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[devaney]

Good left-footed finish yesterday, and good performance, but still not proved himself worth £17.5m though

He has proved himself more in four games than Lucas or Babel have in two years!

Spot on!

Babel wasn't worth £11.5m, Lucas probably not worth even £5m so all three have something in common

Owzat obviously Johnson is not worth £17m depending on what you compare him to. Let's face it Moyes spent £12.5m on Cahill,Arteta,Jagielka and Lescott and is currently showing a profit circa £10m and still has three of the players. That makes Johnson look frighteningly expensive! However closer to home LFC spent nearly £37m on Keane,Babel and Lucas and seeing as I would have one Johnson in my team rather than those three that makes him look cheap! Direct comparison Lescott at £22m or Johnson at £17m - my choice would be Johnson everyday.

Because he has a defender tag people naturally assume that he is not a high value player. I honestly believe that Johnson could quite easily play in midfield and he would also make a good forward. If he had either of those tags his price would go up considerably.

[Sabre]

What's Kality? </spanish accent>

Well, you can see kality in many aspects, but one of them is when you see a RB like Johnson, cut the ball, change it to the other foot, and put a cross like Johnson did with the other foot and with that accuracy (min 3 in Bolton game). That's kality, among other things.

That's something Arbie had not, and he was a weaker player (again, nothing against Arby, he's simply less kality, but he did a good service for us).

Then the goals is a bonus, but this player has kality. And just as I say that the likes of Barry and Carrick are miles off the kality of the Alonsos and Xavis and Iniestas, I have to say that Johnson is better than anything we have currently in my country.

Yes, including Ramos. Ramos has kality aswell, but much less developed football mind than Johnson. I'm very happy with this lad.

[JoeTerp]

i think your missing a 'w' in there

[stmichael]

Some of the criticim he's got after the England game the other day has been well over the top imo.

I don't think its just a case of teaching Johnson WHEN to attack, but also of teaching the person in front of him WHEN to defend.

[Owzat]

Good left-footed finish yesterday, and good performance, but still not proved himself worth £17.5m though

He has proved himself more in four games than Lucas or Babel have in two years!

Spot on!

Babel wasn't worth £11.5m, Lucas probably not worth even £5m so all three have something in common

Owzat obviously Johnson is not worth £17m depending on what you compare him to. Let's face it Moyes spent £12.5m on Cahill,Arteta,Jagielka and Lescott and is currently showing a profit circa £10m and still has three of the players. That makes Johnson look frighteningly expensive! However closer to home LFC spent nearly £37m on Keane,Babel and Lucas and seeing as I would have one Johnson in my team rather than those three that makes him look cheap! Direct comparison Lescott at £22m or Johnson at £17m - my choice would be Johnson everyday.

Because he has a defender tag people naturally assume that he is not a high value player. I honestly believe that Johnson could quite easily play in midfield and he would also make a good forward. If he had either of those tags his price would go up considerably.

I'm comparing Johnson to other full-backs, what else would you compare him to? If you moved him into midfield he wouldn't be a full-back so his defensive game would be less important but not unimportant. Also the output expectation would increase if his fee/value increased because he became a winger/midfielder, perhaps expecting a Dirk-esque output from him ie 12 goals and lots of assists in the Premiership

He's one of the better full-backs about, but even a top quality full-back can be bought for less than £10m and few cost more than Johnson did. If he was in say the top five FBs in terms of transfer, would that make him in the top five FBs in the world?

[eonerf]

Some of the criticim he's got after the England game the other day has been well over the top imo.

I don't think its just a case of teaching Johnson WHEN to attack, but also of teaching the person in front of him WHEN to defend.

Exactly, Glen hardly made any mistakes in that match but because of one goal it gets all the criticism while people ignore the fact that Lescott was more at fault for the goal.

[GYBS]

Good left-footed finish yesterday, and good performance, but still not proved himself worth £17.5m though

He has proved himself more in four games than Lucas or Babel have in two years!

Spot on!

Babel wasn't worth £11.5m, Lucas probably not worth even £5m so all three have something in common

Owzat obviously Johnson is not worth £17m depending on what you compare him to. Let's face it Moyes spent £12.5m on Cahill,Arteta,Jagielka and Lescott and is currently showing a profit circa £10m and still has three of the players. That makes Johnson look frighteningly expensive! However closer to home LFC spent nearly £37m on Keane,Babel and Lucas and seeing as I would have one Johnson in my team rather than those three that makes him look cheap! Direct comparison Lescott at £22m or Johnson at £17m - my choice would be Johnson everyday.

Because he has a defender tag people naturally assume that he is not a high value player. I honestly believe that Johnson could quite easily play in midfield and he would also make a good forward. If he had either of those tags his price would go up considerably.

I'm comparing Johnson to other full-backs, what else would you compare him to? If you moved him into midfield he wouldn't be a full-back so his defensive game would be less important but not unimportant. Also the output expectation would increase if his fee/value increased because he became a winger/midfielder, perhaps expecting a Dirk-esque output from him ie 12 goals and lots of assists in the Premiership

He's one of the better full-backs about, but even a top quality full-back can be bought for less than £10m and few cost more than Johnson did. If he was in say the top five FBs in terms of transfer, would that make him in the top five FBs in the world?

