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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:53 pm

Kenny Kan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:13 am wrote:Equal on points, equal on goal difference and equal in philosophy. There is a reason Arsenal and Liverpool both sit at the top of the Premier League after seven matches, with Arsene Wenger and Brendan Rodgers eschewing control in favour of dynamism and attacking incision.

While Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United are all in flux after appointing new managers in the summer, and Tottenham are adapting to life without their best player, it is not necessarily continuity that has helped Arsenal and Liverpool enjoy impressive starts to the season. The managers may be the same, but the message is different - possession is no longer nine-tenths of the law.

It can be seen through the statistical analysis of both sides' performances so far. Arsenal have slipped from the top of the Premier League possession chart in 2012/13, with an average of 58.2% per game, to eighth and an average of 54%. Liverpool, third in Rodgers' first season in charge with an average of 57.2%, are now ninth with an average of 51.7%.

Statistical data only proves so much, but it reinforces what we can see on the pitch as Arsenal attack in spurts and quick transitions, while Liverpool have sought to get themselves in front before tightening up and holding on to the lead. As revered former Arsenal manager Herbert Chapman once said: "The truth is you can attack for too long."


"We try to make it rapid and direct," was Chapman's mantra, and Rodgers has encouraged the same from his Liverpool players. "We're a team that's evolving and starting to understand that side of football; with every attack, you can't score," said the manager before the Reds' victory over Crystal Palace. "Sometimes you have to move the ball, disrupt your opponent's organisation and then really have the eye to make the killer pass and hopefully get the goals from there."

For Liverpool, this aim has predominantly been emodied in blistering first-half performances that have seen them lead at the interval in six of their seven top-flight fixtures. Even in Luis Suarez's absence, the Reds showed great intelligence in the final third to seize their moments to go in front. Daniel Sturridge's first-half strikes in away matches against Aston Villa and Sunderland are two such examples as containment was considered an after-thought.


Arsenal, meanwhile, have demonstrated their counter-attacking ability even more readily, aided by Mesut Ozil's genius. Tottenham, Fulham, Sunderland, Marseille and Swansea were all picked off on the break, but it was against Napoli in the UEFA Champions League that the Gunners really excelled. Two goals courtesy of quick bursts in the opening 15 minutes saw off Rafa Benitez's side, with Ozil's opener underlining the team's unerring confidence in their finely tuned system.


Mathieu Flamini: Midfielder has given Arsenal added steel
Furthermore, in four of the eight matches in which Arsenal have scored two or more goals this season (in all competitions), the Gunners have struck in quick succession to establish an advantage. Goals in the 58th and 62nd minutes defeated Swansea, Ramsey's double in the 67th and 76th minutes ended Sunderland's brief hopes, Napoli were undone in 15 magnificent minutes and Fenerbahce were thrashed at home by strikes in the 51st, 64th and 77th minutes. It's the equivalent of a boxer hammering a jab in the gut before a blow to the jaw.

The idea of control has not been ignored completely, of course, otherwise it would be difficult to profit on a revised attacking approach. Mathieu Flamini's arrival has provided renewed strength to Arsenal's spine and it was interesting to see that the Frenchman was preferred alongside Mikel Arteta for the tough test against Napoli as Jack Wilshere dropped to the bench. "Flamini has given us a balance between attacking and defending," said Wenger. "He is someone who accepts the dark role in the team."

Negotiating the same balance has been at the forefront of Rodgers' thoughts too, particularly in Liverpool's hard-fought victory over Aston Villa in which they were happy to cede possession to a side set up to hit the Reds on the counter. "It was a terrific win for us. I thought first half we had good control of the game and scored an excellent goal," said Rodgers. "Obviously second half, we just needed to defend a bit deeper. Tactically that was the idea. In the first two games Aston Villa have been brilliant on the counter-attack and if you open up too much the spaces then they have players who can hurt you."

Daniel Sturridge and Luis Suarez: Crucial to Liverpool
In terms of Liverpool's ability to hurt opponents, Sturridge and Suarez have continued to form an exciting partnership, seeing off Sunderland with a swift counter-attack to seal all three points.

