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Postby zarababe » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:38 am

zarababe wrote:I'm afarid the reality is - barring Rooney - England have a poor strike force, good midfield and shakey defence - Johnson was brilliant BTW.

The weight of expectation is such that ppl forget the top sides in the Premiership, have more foreign players then English ones. The 'Real top four' does not have an English goal keeper, and with sprinklings of Englsih players in the these sides.. there just isn't the 'big game' experience and technical ability that could make Engerland world beaters.

Well well.. the Kaiser agrees with my observation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal....england

"What I saw from the English in their 1-1 draw against the United States had very little to do with football," Beckenbauer wrote in a South African newspaper after watching England's draw on Saturday.

"It looked to me as if the English have gone backwards into the bad old times of kick and rush. I am not sure if the England coach Fabio Capello can still change much there. The English are being punished for the fact that there are very few English players in the Premier League clubs as they use better foreign players from all over the world."
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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:38 am

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Dundalk wrote:If you want to see an impressive team - watch the Italians tonight :;):

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Postby Kharhaz » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:00 am

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zarababe wrote:I'm afarid the reality is - barring Rooney - England have a poor strike force, good midfield and shakey defence - Johnson was brilliant BTW.

The weight of expectation is such that ppl forget the top sides in the Premiership, have more foreign players then English ones. The 'Real top four' does not have an English goal keeper, and with sprinklings of Englsih players in the these sides.. there just isn't the 'big game' experience and technical ability that could make Engerland world beaters.

Well well.. the Kaiser agrees with my observation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal....england

"What I saw from the English in their 1-1 draw against the United States had very little to do with football," Beckenbauer wrote in a South African newspaper after watching England's draw on Saturday.

"It looked to me as if the English have gone backwards into the bad old times of kick and rush. I am not sure if the England coach Fabio Capello can still change much there. The English are being punished for the fact that there are very few English players in the Premier League clubs as they use better foreign players from all over the world."

Well thats a good argument. But then look at the italians. Many of the best players in the italian league are foreign. Same as the spanish league. Real Madrid in particular, spent a fortune all on foreign players.

But the one thing all the national teams do is acknowledge the talent that is there.

England dont. They do in the odd sub appearance in a friendly but all England coaches fall to the pick the name type thing. They read the press, Shawn Wright Phillips for example.

Is he really one of our best? for me no, does having Ian Wright as a constantly on tv former england player and of course his dad help? of course it does.

Which is what this country has been reduced to. The media decide. Which is why we couldnt find an Englishman to take the England job. They know the pressures.

Look at John Terry. He wanted to keep the gagging order on the press for a time. Was it because he was ashamed of what he did ? or was it because as long as he was England captain, he would get all the sponsorship deals in place and set himself up for the future when he retires.

The media decides. Capello has fallen into the media trap. He has picked the players that will keep the media happy.

If only he picked a team to make the nation happy.
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Postby Varekai » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:34 am

Not a very impressive start of the cup, but it usually isn't. Here's a chilean that can't wait for our first game:angry:
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Postby Sabre » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:11 am

Varekai wrote:Not a very impressive start of the cup, but it usually isn't. Here's a chilean that can't wait for our first game:angry:

Let's hope Claudio Bravo shows how good keeper he is and he's not another victim of Jabulani.

I think Chile and Spain will go through.
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Postby fivecups » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:18 am

zarababe wrote:
zarababe wrote:I'm afarid the reality is - barring Rooney - England have a poor strike force, good midfield and shakey defence - Johnson was brilliant BTW.

The weight of expectation is such that ppl forget the top sides in the Premiership, have more foreign players then English ones. The 'Real top four' does not have an English goal keeper, and with sprinklings of Englsih players in the these sides.. there just isn't the 'big game' experience and technical ability that could make Engerland world beaters.

Well well.. the Kaiser agrees with my observation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal....england

"What I saw from the English in their 1-1 draw against the United States had very little to do with football," Beckenbauer wrote in a South African newspaper after watching England's draw on Saturday.

"It looked to me as if the English have gone backwards into the bad old times of kick and rush. I am not sure if the England coach Fabio Capello can still change much there. The English are being punished for the fact that there are very few English players in the Premier League clubs as they use better foreign players from all over the world."

Makes no sense to me Zara?

By my reckoning all the England starting 11 were Premier League players. Yes? So what he is saying is these guys regularly play against the best foreign players from all over the world - exactly how is that a disadvantage to them?
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Postby tubby » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:41 am

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Postby Julio-0 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:13 am

bavlondon wrote:Brazil Brazil Brazil!!!!

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Postby laza » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:19 am

THE incessant drone of the vuvuzela may finally be silenced with the BBC in talks to air "clean" World Cup games.
The broadcaster was yesterday discussing options to transmit noise-free or clean games minus the blaring of the South African horn after receiving more than 200 complaints from viewers.

Debate has raged over the instrument that has drowned out crowd chants with its furious beehive sound.

The sound emitted by a vuvuzela is equivalent to 127 decibels, according to a South African survey.

That makes it louder than a drum's 122 decibels, a referee's whistle at 121.8 decibels - and close to the noise of a jet taking off at 300m, which is around 130 decibels.

Sound bursts at such high levels "are catastrophic" for hearing, as they destroy hair cells in the inner ear, of which there is a small and non-renewable population of only 15,000, said French specialist Mireille Tardy.


The South African manufacturer has now announced a "vuvuzela lite".

