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[RedEire]

Would have to agree that Ngog, at he moment, is simply not good enough to play PL football.  As already stated, i find it very strange that a player like Babel is below the pecking order when it comes to bringing on subs.  Whether it was his comments to the press or whatever, Rafa has taken to knocking him down the list, and giving him only 5 mins to do something.  That to me is unfair.  As someone has said above, Ngog needs to be sent to the reserves and play half a season or so and if by then he has shown the ability and composure needed for PL football, then use him as an sub when things are going well - give him the confidence to try a shot but not when the game is going against you and experienced players like Gerrard and Alonso are pulling their hair out with frustration - at the moment a clear head is needed - someone to put their foot on the ball, and take the pressure off everyone - someone like Hamann would have been perfect in a situation like last night.

[Roger Red Hat]

he played for PSG and scored...      wait for it while I tot them up...


...0
...none
...zip
...sweet FA
...not even half a goal

[aCe']

david n'sht.... hes sht...
cant even control a ball and plays like a chic the fckin idiot ... fckin disgrace... tries to play like Anelka when he gets the ball but doesnt seem to have any sort of ability...

why bring him on against WestHam ill never uderstand.. if he had come on for Arbeloa or Dossena id understand... maybe just to have more players in their box with all the crosses but for him to come on for a striker .. that was simply a bad call from Rafa...

He's shown whenever hes come on that hes absolutely nowhere near good enough and shouldnt be playing again anytime soon...

[Fo Dne]

Disgrace of a player with Zero ability.

[bigmick]

Disgrace of a player with Zero ability.

Stop sitting on the fence FFS and just say what you think 

Lando, I wasn't in any way slagging the kid off, I was merely making the point that I can't see any signs of ability at all. As Bam pointed out, sometimes I claim to have seen it where there is none there (Lucas is only one of a number of examples) or claim not to have seen it where there is some there (Riera being an obvious choice) so I'm no guru, (or prophet  ) but I just can't see it with this kid. Hopefully I'm wrong etc etc etc etc.

The other points worth making are that I think based on what we've seen, that Keane was and is far more likely to make something happen for you than this bloke so we should have left him on (despite the fact he was anonymous). Also, although I've not watched the reserves myself, plenty of lads on here have and they all seem to rate both Nemeth and particularly Pacecho. I was merely asking whether they were better than Egg Nog (  Ciggs).

Anybody notice that Ciise is looking like a striker who would be a live candidate as an impact player off the bench?

DISCLAIMER-I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD SELL TORRES AND BUY CISSE, MAKING THE FRENCHMAN CAPTAIN.

[Cool Hand Luke]

Bizarre signing who has no previous record of scoring goals. Not only that but he will end up blocking the route for Pacheco and Nemeth who apparently might have the ability to become first team squad members.

It’s the same with Dossena and Insua, Degen and Darby, etc. If these guys are not better than the players mentioned then they have no hope what so ever of making it as Premier League players.

Liverpool football club is not a good place too be for a young player hoping to play first team football one day.

[JoeTerp]

The other points worth making are that I think based on what we've seen, that Keane was and is far more likely to make something happen for you than this bloke so we should have left him on (despite the fact he was anonymous). Also, although I've not watched the reserves myself, plenty of lads on here have and they all seem to rate both Nemeth and particularly Pacecho. I was merely asking whether they were better than Egg Nog (  Ciggs).

I have certainly cooled from last season on my reserve watching, although I started strong as ever (mostly to do with being in uni and then unemployed and now having a job) also to do with the fact that following the reserves and youngsters too much will just break your heart.

But anyway, my point is for some reason N'Gog seems to be above playing in these ressie matches so its hard for me to determine if he is our best "young" striking talent or not. There is just so little to judge from, but from what there is little is positive. Even when he scores goals (preseason) they look a bit off and awkward. He seems to be a big fan of tripping over either his own feet or the ball or both.  Nemeth has been hurt most of the campaign and has only recently regained fitness, and Pacheco has been a bit disapointing during the ressie campaign (maybe its because he isn't with Nemeth?). And Nemeth certianly isn't too young, he will be 20 years old in a month.

[metalhead]

Bizarre signing who has no previous record of scoring goals. Not only that but he will end up blocking the route for Pacheco and Nemeth who apparently might have the ability to become first team squad members.