At Arsenal, Wenger's change of tack has helped to get more out of Olivier Giroud. The striker's best goal last season came in the Gunners' 3-1 win at West Ham, when he dropped deep to spray the ball out to Lukas Podolski on the left and then burst to the front post to slot home a neat finish. Wenger has built on this aspect of Giroud's game as Ozil and the revitalised Ramsey are now encouraged to run past the centre-forward instead of the frontman being the focal point of the attack. Ozil's goal against Napoli exemplified this idea and Giroud's improved displays have reduced concerns over the failure to sign Suarez in the summer.

Wenger and Rodgers' distinct game plans have helped Arsenal and Liverpool to flourish so far and, while both sides still have room for improvement, their balance between control and attack has yielded great efficiency. For Liverpool the aim now is to maintain their performance level over 90 minutes, while Arsenal can look forward to being further strengthened in attack when Santi Cazorla returns following the international break. It bodes for an exciting encounter when the two teams meet on November 2.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ct-balance


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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:53 pm

Kenny Kan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:13 am wrote:Equal on points, equal on goal difference and equal in philosophy. There is a reason Arsenal and Liverpool both sit at the top of the Premier League after seven matches, with Arsene Wenger and Brendan Rodgers eschewing control in favour of dynamism and attacking incision.

While Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United are all in flux after appointing new managers in the summer, and Tottenham are adapting to life without their best player, it is not necessarily continuity that has helped Arsenal and Liverpool enjoy impressive starts to the season. The managers may be the same, but the message is different - possession is no longer nine-tenths of the law.

It can be seen through the statistical analysis of both sides' performances so far. Arsenal have slipped from the top of the Premier League possession chart in 2012/13, with an average of 58.2% per game, to eighth and an average of 54%. Liverpool, third in Rodgers' first season in charge with an average of 57.2%, are now ninth with an average of 51.7%.

Statistical data only proves so much, but it reinforces what we can see on the pitch as Arsenal attack in spurts and quick transitions, while Liverpool have sought to get themselves in front before tightening up and holding on to the lead. As revered former Arsenal manager Herbert Chapman once said: "The truth is you can attack for too long."


"We try to make it rapid and direct," was Chapman's mantra, and Rodgers has encouraged the same from his Liverpool players. "We're a team that's evolving and starting to understand that side of football; with every attack, you can't score," said the manager before the Reds' victory over Crystal Palace. "Sometimes you have to move the ball, disrupt your opponent's organisation and then really have the eye to make the killer pass and hopefully get the goals from there."

For Liverpool, this aim has predominantly been emodied in blistering first-half performances that have seen them lead at the interval in six of their seven top-flight fixtures. Even in Luis Suarez's absence, the Reds showed great intelligence in the final third to seize their moments to go in front. Daniel Sturridge's first-half strikes in away matches against Aston Villa and Sunderland are two such examples as containment was considered an after-thought.


Arsenal, meanwhile, have demonstrated their counter-attacking ability even more readily, aided by Mesut Ozil's genius. Tottenham, Fulham, Sunderland, Marseille and Swansea were all picked off on the break, but it was against Napoli in the UEFA Champions League that the Gunners really excelled. Two goals courtesy of quick bursts in the opening 15 minutes saw off Rafa Benitez's side, with Ozil's opener underlining the team's unerring confidence in their finely tuned system.


Mathieu Flamini: Midfielder has given Arsenal added steel
Furthermore, in four of the eight matches in which Arsenal have scored two or more goals this season (in all competitions), the Gunners have struck in quick succession to establish an advantage. Goals in the 58th and 62nd minutes defeated Swansea, Ramsey's double in the 67th and 76th minutes ended Sunderland's brief hopes, Napoli were undone in 15 magnificent minutes and Fenerbahce were thrashed at home by strikes in the 51st, 64th and 77th minutes. It's the equivalent of a boxer hammering a jab in the gut before a blow to the jaw.

