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[Thommo's perm]

The knives are out and people will use anything against KK now
It is one thing being upset and frustrated, even angry with the situation but to be flat out ripping into our manager in this way is not only disrespectful and uncalled for, it is dangerous and damaging to LFC
Yes be annoyed and concerned, but dont be hysterical and so fearful that you would jepordise the future of the club with such language and behaviour as we are currently seeing

Were you saying this when the entire Anfield faithful was jeering Roy Hodgson? When entire Internet forums and phone in shows had irrate Liverpool supporters slating Hodgson to the hilt? Probably not, that's the problem. Hodgson wasn't a legend of the club, so he wasn't immune to criticism, where as it appears Kenny is, but even his good friend John Barnes says that Kenny isn't immune from criticism and the fact remains that Kenny's management record this season hasn't been great has it? Kenny deserves criticism and if he is dismissed in the summer, as saddened as I'll be to see him leave, I'll fully understand FSG's decision to dismiss him.

I mean Christ on a bicycle, this season has been dog excrement. Had Benitez, Houllier or Evans served up this nonsense, then you'd be the first person calling for the managers head, yet it seems Kenny isn't considered worthy of criticism in your eyes. I'll still stand by Kenny, but I am not happy with his management, he needs to really look in the mirror in the summer and get a grip because he seems more out of depth as Liverpool manager this time around than Hodgson did when he arrived.

I was actually one of those who asked for Roy to have more time as I dont think that knee jerk reactions are always best. KK isnt immune to criticism and I believe he deserves some, absolutely, because his record in the league hasnt been great
I wouldnt have, and didnt call for any of those three peoples head after one season, or even two if I remember rightly and I dont see why you think I believe KK is above criticism? I actually agree with you and have said he needs to do some real soul searching in the summer.
Just because Im not screaming like a banshee for his head doesnt mean Im not gutted. But Im a supporter and I believe in getting behind our manager and as Churchill said "If youre going through hell, keep going!"

[Thommo's perm]

If we finish runners up on Saturday then I don't think Kenny has any right to expect to be our manager next season. £100m investment (more than any other manager has had in our history) and we might only have a Carling Cup to show for it, that's not what I'd call a worthy return. Our league form has been shocking this season and Dalglish is to blame for it as much as the players are, because he doesn't seem to have a Plan A or a Plan B or a Plan C. It's almost like we're just plodding along, with our fingers crossed hoping that we'd stumble upon a good run of form and that will be that. I cannot believe this club sacked Rafa Benitez, because if fans thought we were underachieving under his management, then heavens forbid what those same fans must be thinking now. If I was Benitez I'd be feeling quite smug now, because we really had it good under his management and it could have been greater, but it would have never gotten this bad.

Maybe not, but it could be argued that Rafa was the start of this when he lost the plot and the dressing room
The Roy came in and couldnt (or wasnt allowed to) try and turn it around
Cue KK who has jumped in the deep end and seems to be struggling to stay afloat, especially with some people putting their foot on his head

Always agreed with Thommo's view points. But whilst i'm as keen to hold onto our history and culture, I fear perhaps the americans haven't been submerged in all things LFC for long enough to absorb it. I posted elsewhere that part of me wonders if Kenny's stepping down has already been agreed and for motivational reasons and purposes of dignity, he will finish this season with a shot at the FA Cup. Whilst i'm not for the idea, i'd not raise any eyebrows if his replacement is already prepared.

Maybe so mate, but I would much prefer that to sacking him and then looking for a new manager.
Not that I think this will happen by the way

[friendlyguy33]

I thought it was probably the worst performance of the season and in terms of the team selection this was Kenny's Northampton because he should have had one of Suarez, Gerrard or Bellamy on the bench tonight, if not two of them. I don't think anyone would have got injured tonight the selection was over cautious. Also Downing should have started the game.

I looked at that lineup and feared the worst. The ball was given away too frequently Spearing and Shelvey early on looked uncomfortable together. Henderson was anoynymous Kuyt was running everywhere as usual but to little effect Maxi with shots over the bar made no difference.