Which other top quality fullback could we off got for under 10 mil that is better than johnson ?

[LFC2007]

If he scored fourteen consecutive hat-tricks he would be 'not quite yet worth the £17.5m'.

[DrPepe]

don't think he's "worth" 17m either , but what;'s boswinga, ferdinand, zhirkov, tosic, alonso worth anyhow? what difference does it make?

the market for top player is ridiculous and i f you want one, you have to pay for him

[heimdall]

don't think he's "worth" 17m either , but what;'s boswinga, ferdinand, zhirkov, tosic, alonso worth anyhow? what difference does it make?

the market for top player is ridiculous and i f you want one, you have to pay for him

I think Johnson was worth the money but he's a luxury purchase, we should have spent that money on a striker or AM, positions which are far more citical for us. Yes I know we bought Aquaman but we needed another top AM with Alonso going.

[Owzat]

If he scored fourteen consecutive hat-tricks he would be 'not quite yet worth the £17.5m'.

Has he ever scored one hat-trick, or even a brace? He'd be wasted at full-back if he were scoring that prolifically, but by the time he'd scored 14 consecutive hat-tricks he'd be halfway through the season so at least then it would be fairer to judge his value not FOUR games in.

[ICE-MAN]

In my opinion Johnson has been a major breath of fresh air in the Liverpool team this season! His rampaging runs up and down the touchline have added a much needed change in the way we attack down the right wing! His skill, technique and athleticism are second to none in the right back position in England and I firmly believe that only Sergio Ramos can compete with him!
He brings a goal threat, an ability to get to the by-line and get crosses in and frightening pace to our right wing! We have been crying out for these qualities ever since Kuyt has nailed down the attacking right wing position as he likes to drift inside and is not a typical winger! I also believe that Kuyts play compliments Johnsons play very well and they will only get better as the season progresses! In my view, Arbeloa was a decent defender but offered nothing going forward, I do not believe he will last at Real Madrid as he is not an attacking Right Back and does not look comfortable going forward, he has a tendency to slow the game down when he receives the ball on the wing, whereas that is a position to speed it up as Johnson does!
In terms of the England fans slating Johnson, I couldnt care less, as many people have rightly pointed out its not that he cannot defend, it comes down to the fact that players are not covering him when he rampages forward!
Johnson hasnt truly been tested since he arrived but on the evidence that he has produced so far, it was some great business by Rafa in bringing him here, particularly as Chelsea spent £16.1m on Bosingwa!
Johnson will only get better as the season progresses but has already gone some way to justifying his fee

[LFC2007]

If he scored fourteen consecutive hat-tricks he would be 'not quite yet worth the £17.5m'.

Has he ever scored one hat-trick, or even a brace? He'd be wasted at full-back if he were scoring that prolifically, but by the time he'd scored 14 consecutive hat-tricks he'd be halfway through the season so at least then it would be fairer to judge his value not FOUR games in.

[Nando26]

Good left-footed finish yesterday, and good performance, but still not proved himself worth £17.5m though

He has proved himself more in four games than Lucas or Babel have in two years!

Spot on!

Babel wasn't worth £11.5m, Lucas probably not worth even £5m so all three have something in common

Owzat obviously Johnson is not worth £17m depending on what you compare him to. Let's face it Moyes spent £12.5m on Cahill,Arteta,Jagielka and Lescott and is currently showing a profit circa £10m and still has three of the players. That makes Johnson look frighteningly expensive! However closer to home LFC spent nearly £37m on Keane,Babel and Lucas and seeing as I would have one Johnson in my team rather than those three that makes him look cheap! Direct comparison Lescott at £22m or Johnson at £17m - my choice would be Johnson everyday.

Because he has a defender tag people naturally assume that he is not a high value player. I honestly believe that Johnson could quite easily play in midfield and he would also make a good forward. If he had either of those tags his price would go up considerably.

I'm comparing Johnson to other full-backs, what else would you compare him to? If you moved him into midfield he wouldn't be a full-back so his defensive game would be less important but not unimportant. Also the output expectation would increase if his fee/value increased because he became a winger/midfielder, perhaps expecting a Dirk-esque output from him ie 12 goals and lots of assists in the Premiership

He's one of the better full-backs about, but even a top quality full-back can be bought for less than £10m and few cost more than Johnson did. If he was in say the top five FBs in terms of transfer, would that make him in the top five FBs in the world?

Id say so yes, heres my top 5:

Macion
Ramos
Johnson <-- see look
Alves
Lahm

[GYBS]

If he scored fourteen consecutive hat-tricks he would be 'not quite yet worth the £17.5m'.

Has he ever scored one hat-trick, or even a brace? He'd be wasted at full-back if he were scoring that prolifically, but by the time he'd scored 14 consecutive hat-tricks he'd be halfway through the season so at least then it would be fairer to judge his value not FOUR games in.

Arent you already judging him and his value by sayin we have wasted 17 odd million on him ?