The idea of control has not been ignored completely, of course, otherwise it would be difficult to profit on a revised attacking approach. Mathieu Flamini's arrival has provided renewed strength to Arsenal's spine and it was interesting to see that the Frenchman was preferred alongside Mikel Arteta for the tough test against Napoli as Jack Wilshere dropped to the bench. "Flamini has given us a balance between attacking and defending," said Wenger. "He is someone who accepts the dark role in the team."

Negotiating the same balance has been at the forefront of Rodgers' thoughts too, particularly in Liverpool's hard-fought victory over Aston Villa in which they were happy to cede possession to a side set up to hit the Reds on the counter. "It was a terrific win for us. I thought first half we had good control of the game and scored an excellent goal," said Rodgers. "Obviously second half, we just needed to defend a bit deeper. Tactically that was the idea. In the first two games Aston Villa have been brilliant on the counter-attack and if you open up too much the spaces then they have players who can hurt you."

Daniel Sturridge and Luis Suarez: Crucial to Liverpool
In terms of Liverpool's ability to hurt opponents, Sturridge and Suarez have continued to form an exciting partnership, seeing off Sunderland with a swift counter-attack to seal all three points.

At Arsenal, Wenger's change of tack has helped to get more out of Olivier Giroud. The striker's best goal last season came in the Gunners' 3-1 win at West Ham, when he dropped deep to spray the ball out to Lukas Podolski on the left and then burst to the front post to slot home a neat finish. Wenger has built on this aspect of Giroud's game as Ozil and the revitalised Ramsey are now encouraged to run past the centre-forward instead of the frontman being the focal point of the attack. Ozil's goal against Napoli exemplified this idea and Giroud's improved displays have reduced concerns over the failure to sign Suarez in the summer.

Wenger and Rodgers' distinct game plans have helped Arsenal and Liverpool to flourish so far and, while both sides still have room for improvement, their balance between control and attack has yielded great efficiency. For Liverpool the aim now is to maintain their performance level over 90 minutes, while Arsenal can look forward to being further strengthened in attack when Santi Cazorla returns following the international break. It bodes for an exciting encounter when the two teams meet on November 2.

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Postby woof woof ! » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:16 pm

Think he knew you're a slow reader Stu, posted it twice in case the page turned while you were reading .

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Postby Stu the Red » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:18 pm

woof woof ! » Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:16 pm wrote:Think he knew you're a slow reader Stu, posted it twice in case the page turned while you were reading .

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Showing your age their aren't you?

Pages don't turn on t'internet woof!! Even i knew that  :rasp
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Postby Kenny Kan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:46 pm

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Postby Stu the Red » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:54 am

No f*ck that, edited because it makes me look better if I leave things as they are!! :D
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Postby woof woof ! » Thu Oct 17, 2013 3:43 pm

StuYesThatStu » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:54 am wrote:No f*ck that, edited because it makes me look better if I leave things as they are!! :D


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Postby woof woof ! » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:12 am

From Daily Mail

Brendan Rodgers has confirmed the news that Harry Redknapp had asked the former Swansea boss to join him in the England set-up if Redknapp were to get the job.

As part of Sportsmail's exclusive serialising of Redknapp's book, Always Managing: My Autobiography by Harry Redknapp, it was revealed that the now QPR boss was so confident that he was going to be offered the England job, he'd even asked Rodgers if he'd consider being his No.2

Backing up Redknapp's side of the story, Rodgers said: 'My version was that last April when I was at Swansea, Harry asked me (about the England job) after the game.

'It was a unique conversation as he was confident - as was the nation - that he would get the job. It was a quick conversation and I was aware that he wanted me to do it.

'I would have certainly considered it. The thing about Harry is that he is a wonderful chemist and he knows what he wants from his teams.

'It says everything about him that he would have had another Premier League manager working alongside him.'

Rodgers continued: 'There was no, yes or no. The job went to Roy and he has done brilliant.

'I had spoken to Swansea, but after the appointment was made that there was no further thought. A unique chance for British football to show what we can do.'

Rodgers was speaking ahead of Liverpool's game against Newcastle on Saturday - for which he claims the Reds will have their 'strongest squad of the season.'

