aCe' » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:10 pm wrote:To be perfectly honest, I think many are going way over the top in their defense of Rodgers and the job he's done so far. I've stayed out of the whole discussion since he took over but it's a sad state when Liverpool fans of all people are talking about seeing major improvements when the side is 13th in the league, out in the second round of a cup competition and struggling to get past the first round of another. And its not just that, Rodgers seems to make mistakes across the spectrum and many of the problems we currently have are ones that were directly caused by HIS actions since taking over.
Tactically, he has been a disappointment for me. This is the area were I expected him to make the most impact. I thought the defense (particularly at home) would be much stronger. So far, we have conceded 16 goals in the league despite having a strong back4, a top goalkeeper, and decent options on the bench (all of whom are under-performing). In midfield, 2 new acquisitions in Allen & Sahin have so far failed to impress. Both do little to impact down either end and while Allen has shown glimpses of what he can offer in the future, the big problem we have in that area is the lack of balance. Rodgers is yet to get the best out of Gerrard, and I just cant understand why Sahin is continually favored in the attacking role over our skipper. Upfront, we have good prospects in Sterling and Suso. Both are overplayed as far Im concerned and between them they contributed 1 goal and 2 assists in 27 combined appearances this season. A player like Downing, who has more experience and one who has found the net 2 times so far in Europe with an assist, got a total of 140minutes across 4 games in the league despite our limited options down the flanks! Perhaps most alarming about all the above is the fact that we just dont seem to have a PLAN regarding how things could improve. Atm, I struggle to see what Rodgers is trying to implement on the pitch when we have the ball. Besides passing it around and eventually having it end up at Suarez we just dont seem able to carve out goal scoring chances or any opportunities of note. In many ways, Suarez -and his individual brilliance- is the only things stopping us from sliding further down the table. Defensively we're poor, and going forward we're a one man team.
Another thing that many seem to use as an excuse for Rodgers is the current state of our squad. Our lack of options down the flanks and upfront are obviously having a negative impact on our chances. But Rodgers has to take the brunt of the blame on this one rather than the owners. Getting rid of Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, and Carroll without replacing them with players of similar of better quality has cost us so far. His transfers (Allen, Borini, Assaidi & Sahin on loan) have cost more or less 30mill yet still fail to addressthe same problems and issues we've had since last season. Overall, I would say his transfers have weakened the side and left us in a worse state than we were when he took over. We can talk about the wage bill being reduced all day long but the bottom line is that the manager spent a net of over 20mill, let a 35mill striker go out on loan, and ended up with a worse squad than the one he had. Again, the silver lining, theres no way but up from there. Hopefully January brings in the type of players we need to progress.
On a side note and despite the circumstances, I'm delighted to see the likes of Wisdom, Shelvey, Sterling and Suso being given a chance by the manager. They all seem to be future starters in the making and Rodgers has to take credit for having the courage to afford them opportunities in the first team.
aCe' » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:10 pm wrote:To be perfectly honest, I think many are going way over the top in their defense of Rodgers and the job he's done so far. I've stayed out of the whole discussion since he took over but it's a sad state when Liverpool fans of all people are talking about seeing major improvements when the side is 13th in the league, out in the second round of a cup competition and struggling to get past the first round of another. And its not just that, Rodgers seems to make mistakes across the spectrum and many of the problems we currently have are ones that were directly caused by HIS actions since taking over.
Tactically, he has been a disappointment for me. This is the area were I expected him to make the most impact. I thought the defense (particularly at home) would be much stronger. So far, we have conceded 16 goals in the league despite having a strong back4, a top goalkeeper, and decent options on the bench (all of whom are under-performing). In midfield, 2 new acquisitions in Allen & Sahin have so far failed to impress. Both do little to impact down either end and while Allen has shown glimpses of what he can offer in the future, the big problem we have in that area is the lack of balance. Rodgers is yet to get the best out of Gerrard, and I just cant understand why Sahin is continually favored in the attacking role over our skipper. Upfront, we have good prospects in Sterling and Suso. Both are overplayed as far Im concerned and between them they contributed 1 goal and 2 assists in 27 combined appearances this season. A player like Downing, who has more experience and one who has found the net 2 times so far in Europe with an assist, got a total of 140minutes across 4 games in the league despite our limited options down the flanks! Perhaps most alarming about all the above is the fact that we just dont seem to have a PLAN regarding how things could improve. Atm, I struggle to see what Rodgers is trying to implement on the pitch when we have the ball. Besides passing it around and eventually having it end up at Suarez we just dont seem able to carve out goal scoring chances or any opportunities of note. In many ways, Suarez -and his individual brilliance- is the only things stopping us from sliding further down the table. Defensively we're poor, and going forward we're a one man team.
Another thing that many seem to use as an excuse for Rodgers is the current state of our squad. Our lack of options down the flanks and upfront are obviously having a negative impact on our chances. But Rodgers has to take the brunt of the blame on this one rather than the owners. Getting rid of Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, and Carroll without replacing them with players of similar of better quality has cost us so far. His transfers (Allen, Borini, Assaidi & Sahin on loan) have cost more or less 30mill yet still fail to addressthe same problems and issues we've had since last season. Overall, I would say his transfers have weakened the side and left us in a worse state than we were when he took over. We can talk about the wage bill being reduced all day long but the bottom line is that the manager spent a net of over 20mill, let a 35mill striker go out on loan, and ended up with a worse squad than the one he had. Again, the silver lining, theres no way but up from there. Hopefully January brings in the type of players we need to progress.
