 months to have them rated above Sturridge ?

Really? You're asking me to repeat myself?

Ok numb nuts, just for you, one last time.

I JUDGE A PLAYER ON ABILITY. NOT ON FORM OR THE PLAYERS THEY ARE PLAYING WITH, BUT AS AN INDIVIDUAL. BASED ON THEIR LEVEL OF SKILL AND ATTRIBUTES. I DO NOT TAKE FORM INTO ACCOUNT AS FORM IS TEMPORARY, ANYONE CAN HAVE A GOOD SEASON OR A GREAT GAME IF YOU ARE EVEN SEMI DECENT. JUST BECAUSE "SOMEONE PLAYS WELL" A FEW TIMES DOES NOT EVER MAKE THEM A GREAT PLAYER. SOMETIMES GREAT PLAYERS, DON'T PLAY WELL FOR A LONG TIME DUE TO NOT BEING IN THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT. SOMETIMES, LESSER PLAYERS PERFORM ABOVE THEMSELVES DUE TO BEING IN THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT. ENVIRONMENT HOWEVER, DOES NOT EFFECT YOUR ABILITY LEVEL.

Clear?

[Benny The Noon]

Again their "ability" has waned massively over the last two years ( due to age ) and now that "ability" doesn't produce the same results on the pitch.

If someone hasn't played well for over a year then that's more than just a form issue - that's them as players getting worse. Hence why they have both done nothing of any significance in the last 12 - 18 months.

Decades ago Maradona had lots of ability and skill - not a great player now though - same with both Etoo and Torres. They were great players but that's past now and it's clear right now that Sturridge is better than them both because he is producing the goods on the pitch consistently - Etoo and Torres aren't.

Why do you think Mourinho said it was a mistake that Chelsea let Sturridge go ?

Players like RvP , Aguero and Rooney are better than Sturridge and they show it by producing the goods now.

You can dribble on about "ability" but it's meaningless unless they produce it on the pitch. Players can be the most skillful player in the world and have all the ability in the world - but if they don't produce the goods on the pitch then they are useless.

Both Torres and Etoo's strongest abilities were their finishing and pace - both of those abilities have waned considerably. That's why they are not the players they once were.

Anyone who suggests both are better right now than Sturridge is utterly clueless

[Stu the Red]

Again their "ability" has waned massively over the last two years ( due to age ) and now that "ability" doesn't produce the same results on the pitch.

If someone hasn't played well for over a year then that's more than just a form issue - that's them as players getting worse. Hence why they have both done nothing of any significance in the last 12 - 18 months.

Decades ago Maradona had lots of ability and skill - not a great player now though - same with both Etoo and Torres. They were great players but that's past now and it's clear right now that Sturridge is better than them both because he is producing the goods on the pitch consistently - Etoo and Torres aren't.

Why do you think Mourinho said it was a mistake that Chelsea let Sturridge go ?

Players like RvP , Aguero and Rooney are better than Sturridge and they show it by producing the goods now.

You can dribble on about "ability" but it's meaningless unless they produce it on the pitch. Players can be the most skillful player in the world and have all the ability in the world - but if they don't produce the goods on the pitch then they are useless.

Both Torres and Etoo's strongest abilities were their finishing and pace - both of those abilities have waned considerably. That's why they are not the players they once were.

Anyone who suggests both are better right now than Sturridge is utterly clueless

Ability is meaningless?

Really?

So if you put Messi in Stoke Cities tomorrow, he finished the season on lets say... 15-20 goals rather than fifty for Barcelona, does that mean he's a worse player, or the players around him are worse?

And you say I'm clueless???