He added: 'Glen Johnson is back. Joe Allen will be back and so to Aly Cissokho'


Do you think if it (the opportunity) came up again he'd "consider it " ?

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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:33 am

woof woof ! » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:12 am wrote:From Daily Mail

Brendan Rodgers has confirmed the news that Harry Redknapp had asked the former Swansea boss to join him in the England set-up if Redknapp were to get the job.

As part of Sportsmail's exclusive serialising of Redknapp's book, Always Managing: My Autobiography by Harry Redknapp, it was revealed that the now QPR boss was so confident that he was going to be offered the England job, he'd even asked Rodgers if he'd consider being his No.2

Backing up Redknapp's side of the story, Rodgers said: 'My version was that last April when I was at Swansea, Harry asked me (about the England job) after the game.

'It was a unique conversation as he was confident - as was the nation - that he would get the job. It was a quick conversation and I was aware that he wanted me to do it.

'I would have certainly considered it. The thing about Harry is that he is a wonderful chemist and he knows what he wants from his teams.

'It says everything about him that he would have had another Premier League manager working alongside him.'

Rodgers continued: 'There was no, yes or no. The job went to Roy and he has done brilliant.

'I had spoken to Swansea, but after the appointment was made that there was no further thought. A unique chance for British football to show what we can do.'

Rodgers was speaking ahead of Liverpool's game against Newcastle on Saturday - for which he claims the Reds will have their 'strongest squad of the season.'

He added: 'Glen Johnson is back. Joe Allen will be back and so to Aly Cissokho'


Do you think if it (the opportunity) came up again he'd "consider it " ?

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No I don't. There's one thing considering an offer whilst managing a relatively small club like Swansea but since coming here I think he's settled that itch
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Postby damjan193 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:01 pm

woof woof ! » Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:12 am wrote:From Daily Mail

Brendan Rodgers has confirmed the news that Harry Redknapp had asked the former Swansea boss to join him in the England set-up if Redknapp were to get the job.

As part of Sportsmail's exclusive serialising of Redknapp's book, Always Managing: My Autobiography by Harry Redknapp, it was revealed that the now QPR boss was so confident that he was going to be offered the England job, he'd even asked Rodgers if he'd consider being his No.2

Backing up Redknapp's side of the story, Rodgers said: 'My version was that last April when I was at Swansea, Harry asked me (about the England job) after the game.

'It was a unique conversation as he was confident - as was the nation - that he would get the job. It was a quick conversation and I was aware that he wanted me to do it.

'I would have certainly considered it. The thing about Harry is that he is a wonderful chemist and he knows what he wants from his teams.

'It says everything about him that he would have had another Premier League manager working alongside him.'

Rodgers continued: 'There was no, yes or no. The job went to Roy and he has done brilliant.

'I had spoken to Swansea, but after the appointment was made that there was no further thought. A unique chance for British football to show what we can do.'

Rodgers was speaking ahead of Liverpool's game against Newcastle on Saturday - for which he claims the Reds will have their 'strongest squad of the season.'

He added: 'Glen Johnson is back. Joe Allen will be back and so to Aly Cissokho'


Do you think if it (the opportunity) came up again he'd "consider it " ?

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I don't think that Rodgers would ever accept being No.2.
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Postby woof woof ! » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:36 pm

From the Guardian

Brendan Rodgers believes dull coaches are holding back English players



Harry Redknapp may be beating a lonely drum in continuing to complain about his treatment by the FA over the England job last year, though to give credit where it is due he did identify the right man to help modernise coaching in this country.

Brendan Rodgers, who confirmed this week that Redknapp approached him over becoming his England assistant while he was still at Swansea City, passionately believes this country produces players who are as technically gifted as their European counterparts, only to be held back by unimaginative coaches.

"I've thought for years that this country produces players as good as those from anywhere else in the world," the Liverpool manager said. "But often you find they have been told they are not technically good enough or taught not to pass the ball in certain situations. I always remember Chris Waddle being told he didn't work hard enough when he played in this country, then as soon as he moved to Marseille he was considered world-class. There's Glenn Hoddle as well, and when you look at the more recent technicians we've had here, European Cup winners like Paul Scholes and Steven Gerrard, you cannot say we can't play football in this country."