That said I think it was bang out of order in cup final week for McAteer and Fairclough to berate the players in the way that they did after the game on LFCTV. Claire Rourke found it a bit awkward I thought having to deal with that situation. I find these after match reviews on poor performances with ex players a bit bizarre. They deliberately chose not to attack Kenny tonight for his decisions with the team though they made various comments across the bows about the team that was picked.

Regardless of saturday's result things need to change in the summer but I'm not really sure that some of the things that were said about the players tonight were either justified or appropriate in the circumstances and quite honestly came over to me as a bit below the belt.

[D___C]

he should have had one of Suarez, Gerrard or Bellamy on the bench tonight, if not two of them.

I looked at that lineup and feared the worst. The ball was given away too frequently Spearing and Shelvey early on looked uncomfortable together. Henderson was anoynymous.

The line up tonight was the correct one.  Suarez, Gerrard, Bellamy, Agger, Johnson, Reina were rightly nowhere near the side.

The midfield was dreadful... spearing, shelvey, henderson... if that was three reserve players who got no more than 2 first team games per season that would be fine (such as Spearings token run out against Real Madrid in the 4-0). But these are three regulars, and two out of three will likely feature at Wembley. The nosedive in standard of personnel has been appalling. We have 5 wins at home all season, thats relegation form.

I heard Kenny speak about attitude post match. Boll'cks. Attitude wasnt the problem, lack of talent was. All of Fulham's front six are better players than what we had, and generally the better players will win. They also hit the post and Dempsey missed a great chance. Would never fault the effort or commitment of the players, the lack of talent is the issue. Had we had a complete team of reserve players no one would be that arsed at losing at home to Fulham.. but we didn't and thats the concern.

[parchpea]

For the most part of the campaign all we have listened too is hard luck
stories and conspiracy theories then they lead us into false hope in a
cup game and we buy right back in.

Its like being with a woman that lets you down and cheats but she
shows up once every 6 weeks and you think its back on then the
cycle is repeated. Thats not acceptable and neithers this.

It wasnt a good day for the owners yesterday either and you wonder
how the project is being percieved over the pond. They fire a manager
and hire a DOF and with £120m go from 6th to 8th when they wanted
4th. In the same month they have sacked their DOF and the coach they
dismissed was yesterday appointed England national manager.

Whilst we understand some of the nuts and bolts of that here, its looks
terrible on paper and does nothing for the NESV portfolio or John Henrys
decision making ability.

You wonder how long they will persist with the plan under such cirumstances
and if they have been seduced by Dalglishs cup team enough to persist for another
year and another transfer kitty.

You sense that whilst Saturdays result will be important Dalglish will still
need to present a convincing case to his superiors to hold on for another year
at Anfield.

[Johnny Boy]

We are level on points with Fulham, behind the bitters and 3 points in front of West Brom.

Changes are needed.

[killerp]

For the most part of the campaign all we have listened too is hard luck
You sense that whilst Saturdays result will be important Dalglish will still
need to present a convincing case to his superiors to hold on for another year
at Anfield.

Daglish said himself that if the team stops improving he will step aside. I think it's clear for all to see, we are not improving! Winning an FA Cup could extend his stay but if the home form continues into next season, will be a very, very long season!

[eds]

As much as it pains me to say but Kenny's position has now become untenable.

We have heard enough of the nonsense from the "fanatics" who have been sprouting rubbish and excuses over the last few weeks, its time once and for all to think about our future and the well-being of our club, not the stature / ego of one individual, who has nothing else to prove.

It's inevitable that Kenny will now step down. He knows we can't continue down this road to oblivion, he is smart man and wants what is best for this club. Am expecting an announcement to be made after the FA Cup final and / or last game of the regular season.

[lakes10]

seen posts on twiter that we are to sell or let go 14 players at the end of the season and we are looking 9 players to bring to the club.
I dont think the owners would have give Kenny the money to start to look at players if they were going to sack him after the fa cup so it looks like he is here for the the new season.

wonder who the 14 players are? bet most are young kids that have done nothing.

