Liverpool FC Forum

[maguskwt]

We can speculate whether Kenny will be leaving the post or not. Ultimately it's up to FSG. I am of the opinion that if we can find someone better than KD, then please appoint him otherwise don't change manager for the sake of changing. I think we did that with replacing Rafa with Hodgson.

I don't think Rafa should have been sacked back in 2010 for just one bad season finishing 7th. Look at where we'll most likely finish this time? One can only wonder what Rafa could have done in the PL with FSG's money if Rafa were still manager today.

dont you understand that we are so ***** in the prem due to Rafa building a great CL team?
even Rafa said himself it was a danger game he was playing, he know the risk and it bite him, we ended up 7th that year due to a CL team not working in the prem. It would have been very hard for Rafa to turn his wasy around and build a prem team. Rafa a great CL manager but that where it stops.
even when he spoke about the young players he was bring into the club he spoke about how that would do in the CL.

We nedded a manager to rebuild the club into a prem team, that is what Kenny is doing, its going to take time, giving him the sack would just mean another guy coming in and starting back from where Kenny first took over.
Give Kenny the time and will build us into a great Pream team.

we need to stop looking back at Rafa and saying how good he was.....lets face it he is finding it bloody hard to get another job so that tells you what other clubs think of him.

what a load of ***** as usual by lakes...

are you gonna tell us that a premier league team doesn't want mascherano in the side? Are you gonna tell us that a premier league team doesn't want Alonso in the side? are you gonna tell us that Torres back then was not scoring in the league? Are you gonna tell us that Agger, our best defender wasn't bought by Rafa? and Skrtle who we have been praising recently could not walk into a premier league side? Are you gonna tell us that we didn't break our league points total 2 times under Rafa? Are you also gonna tell us that we didn't push the mancs all the way for the title in 2009?

Rafa was playing a dangerous game because his hands were tied by the owners who wants profit more than success on the pitch. That's where Rafa had to do wheeling and dealing. And that's why there were so many players in and out a fact which is always used against Rafa. No one can honestly deny that Rafa was sacked after one bad season. If you don't want him to return that's fine. But don't talk a load of *****... 

[Reg]

I'd rather get rid of Lakes than Kenny.

[devaney]

I'd rather get rid of Lakes than Kenny.

Get rid of them both! They both talk an awful lot of sh.ite!        Sorry Kenny but I'm still getting over spending a fortune on Tuesday night and then having to listen to your absurd excuses after the game! If this is a work in progress then we are fkd !!

NOW GO AND WIN THE FA CUP AND GIVE US SOME PRIDE BACK AFTER TURNING US INTO A PREMIER LEAGUE DISGRACE! 10 points out of 39 is relegation standard!

Lakes you are off your fkg head but I think quite a few of us have had our suspicions for a very long time! Only joking mate but I don't think you have called this one correctly. Rafa was a casualty of the H & G ownership but he certainly made plenty of mistakes. A shed load of money spent on the seriously injured and fragile Aquilani was not his greatest hour.The managing of Alonso was not good! His Rant at Ferguson was a sign that the pressure was getting to him.I got fed up with Rafa but I always liked him as a person and will be forever grateful for May 2005!. His poker face was more than a bit annoying but would I have him back? I can think of a lot worse things to do given that he would be working with a very different ownership and club atmosphere.

[lakes10]

We can speculate whether Kenny will be leaving the post or not. Ultimately it's up to FSG. I am of the opinion that if we can find someone better than KD, then please appoint him otherwise don't change manager for the sake of changing. I think we did that with replacing Rafa with Hodgson.

I don't think Rafa should have been sacked back in 2010 for just one bad season finishing 7th. Look at where we'll most likely finish this time? One can only wonder what Rafa could have done in the PL with FSG's money if Rafa were still manager today.

dont you understand that we are so ***** in the prem due to Rafa building a great CL team?
even Rafa said himself it was a danger game he was playing, he know the risk and it bite him, we ended up 7th that year due to a CL team not working in the prem. It would have been very hard for Rafa to turn his wasy around and build a prem team. Rafa a great CL manager but that where it stops.
even when he spoke about the young players he was bring into the club he spoke about how that would do in the CL.