Rodgers would not go as far as to suggest that the so-called golden generation turned out to be a wasted one – "that is maybe a bit harsh and I wouldn't want to disrespect any coach who has taken the players" – though he does feel that the system in England tends to stifle natural talent.

"I would say talent can be coached out of players, absolutely," he said. "It's just fear. It is easier to get rid of the ball than to pass it, and I understand that as a coach you need to win games, so you smash the ball up the pitch so you don't lose your job. But don't then say that is the type of player we have in this country because it is not. Boys here know how to pass. We need to stop blaming the players because it is not their fault. The problem is the coaching."

St George's Park is supposed to produce better qualified coaches and a coherent strategy in time, though while Rodgers admires the facilities he believes a change in philosophy would be more important. "It's a very impressive site and in terms of facilities we are way ahead of most Europeans now, but that is not as important as a philosophy, a belief in how you want to play.

"We had no facilities whatsoever at Swansea, we used to train on an AstroTurf pitch and get showered with the general public, yet everyone was talking about how we played football. It is well known that British players will work their socks off, but they also have technique and tactical understanding that they can use if you give them the confidence they need. We have got fantastic talent here, look at the young boy [Ravel] Morrison. What a mover. We have a young kid at Liverpool called Jordan Ibe. If you were to come away after watching him for the first time you would probably guess he was Spanish or Brazilian, he moves that well.

"You want to keep that balance and fluidity in a player, not coach it out of them. You do need to work on tactical discipline, but you have to strike the right balance between coaching and over-coaching. The whole reason I got involved in coaching was because I felt British players were technically and tactically very strong but they weren't always given the support and confidence necessary to express themselves."
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:48 pm

i think it`s worth mentioning how well rodgers has done defending the likes of gerrard, hendo, the club and even himself in the wake of fergusons remarks in his biography. rodgers isnt vastly experienced nor has he won a plethora of trophies but it hasnt stopped him exchanging words with one of the most powerful figures in the english game. it`s one thing to have a go at ferguson when you are a figure like dalglish or benitez who have won the top prizes in the game but brendan is just starting out on that journey. some (if not practically all) young managers would be wary of getting into a confrontation with ferguson but rodgers certainly isnt.
i couldnt see hodgson criticising ferguson if he was still in charge.
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:36 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:48 am wrote:i think it`s worth mentioning how well rodgers has done defending the likes of gerrard, hendo, the club and even himself in the wake of fergusons remarks in his biography. rodgers isnt vastly experienced nor has he won a plethora of trophies but it hasnt stopped him exchanging words with one of the most powerful figures in the english game. it`s one thing to have a go at ferguson when you are a figure like dalglish or benitez who have won the top prizes in the game but brendan is just starting out on that journey. some (if not practically all) young managers would be wary of getting into a confrontation with ferguson but rodgers certainly isnt.
i couldnt see hodgson criticising ferguson if he was still in charge.



Jeez, if Hodgson was still in charge Gerrard would have been dropped and he'd probably have had Henderson sent to a specialist to sort his "gait" until demento was happy!!

Rodgers has handled himself impeccably over the ramblings of a seemingly senile old man and the fact he's had digs back has impressed me.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:47 pm

He has indeed - impressed with the reaction from BR and also from Henderson
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Postby woof woof ! » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:02 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:48 pm wrote:i think it`s worth mentioning how well rodgers has done defending the likes of gerrard, hendo, the club and even himself in the wake of fergusons remarks in his biography.


I don't get why we're all so "impressed" with out managers reaction. He defended "gerrard, hendo, the club and even himself"  WTF would we otherwise expect ?

Personally I'd have been more impressed if he'd stuck it to Ferguson as Rafa might have done,  i.e "it's sad when a once successful but ageing manager who is no longer in the game having lost his grip feels the need to denigrate great players in order to sell a few books"

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