"We have modified the mouthpiece, there is now a new vuvuzela which will blow noise that is 20 decibels less than the old one," said Neil van Schalkwyk, a partner at Masincedane Sport.

"We hope to sell these at park and ride areas and public viewing areas," added Van Schalkwyk, whose company owns the vuvuzela trademark.

Argentina's Lionel Messi said it was impossible to communicate with players due to the noise, saying, "it's like being deaf."

But South African goalkeeper Itumeleng Khune complained there were not enough vuvuzelas in the stands and called on supporters to make even more noise.

There are mixed messages coming from the South African organisers.

"Vuvuzelas are here to stay and will never be banned," a World Cup organising committee spokesman said.

But yesterday head of the committee Danny Jordaan said he would consider a ban.

"We have asked for no vuvuzelas during national anthems or during stadium announcements. I know it's a difficult question," he added, saying that "we're trying to manage the best we can".

"We heard from the broadcasters and individuals and it's something we are evaluating on an ongoing basis."

Jordaan told the BBC in an interview that he had to consider the option of banning the trumpets.

"If there are grounds to do so, yes," he said.

Fifa president Sepp Blatter supports the trumpets.

"I have always said that Africa has a different rhythm, a different sound," he said in a Twitter update.

"Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?"

But while the ear-splitting plastic trumpets might end up muted in the BBCs screenings, their drone is gaining popularity outside the stadiums of South Africa, and they are predicted to be a common sound at sporting events across the world.

The horns sold out in supermarkets across the UK and virtual vuvuzela apps are soaring on the Apple iTunes charts.

During England's game against America on the weekend the horns were blasted in English pubs and constant shipments have been ordered from South Africa.

Supermarket chain Sainsbury's sold one "Vu Vu" horn every two seconds on Saturday- shifting 22,000 of the instruments in 12 hours before England's game.

It expects to sell out of its extra order of 25,000 horns before Friday's game against Algeria.

Online store Amazon said sales had increased by 1000 per cent since the World Cup started.

David Broughton, from the England-based company thevuvuzelaman.co.uk, said the country was gripped with "vuvuzela fever".

"We sold 1000 online over the weekend. Someone in Dubai has asked for 10,000. If anyone knows of half a million vuvuzelas lying around, they could get very rich," he told British newspapers.

Anti-vuvuzela groups have spread across social networking site Facebook.

One page calling on Fifa to ban the horn has 167,388 members.

But iPhone owners have embraced the vuvuzela turning their phones into a virtual trumpet.

There are currently 12 vuvuzela apps available from Apple's App Store, with one being downloaded more than 750,000 times.

It is the most popular free app in the Entertainment downloads.

Users can blow into their iPhone microphone to simulate the blaring trumpet noise
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Postby stmichael » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:21 am

with the exception of messi and ozilf or germany, the world cup has been relatively devoid of any flair so far. hopefully that should change today with the introduction of brazil.
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Postby SeaofRed » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:07 pm

Dunga's Brazil play differently from previous Brazilian, they are a lot more European these days, so I am not holding out for much flair from Brazil.

Holland managed to grind out a win, they weren't convincing, but then it is not a good idea to peak to early, it seems that Germany have done so and that could (though I doubt it) be their undoing later on in the tournament. Quite how Denmark didn't get anything out of the match beggars belief.

Cameron were horrendous - LeGuen should be sacked for playing one of the best strikers in the world on the rightside of the pitch for the entire match.

The Italy match sent me to sleep. :sleep

As for that sour kraut, BeckenNaziBauer or whatever his name is, firstly he looks like a relation to Josef Mengele, secondly German have poached two of Poland's finest in Klose and Podolski, if those two had lived between 1933-1945, they'd have been slaughtered by the German Nazi Machine. They have a Brazilian man in their squad too.

Typical Germans, they were mouthy b*stard in 1933 and several years later got their backside handed to them when their little, shitty country was carpet bombed, now they are starting again.

BeckenNaziBauer can shove his bratwurst up his arseh*le.
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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:10 pm

fivecups wrote:
zarababe wrote:
zarababe wrote:I'm afarid the reality is - barring Rooney - England have a poor strike force, good midfield and shakey defence - Johnson was brilliant BTW.

The weight of expectation is such that ppl forget the top sides in the Premiership, have more foreign players then English ones. The 'Real top four' does not have an English goal keeper, and with sprinklings of Englsih players in the these sides.. there just isn't the 'big game' experience and technical ability that could make Engerland world beaters.

Well well.. the Kaiser agrees with my observation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/footbal....england

"What I saw from the English in their 1-1 draw against the United States had very little to do with football," Beckenbauer wrote in a South African newspaper after watching England's draw on Saturday.

"It looked to me as if the English have gone backwards into the bad old times of kick and rush. I am not sure if the England coach Fabio Capello can still change much there. The English are being punished for the fact that there are very few English players in the Premier League clubs as they use better foreign players from all over the world."

Makes no sense to me Zara?

By my reckoning all the England starting 11 were Premier League players. Yes? So what he is saying is these guys regularly play against the best foreign players from all over the world - exactly how is that a disadvantage to them?

Good point, mate.  :nod
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Postby tubby » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:26 pm

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Postby laza » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:31 pm

I dont believe im going to say this but cmon the Kiwis, lets see an upset
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Postby laza » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:33 pm

In and Out wrote:Cameroon Argentina Italia 90, that was a cracker.

Oh yes the Roger Milla sensation
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