It’s the same with Dossena and Insua, Degen and Darby, etc. If these guys are not better than the players mentioned then they have no hope what so ever of making it as Premier League players.

Liverpool football club is not a good place too be for a young player hoping to play first team football one day.

Didn't ngog have 1 goal in 14 games for Paris St.German? I thought it was really odd that we bought him with that type of record.

[JoeTerp]

Bizarre signing who has no previous record of scoring goals. Not only that but he will end up blocking the route for Pacheco and Nemeth who apparently might have the ability to become first team squad members.

It’s the same with Dossena and Insua, Degen and Darby, etc. If these guys are not better than the players mentioned then they have no hope what so ever of making it as Premier League players.

Liverpool football club is not a good place too be for a young player hoping to play first team football one day.

Didn't ngog have 1 goal in 14 games for Paris St.German? I thought it was really odd that we bought him with that type of record.

after he signed a lot of posters (I think on RAWK) posted the scoring records in France of a young Anelka and Henry and some other nice French strikers and they all had not so hot scoring records, and most of those appearances were off the bench I believe.

If you really want to search for some hope in N'Gog than look at his performance in last seasons Emirates Cup.

[LFC2007]

Nowhere near good enough and you could see that against Villa early in the season.

He'll stay til the end of the season before drifting off to FC Metz or the like.

The scout who recommended him needs a word.

[JC_81]

Nowhere near good enough and you could see that against Villa early in the season.

Spot on.

The Villa game was definitely my watershed moment in terms of Ngog's ability.

[Koptite]

i think the lad is still young and could benfit from playing in the reserves for a while. im not saying he is no good for us because its still early days but he should be playing week in week out and getting some games under his belt, score some goals berfore he gets his chance in the first team.

Lads like Nemeth and Pacheco, Insua and Darby have all worked hard for the reserve team and have done well and this lad has seemed to have walked in and claimed his place in the first team i dont think its right and its not fare on the rest of the lads, how must they be feeling!!!!

[puroresu]

Bizarre signing who has no previous record of scoring goals. Not only that but he will end up blocking the route for Pacheco and Nemeth who apparently might have the ability to become first team squad members.

It’s the same with Dossena and Insua, Degen and Darby, etc. If these guys are not better than the players mentioned then they have no hope what so ever of making it as Premier League players.

Liverpool football club is not a good place too be for a young player hoping to play first team football one day.

Didn't ngog have 1 goal in 14 games for Paris St.German? I thought it was really odd that we bought him with that type of record.

after he signed a lot of posters (I think on RAWK) posted the scoring records in France of a young Anelka and Henry and some other nice French strikers and they all had not so hot scoring records, and most of those appearances were off the bench I believe.

If you really want to search for some hope in N'Gog than look at his performance in last seasons Emirates Cup.

difference is Ngog was not regarded as a potential future star at PSG.  PSG were not that distraught at losing him and from speaking to people on french football forums they were shocked we signed someone like him.  I dont care how young or inexperienced he is, if he cannot control a ball now then his touch will never be that good.

[Owzat]

Nowhere near good enough and you could see that against Villa early in the season.

He'll stay til the end of the season before drifting off to FC Metz or the like.

The scout who recommended him needs a word.

I'm not the biggest fan of Keane, but when N'Gog came on for him I knew he wouldn't score and that Babel was being saved to replace Riera (as usual)

N'Gog will either be loaned out or sold fairly soon, does he have an attribute that he was signed for? Good in the air? Quick? Strength? Great dribbling? Because if he does I've yet to see signs of it.

£1.5m for a striker doesn't seem bad on face value, for N'Gog it looks like a waste of £1.5m. I can't believe Rafa won't sign Owen for £2m-£3m and yet will happily pay £1.5m for wastes of bench space like N'Gog. Then again he spent £3m on a sub goalkeeper when there were plenty of other keepers swapping clubs in the summer - or our own young keepers

[stmichael]

It's not right to make a final judgement on a player so soon but he's never going to make it and there's no way he offers more threat than Keane or Babel up front. You can see it in his first touch, his 'close' control and the way he tries to shift the ball.

What can this lad for do for 1.5m that the likes of Lindfield, Pacheco or Brower couldn't have done?