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by **kindaconfused** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:23 pm

I think this issue has been touched on earlier in the posting but perhaps we arent giving the front men the quality ball that they need most of their possession seems (to me anyway) to come with their back to the goal and maybe they dont have the qualities of a Van Nistelroy.

Presently Cisse doesn't look strong enough on the ball and seems easily pushed over which is of concern.

Since Raf didnt buy him he's likely to give him some chances and then sell but the directors know if he dont cut the mustard then they're gonna lose a load of money. With that in mind Rooney looks cheap, especially when Baros is struggling as well once we forget about his Portugal exploits then there will be no hiding place.

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:28 pm

i think we're all right to be sceptical after suffering the likes of Heskey and Diouf. However, Cisse is a different player in ever aspect. For one, he gives 100% for 90 mins, ok he hasn't linked up with the midfield yet, but that will come with games. It could be argued he's trying too hard, but i'm going to give him untill Christmas until i cast judgement. Baros....now he's a differnt matter, the problem with him is incosistancy. He's a class player, we all know that, but he needs to do it every match.

I say bring back Owen and let the 3 fight it out :cool:

by **ivor_the_injun** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:32 pm

It is still early days, but so far I'm not overly convinced. Baros looks the better of the two this season, and he's hardly been consistently good.

The main thing that's troubling me is that he's not really using his pace in the way that he should. Someone made the point about Drogba turning round and frightening defenders, and that's exactly what Cisse should be doing. His touch hasn't been great, and he needs to sort the simple things like that out before he starts trying to rely on some of the trickery that keeps losing us possession.

On the evidence of what I've seen so far, I don't think I'm going to be seeing anything of the fiver I put on him to be Prem top scorer.

by **banana** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:34 pm

As I've mentioned before on this forum I believe Benitez came really close to signing Eto'o as a part of the Owen deal. That would have solved all our problems right away. After witnessing the impact of Benitez signings so far I trust him to come up with some decent purchases when the transfer window opens. For now Benitez is stuck with Houllier flops and misfits. He just have to make the best of it and we just have to wait for him to turn things around. It will take time and a lot of money.

by **Redrider** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:36 pm

Baros is also not capable of leading the line. Both Baros and Cisse could operate as a support player to a main striker, but that assumes a 4 4 2 formation.
Rafa likes 4 4 1 1 with Garcia in the hole. Neither Baros or Cisse has the presence to be our main Striker. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these two isn't sold in January and replaced by a new 'Main' man.

PS. Thanks for the confirmation that you are not using my name. :blues:

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:38 pm

didn't Real offer 10 million for Baros during the summer?

by **Redrider** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:49 pm

I don't think so, but I heard Barcelona mentioned, mainly by Baros himself.
Would be good if he hit a few goals between now and Jan and we could sell for £10m.

by **Redrider** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:51 pm

I wish we had signed Drogba, I think we would have more points by now in both leagues.

by **kindaconfused** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:57 pm

Guys

If Baros should score a few goals we should sell him, then his transfer fee will be at its peak and then Raf can get who he wants rather than someone elses choice.

by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:20 pm

I'm obviously not on my own then as far as Cisse is concerned. I have my reservations also about Baros but he's a different kettle of fish as he cost two or three million and represents value and IMHO potential.
Drogba is a different animal entirely to any of our strikers but it didn't take a genius to work that out when he took us and Newcastle apart on his own in the UEFA cup last season. Ultimately though, 24 million is out of our range. Not saying he aint worth it cos he is, it's just that we can't afford it.
I guess that's my point really. At 14 million Cisse is our record signing and represents an absolutely huge investment for a club like ours which for various reasons is not exactly wedged up. I remember reading about Sam Allardyce signing Okocha. The board wouldn't sanction the club record 4 million fee on the grounds that African players were too big a risk. Allardyce pleaded and told them he'd stake his whole reputation on the transfer. They relented and got top value for their cash. When I compare this to the way our transfer kitty has been squandered on average players over the years it makes me want to blub.
I say again, I maybe wrong and Cisse maybe top-class. I hope I am ffs. If the lad himself wanted to be a success as much as we want it to happen then half the battle would be won.

by **Redrider** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:30 pm

Bigmick,
Your right on track. You say we can't afford £24m, well thats because we have blown dam near £100m on a bag of chite recently. Diouf, Biscan, Cheyrou, Diao etc. etc. Now add Cisse to the list
It is seriously about time we started buying proven quality, not this rubbish with so-called potential. One good one is better than five bad ones.
You have to blame the top management for allowing the last five years policies to persist. :angry:

by **taff** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:31 pm

I think it is too early to be honest Cisse and the team have a lot of work to do to get to know each other there are signs of a quality player but we have to remember he's new to the premiership and the step up in class

I think we should judge him next year

by **bigmick** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:44 pm

when you think that Tottenham paid 7 mill for Defoe you have to blink when you see the fee we paid for our striker. Smith too was 7 mill. Ffs, Owen was only 8! Now I know his contract was almost up but remember, throughout Europe strikers are on contracts that expire eventually. Only the very best go for big money mid-contract these days. 14 million for everyone other than Manure, Wellrid, Barca and Chelski is a massive fee these days. It's not unreasonable to expect better.

by **Redtribe** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:45 pm

100% agree taff

by **kindaconfused** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:48 pm

There was a previous posting about the football management and the area identified as that being the most critical in terms of risk, making and losing money was the transfer market.

Get it right here and your OK cook it up and you heamorage big style.

If yer link this back to the bung then yer begin to understand some of the dynamics of football. Perhaps we should make it a separate topic so I'll end here.

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