On a side note and despite the circumstances, I'm delighted to see the likes of Wisdom, Shelvey, Sterling and Suso being given a chance by the manager. They all seem to be future starters in the making and Rodgers has to take credit for having the courage to afford them opportunities in the first team.
aCe' » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:10 pm wrote:To be perfectly honest, I think many are going way over the top in their defense of Rodgers and the job he's done so far. I've stayed out of the whole discussion since he took over but it's a sad state when Liverpool fans of all people are talking about seeing major improvements when the side is 13th in the league, out in the second round of a cup competition and struggling to get past the first round of another. And its not just that, Rodgers seems to make mistakes across the spectrum and many of the problems we currently have are ones that were directly caused by HIS actions since taking over.
Tactically, he has been a disappointment for me. This is the area were I expected him to make the most impact. I thought the defense (particularly at home) would be much stronger. So far, we have conceded 16 goals in the league despite having a strong back4, a top goalkeeper, and decent options on the bench (all of whom are under-performing). In midfield, 2 new acquisitions in Allen & Sahin have so far failed to impress. Both do little to impact down either end and while Allen has shown glimpses of what he can offer in the future, the big problem we have in that area is the lack of balance. Rodgers is yet to get the best out of Gerrard, and I just cant understand why Sahin is continually favored in the attacking role over our skipper. Upfront, we have good prospects in Sterling and Suso. Both are overplayed as far Im concerned and between them they contributed 1 goal and 2 assists in 27 combined appearances this season. A player like Downing, who has more experience and one who has found the net 2 times so far in Europe with an assist, got a total of 140minutes across 4 games in the league despite our limited options down the flanks! Perhaps most alarming about all the above is the fact that we just dont seem to have a PLAN regarding how things could improve. Atm, I struggle to see what Rodgers is trying to implement on the pitch when we have the ball. Besides passing it around and eventually having it end up at Suarez we just dont seem able to carve out goal scoring chances or any opportunities of note. In many ways, Suarez -and his individual brilliance- is the only things stopping us from sliding further down the table. Defensively we're poor, and going forward we're a one man team.
Another thing that many seem to use as an excuse for Rodgers is the current state of our squad. Our lack of options down the flanks and upfront are obviously having a negative impact on our chances. But Rodgers has to take the brunt of the blame on this one rather than the owners. Getting rid of Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, and Carroll without replacing them with players of similar of better quality has cost us so far. His transfers (Allen, Borini, Assaidi & Sahin on loan) have cost more or less 30mill yet still fail to addressthe same problems and issues we've had since last season. Overall, I would say his transfers have weakened the side and left us in a worse state than we were when he took over. We can talk about the wage bill being reduced all day long but the bottom line is that the manager spent a net of over 20mill, let a 35mill striker go out on loan, and ended up with a worse squad than the one he had. Again, the silver lining, theres no way but up from there. Hopefully January brings in the type of players we need to progress.
On a side note and despite the circumstances, I'm delighted to see the likes of Wisdom, Shelvey, Sterling and Suso being given a chance by the manager. They all seem to be future starters in the making and Rodgers has to take credit for having the courage to afford them opportunities in the first team.
redno7 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:17 pm wrote:razor blade anyone?
Jesus wept.
Things really are not that bad. Yes we're 13th but come on, BR got shut of some deadwood. Then the window shut and that is that until January. So he has to put a team out every week that he thinks can manage against the oppo. sometimes it works, sometimes we can't compete but he can only do what he can do! Come January he'll know exactly who he needs to help the cause. He'll get the backing and get the players and we'll have a better 2nd half of season. Then in summer he'll do the same again. Thats BR's first season aim. He needs to see what he's got so he can know how to strengthen it. You can't expect him to just wave a wand and sort it all out before we've kicked a ball?
come on lads, we're not daft and neither is BR.
Ola Mr Benitez » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:15 pm wrote:redno7 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:17 pm wrote:razor blade anyone?
Jesus wept.
Things really are not that bad. Yes we're 13th but come on, BR got shut of some deadwood. Then the window shut and that is that until January. So he has to put a team out every week that he thinks can manage against the oppo. sometimes it works, sometimes we can't compete but he can only do what he can do! Come January he'll know exactly who he needs to help the cause. He'll get the backing and get the players and we'll have a better 2nd half of season. Then in summer he'll do the same again. Thats BR's first season aim. He needs to see what he's got so he can know how to strengthen it. You can't expect him to just wave a wand and sort it all out before we've kicked a ball?
come on lads, we're not daft and neither is BR.