We nedded a manager to rebuild the club into a prem team, that is what Kenny is doing, its going to take time, giving him the sack would just mean another guy coming in and starting back from where Kenny first took over.
Give Kenny the time and will build us into a great Pream team.

we need to stop looking back at Rafa and saying how good he was.....lets face it he is finding it bloody hard to get another job so that tells you what other clubs think of him.

what a load of ***** as usual by lakes...

are you gonna tell us that a premier league team doesn't want mascherano in the side? Are you gonna tell us that a premier league team doesn't want Alonso in the side? are you gonna tell us that Torres back then was not scoring in the league? Are you gonna tell us that Agger, our best defender wasn't bought by Rafa? and Skrtle who we have been praising recently could not walk into a premier league side? Are you gonna tell us that we didn't break our league points total 2 times under Rafa? Are you also gonna tell us that we didn't push the mancs all the way for the title in 2009?

Rafa was playing a dangerous game because his hands were tied by the owners who wants profit more than success on the pitch. That's where Rafa had to do wheeling and dealing. And that's why there were so many players in and out a fact which is always used against Rafa. No one can honestly deny that Rafa was sacked after one bad season. If you don't want him to return that's fine. But don't talk a load of *****... 

dont give me this Sh*t that Rafas hands were tied, Rafa signed ... 76 players
sorry but thats a fact.
he built a team to win the CL and not the prem, he new the risk and has even spoken about it on the BBC.
he had only a 1 in 10 good buy rate, thats shocking.

anyway at the end of the day he has been sacked so move on from Rafa, this is about Kenny....about a manager that won the old div 1 with this club as a player and manager.

Kenny has work to do and we are playing better football than we have done in the last two years, yes the results have not gone his way but that can be the case sometimes, the results will come.

[SouthCoastShankly]

We can speculate whether Kenny will be leaving the post or not. Ultimately it's up to FSG. I am of the opinion that if we can find someone better than KD, then please appoint him otherwise don't change manager for the sake of changing. I think we did that with replacing Rafa with Hodgson.

I don't think Rafa should have been sacked back in 2010 for just one bad season finishing 7th. Look at where we'll most likely finish this time? One can only wonder what Rafa could have done in the PL with FSG's money if Rafa were still manager today.

dont you understand that we are so ***** in the prem due to Rafa building a great CL team?
even Rafa said himself it was a danger game he was playing, he know the risk and it bite him, we ended up 7th that year due to a CL team not working in the prem. It would have been very hard for Rafa to turn his wasy around and build a prem team. Rafa a great CL manager but that where it stops.
even when he spoke about the young players he was bring into the club he spoke about how that would do in the CL.

We nedded a manager to rebuild the club into a prem team, that is what Kenny is doing, its going to take time, giving him the sack would just mean another guy coming in and starting back from where Kenny first took over.
Give Kenny the time and will build us into a great Pream team.

we need to stop looking back at Rafa and saying how good he was.....lets face it he is finding it bloody hard to get another job so that tells you what other clubs think of him.

what a load of ***** as usual by lakes...

are you gonna tell us that a premier league team doesn't want mascherano in the side? Are you gonna tell us that a premier league team doesn't want Alonso in the side? are you gonna tell us that Torres back then was not scoring in the league? Are you gonna tell us that Agger, our best defender wasn't bought by Rafa? and Skrtle who we have been praising recently could not walk into a premier league side? Are you gonna tell us that we didn't break our league points total 2 times under Rafa? Are you also gonna tell us that we didn't push the mancs all the way for the title in 2009?

Rafa was playing a dangerous game because his hands were tied by the owners who wants profit more than success on the pitch. That's where Rafa had to do wheeling and dealing. And that's why there were so many players in and out a fact which is always used against Rafa. No one can honestly deny that Rafa was sacked after one bad season. If you don't want him to return that's fine. But don't talk a load of *****... 

We finished 2nd with a CL side. You do the maths lakes.

[Kenny Kan]

I'd rather get rid of Lakes than Kenny.

[jacdaniel]

I never understand why people think Rafa was so bad in the transfer market.  Kenny's back 6 includes 5 of Rafa's players.

Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Kuyt, Garcia, Arbeloa, Johnson, Yossi were all very good signings.  There was plenty of others like Crouch, Bellamy + Riera that did a good job for the club also.

If it wasn't a case of needing to sell to buy we would of had an even better squad and maybe won the PL.

[devaney]

Lakes - Rafa spent net £70m - a bit over £11m net on average for each of his 6 years of managing LFC. He bought 59 players for £232m and sold 72 players for £162m. If I'm really generous and credit him with the sale of Torres then he actually spent next to nothing.