[lakes10]

As much as it pains me to say but Kenny's position has now become untenable.

We have heard enough of the nonsense from the "fanatics" who have been sprouting rubbish and excuses over the last few weeks, its time once and for all to think about our future and the well-being of our club, not the stature / ego of one individual, who has nothing else to prove.

It's inevitable that Kenny will now step down. He knows we can't continue down this road to oblivion, he is smart man and wants what is best for this club. Am expecting an announcement to be made after the FA Cup final and / or last game of the regular season.

look mate the results have not been good but apart from the game last night, the way we play the game is much better.
someone said that we are the same team as under Roy, no we are much better, ok the results dont show it but you only have to look at the way we pass the ball now and how many chances we get under kenny to see we are a much better team.

[Waldo]

Kenny seems to be making a few statements about next season and, if you read the papers/rumours, he is making a few trips abroad to look at players for next season.

I think that Kenny will be replaced in the summer and will take up the role vacated by Damien Comolli recently.

[alwayslfc]

We can speculate whether Kenny will be leaving the post or not. Ultimately it's up to FSG. I am of the opinion that if we can find someone better than KD, then please appoint him otherwise don't change manager for the sake of changing. I think we did that with replacing Rafa with Hodgson.

I don't think Rafa should have been sacked back in 2010 for just one bad season finishing 7th. Look at where we'll most likely finish this time? One can only wonder what Rafa could have done in the PL with FSG's money if Rafa were still manager today.

[lakes10]

We can speculate whether Kenny will be leaving the post or not. Ultimately it's up to FSG. I am of the opinion that if we can find someone better than KD, then please appoint him otherwise don't change manager for the sake of changing. I think we did that with replacing Rafa with Hodgson.

I don't think Rafa should have been sacked back in 2010 for just one bad season finishing 7th. Look at where we'll most likely finish this time? One can only wonder what Rafa could have done in the PL with FSG's money if Rafa were still manager today.

dont you understand that we are so ***** in the prem due to Rafa building a great CL team?
even Rafa said himself it was a danger game he was playing, he know the risk and it bite him, we ended up 7th that year due to a CL team not working in the prem. It would have been very hard for Rafa to turn his wasy around and build a prem team. Rafa a great CL manager but that where it stops.
even when he spoke about the young players he was bring into the club he spoke about how that would do in the CL.

We nedded a manager to rebuild the club into a prem team, that is what Kenny is doing, its going to take time, giving him the sack would just mean another guy coming in and starting back from where Kenny first took over.
Give Kenny the time and will build us into a great Pream team.

we need to stop looking back at Rafa and saying how good he was.....lets face it he is finding it bloody hard to get another job so that tells you what other clubs think of him.

[Roger Red Hat]

I'm actually looking forward to next season. I think we all can see the changes needed and the players we need to bring into this club and I think Kenny can actually see this too but what can he do in May? fuk all.  Hopefully we'll get some new blood into the team and ditch some of the trash we have. Kenny's no mug and he'll be here next season to try put it back on track. Whatever plan he had this season has gone wrong and has not worked too well so he'll change it. You have to have patience and FSG will know this. If they ditch him now we're no better than the other merciless teams that change managers for fun.

14 players OUT
9 players IN

...and I personally want Kenny to be in charge when it happens.

[lakes10]

I'm actually looking forward to next season. I think we all can see the changes needed and the players we need to bring into this club and I think Kenny can actually see this too but what can he do in May? fuk all.  Hopefully we'll get some new blood into the team and ditch some of the trash we have. Kenny's no mug and he'll be here next season to try put it back on track. Whatever plan he had this season has gone wrong and has not worked too well so he'll change it. You have to have patience and FSG will know this. If they ditch him now we're no better than the other merciless teams that change managers for fun.

14 players OUT
9 players IN

...and I personally want Kenny to be in charge when it happens.

I am having fun on another forum this morning working out who the 14 are thats going, some are saying some big names that will go.
seem some think we have a few players that are not getting on well with other players and they might go just to make it a nicer place to be?