Whats all this about?... common sense has no place here8 points off 4th is not a disaster and the league is very bunched up, a few wins can see you move up pretty quickly. We need to have a good transfer window in Jan and I think we will see a quick improvement. I would love Huntelaar as he knows where the goal is and has alerady played with Surez so should fit in quickly
aCe' » Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:10 pm wrote:To be perfectly honest, I think many are going way over the top in their defense of Rodgers and the job he's done so far. I've stayed out of the whole discussion since he took over but it's a sad state when Liverpool fans of all people are talking about seeing major improvements when the side is 13th in the league, out in the second round of a cup competition and struggling to get past the first round of another. And its not just that, Rodgers seems to make mistakes across the spectrum and many of the problems we currently have are ones that were directly caused by HIS actions since taking over.
Tactically, he has been a disappointment for me. This is the area were I expected him to make the most impact. I thought the defense (particularly at home) would be much stronger. So far, we have conceded 16 goals in the league despite having a strong back4, a top goalkeeper, and decent options on the bench (all of whom are under-performing). In midfield, 2 new acquisitions in Allen & Sahin have so far failed to impress. Both do little to impact down either end and while Allen has shown glimpses of what he can offer in the future, the big problem we have in that area is the lack of balance. Rodgers is yet to get the best out of Gerrard, and I just cant understand why Sahin is continually favored in the attacking role over our skipper. Upfront, we have good prospects in Sterling and Suso. Both are overplayed as far Im concerned and between them they contributed 1 goal and 2 assists in 27 combined appearances this season. A player like Downing, who has more experience and one who has found the net 2 times so far in Europe with an assist, got a total of 140minutes across 4 games in the league despite our limited options down the flanks! Perhaps most alarming about all the above is the fact that we just dont seem to have a PLAN regarding how things could improve. Atm, I struggle to see what Rodgers is trying to implement on the pitch when we have the ball. Besides passing it around and eventually having it end up at Suarez we just dont seem able to carve out goal scoring chances or any opportunities of note. In many ways, Suarez -and his individual brilliance- is the only things stopping us from sliding further down the table. Defensively we're poor, and going forward we're a one man team.
Another thing that many seem to use as an excuse for Rodgers is the current state of our squad. Our lack of options down the flanks and upfront are obviously having a negative impact on our chances. But Rodgers has to take the brunt of the blame on this one rather than the owners. Getting rid of Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, and Carroll without replacing them with players of similar of better quality has cost us so far. His transfers (Allen, Borini, Assaidi & Sahin on loan) have cost more or less 30mill yet still fail to addressthe same problems and issues we've had since last season. Overall, I would say his transfers have weakened the side and left us in a worse state than we were when he took over. We can talk about the wage bill being reduced all day long but the bottom line is that the manager spent a net of over 20mill, let a 35mill striker go out on loan, and ended up with a worse squad than the one he had. Again, the silver lining, theres no way but up from there. Hopefully January brings in the type of players we need to progress.
On a side note and despite the circumstances, I'm delighted to see the likes of Wisdom, Shelvey, Sterling and Suso being given a chance by the manager. They all seem to be future starters in the making and Rodgers has to take credit for having the courage to afford them opportunities in the first team.
RedHands » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:44 pm wrote:Think Rodgers is fantastic. I think he'll do really well IF he gets backing in the transfer market. I love the way we are playing at the moment.
My only criticism of him is Andy Carrol. We will perhaps never know what kind of promises were made to BR about him getting another player if he loaned AC. BUT I think AC could have helped us a lot this year in tricky away fixtures or against teams like Stoke, Everton, and West Ham (or today against Chelsea). Or games where its raining and a little more difficult to pass the ball about. Surely, having him for those games and for cover for Suarez is worth the 7m/year we are saving by loaning him to WHU. Its mind boggling.
heimdall » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:32 pm wrote:RedHands » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:44 pm wrote:Think Rodgers is fantastic. I think he'll do really well IF he gets backing in the transfer market. I love the way we are playing at the moment.
My only criticism of him is Andy Carrol. We will perhaps never know what kind of promises were made to BR about him getting another player if he loaned AC. BUT I think AC could have helped us a lot this year in tricky away fixtures or against teams like Stoke, Everton, and West Ham (or today against Chelsea). Or games where its raining and a little more difficult to pass the ball about. Surely, having him for those games and for cover for Suarez is worth the 7m/year we are saving by loaning him to WHU. Its mind boggling.
Do you think Carroll would have been more effective for us this season than he was last season, do you remember how cr@ppy he was? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire at West Ham has he?
heimdall » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:32 pm wrote:RedHands » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:44 pm wrote:Think Rodgers is fantastic. I think he'll do really well IF he gets backing in the transfer market. I love the way we are playing at the moment.
My only criticism of him is Andy Carrol. We will perhaps never know what kind of promises were made to BR about him getting another player if he loaned AC. BUT I think AC could have helped us a lot this year in tricky away fixtures or against teams like Stoke, Everton, and West Ham (or today against Chelsea). Or games where its raining and a little more difficult to pass the ball about. Surely, having him for those games and for cover for Suarez is worth the 7m/year we are saving by loaning him to WHU. Its mind boggling.
Do you think Carroll would have been more effective for us this season than he was last season, do you remember how cr@ppy he was? He hasn't exactly set the world on fire at West Ham has he?
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