How much do you seriously think we could get for Adam,Carroll,Henderson and Downing? Those players cost £80m. Could you currently get more than £40m for them? Kenny's only real financial success to date in the transfer market has been Suarez. The jury is out on Coates and Enrique is not the player he was when he first arrived. Rafa make some co.ck ups over 6 years which every manager does. Kenny (and Comolli) appear to have made some monumental mistakes in a relatively short time. How you actually can consider this as a positive attempt to develop a title winning team is completely beyond my understanding. 10 points out of the last 40 must tell you something. And please don't bring up bad luck or the woodwork!

[tubby]

People have short minds. I wonder how many would give to have that team under Rafa back again.

In any case past is past and we need to move on. It looks like Kenny is going to get some more wonga to spend at at least another year in the job. It's simple really, if we don't see an improvement next season then FSG will surely replace him and no one can really argue at having 2 years in a job plus more money than any previous Liverpool manager to spend.

I just hope he gets his signings right this time.

[RichardLFC1]

He hasn't got any signings wrong. They just haven't performed as well as the should have. Carroll has improved immensely and Henderson has such a great work rate and a lot of potential. Enrique was fantastic but has drifted off.

Adam and Downing are my only concerns more so downing because we need a winger. But as they say it's only there 1st season

[Roger Red Hat]

He hasn't got any signings wrong. They just haven't performed as well as the should have. Carroll has improved immensely and Henderson has such a great work rate and a lot of potential. Enrique was fantastic but has drifted off.

Adam and Downing are my only concerns more so downing because we need a winger. But as they say it's only there 1st season

thats what I keep harping on about too mate, Carroll was bang on his game, scoring for fun so Kenny signed him. Thats not a WRONG signing at all. Same with Downing, he was playing on top of his game so we signed him. Enrique the same and Hendo looked like the next big thing.

can't blame Kenny for any of them. He bought the players that were right up there. them under performing is not a reflection on Kennys signing.

[Eagle]

He hasn't got any signings wrong. They just haven't performed as well as the should have. Carroll has improved immensely and Henderson has such a great work rate and a lot of potential. Enrique was fantastic but has drifted off.

Adam and Downing are my only concerns more so downing because we need a winger. But as they say it's only there 1st season

thats what I keep harping on about too mate, Carroll was bang on his game, scoring for fun so Kenny signed him. Thats not a WRONG signing at all. Same with Downing, he was playing on top of his game so we signed him. Enrique the same and Hendo looked like the next big thing.

can't blame Kenny for any of them. He bought the players that were right up there. them under performing is not a reflection on Kennys signing.

So it’s a reflection of Kenny’s management?

[Roger Red Hat]

i'm not sure mate really but those players were in good form before they came here

[RedAnt]

i'm not sure mate really but those players were in good form before they came here

Well this forum exhibits beautifully the pressure increase from moving from Villa, the Toon, Sunderland, and co to Liverpool FC. The players and the manager were expected by a large number of fans to simply slot in and make us into the awesome team we once were. Then when they fail to be an instant success, these fans call for wholesale changes from the ground and up. Sell Caroll, he's sh*t...Hendo's useless, the Legend that is Kenny Dalglish has been away to long and has forgotten everything he ever knew about football. We need to shift all our new players on and magically summon up some superstars who will do what last years lot failed to do. And if they fail, well they'll have to be moved on too because clearly we want, need and deserve to be up there and we will wait no longer! Even if we chop and change managers and players over the next 30 years and never win a thing, it's still better than giving one of our own, Kenny Daligish, the time, support and faith he needs.

Many of our fans I feel have their foot on Kenny's head and want him to drown. They treat the players with the same fickle contempt too. How can anyone perform in any walk of life, when you have those who are supposed support you breathing over your shoulder all the time, tutting, grunting, sighing, booing, muttering about job security?

It's the modern way i'm afraid, and if these so called fans had a choice they'd tear up our history books, p*ss all over Shankly's statue, dismantle the team and staff, and reconstruct us as Chelsea's Mini-Me.

[jacdaniel]

i'm not sure mate really but those players were in good form before they came here

Thats true.  Suppose its a big step up coming to Liverpool.  Like Roy Hodgson doing a decent job at small clubs but when a big job comes along he can't handle it. 

Sometimes transfers just don't work out though.  Look at Morientes.