Liverpool FC Forum

[D___C]

And why is our squad so different to city heimdall, is it because their manager is so much better than ours or because of the £500 million or whatever it cost them and the astronomical wages they pay ?

brentd4 thinks that because we spent £35 million of the Torres money on Carroll we could have had Aguero, don't you realise aguero is on at least twice the wages that Carroll is ?

The geordie yard-dog is on 60k a week is he not? If its any more than that we are f'cked in trying to offload him... theres no way Villa, Stoke or any of the inrerested parties could afford it. It could end up us having to subsidise some of it. I think he is on 60k anyway.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

really, at what point during the glory years did fans have to wait 20+ years for a league title, the longest previous gap was from 1923 to 1946 and seeing as we aren't going to win it this year then we will have matched that and I find it very unlikely we'll win the league next season. As I said in one of my posts, for which I was ridiculed, it will take patience before we win the league as we are now so far behind the top4 let alone the 2 Manc clubs, but first we need to get the foundation right, and by that I mean the manager and squad and we are not even close at the moment.

You were scoffed at because of your proclivity to contradict yourself ,I mean surely even you will admit to being one of Benitez's
biggest detractors on this very forum ,yet you came out and stated you would gladly have him back .

It took the Mancs 26 years to evolve into a team capable of doing more than just challenge for the title ,we're currently 22 years and counting .
All I'm advocating is for a modicum of patience ,for the manager and the team .

[Basil]

I'll take your word for it, 60k sounds about right but the point is what is aguero on ? £150k, £175k, £200k ?

We might have paid over the odds for British players but we couldn't have signed an established foreign player for the same money because we couldn't offer those wages.

I agree we could have bought 2 or 3 up an coming foreign players for £35M but it would have been a gamble.

[jacdaniel]

I wouldn't envy being in John Henry's position at the end of this season as tough calls really need to be made.  They need to really analyse why our league form has completely collapsed in 2012.   We all have our opinions but bear in mind that we fans know very little about whats happening off the field.

Serious questions need to be asked about last summers signings.  Who actually wanted / signed these players?  Why haven't any of them performed to their previous standards?  Do we sell most of them now or wait? 

Will they trust Kenny/Comolli with more funds?  If not, is there point in keeping them on?  Can you possibly sack a man that could yet finish the season with 2 trophies? 

Thats just a few of many topics that need to be discussed by FSG this summer.

[maypaxvobiscum]

really, at what point during the glory years did fans have to wait 20+ years for a league title, the longest previous gap was from 1923 to 1946 and seeing as we aren't going to win it this year then we will have matched that and I find it very unlikely we'll win the league next season. As I said in one of my posts, for which I was ridiculed, it will take patience before we win the league as we are now so far behind the top4 let alone the 2 Manc clubs, but first we need to get the foundation right, and by that I mean the manager and squad and we are not even close at the moment.

You were scoffed at because of your proclivity to contradict yourself ,I mean surely even you will admit to being one of Benitez's
biggest detractors on this very forum ,yet you came out and stated you would gladly have him back .

It took the Mancs 26 years to evolve into a team capable of doing more than just challenge for the title ,we're currently 22 years and counting .
All I'm advocating is for a modicum of patience ,for the manager and the team .

Sorry but I think it's immensely hypocritical of you to ask anyone to support the manager when you and other posters showed Hodgson none of it. I agree with the gist of having patience, but Kenny isn't good enough for this job RBG. And no man is bigger then the club.

[jacdaniel]

To be fair, Hodgson is a completely different kettle of fish altogether.  He was employed by people with little to no football knowledge as he was the Flavour of the month manager at the time.

Nothing about the man suggested he would ever be able to manage such a huge club.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

really, at what point during the glory years did fans have to wait 20+ years for a league title, the longest previous gap was from 1923 to 1946 and seeing as we aren't going to win it this year then we will have matched that and I find it very unlikely we'll win the league next season. As I said in one of my posts, for which I was ridiculed, it will take patience before we win the league as we are now so far behind the top4 let alone the 2 Manc clubs, but first we need to get the foundation right, and by that I mean the manager and squad and we are not even close at the moment.

You were scoffed at because of your proclivity to contradict yourself ,I mean surely even you will admit to being one of Benitez's
biggest detractors on this very forum ,yet you came out and stated you would gladly have him back .

It took the Mancs 26 years to evolve into a team capable of doing more than just challenge for the title ,we're currently 22 years and counting .
All I'm advocating is for a modicum of patience ,for the manager and the team .

Sorry but I think it's immensely hypocritical of you to ask anyone to support the manager when you and other posters showed Hodgson none of it. I agree with the gist of having patience, but Kenny isn't good enough for this job RBG. And no man is bigger then the club.

Sorry mate ,but I afforded Hodgson plenty of respect when he first took the reins ,and if you care to trudge through the threads posted when he was
first appointed .... I think you will find my interest and faith in the man only waned when he lambasted SOS for their protests being supposedly
ill timed .... However I can now unequivocally and without any form of recourse state quite openly that I despise that odious little man .

[RedAnt]

The way I see it is we have two options.

A) Say to Kenny "Ok, you have 3 months and £? for next season. If we're up there, then you can carry on. If we're seeing further decline, it's time to part ways..."

B) Kick Kenny out and employ some new guy (Limited choices here) who will have only a little funds and be expected to mould the current team into a working unit.

So assuming that everything this year is Kennys fault (something I hold no stock in) what reasons can people give for trying out a new manager? And would a third manager in two years not be tantamount to selling our souls and following the new, instant success way with the likes of Chelski and Man City being our role models? For me personally that dosen't even bear thinking about. I want us to remain true to our history and culture even if it means sacrificing short term (possibly even long term) success. Am I crazy?

[heimdall]

And why is our squad so different to city heimdall, is it because their manager is so much better than ours or because of the £500 million or whatever it cost them and the astronomical wages they pay ?

brentd4 thinks that because we spent £35 million of the Torres money on Carroll we could have had Aguero, don't you realise aguero is on at least twice the wages that Carroll is ?

Ok try explaining Newcastle to me then, or perhaps Tottenham, or how about Arsenal. We've spent a lot more than all 3 of those teams over the last 10 years. I'm guessing they didn't have some conspiracy against them though or perhaps they just have good management and good signings.

[Boocity]

I voted for Kenny to stay as I believe he should be given more time to build the team, however I would not be too surprised if FSG moved him upstairs in the summer if they are not convinced by his report and his vision for next season. if that happens and they get a new top rated manager its just something we will have to accept and anyone who thinks you will see similar protests as under H&G and Hodgson is sadly mistaken because it just wont happen.

[heimdall]

The way I see it is we have two options.

A) Say to Kenny "Ok, you have 3 months and £? for next season. If we're up there, then you can carry on. If we're seeing further decline, it's time to part ways..."

B) Kick Kenny out and employ some new guy (Limited choices here) who will have only a little funds and be expected to mould the current team into a working unit.

So assuming that everything this year is Kennys fault (something I hold no stock in) what reasons can people give for trying out a new manager? And would a third manager in two years not be tantamount to selling our souls and following the new, instant success way with the likes of Chelski and Man City being our role models? For me personally that dosen't even bear thinking about. I want us to remain true to our history and culture even if it means sacrificing short term (possibly even long term) success. Am I crazy?

You're not crazy and your heart is clearly in the right place but you are far to sentimental about things. The bottom line is that if you see something that isn't work then you need to improve it, and for me, and many other people that problem starts with Kenny and extends to his awful signings. I don't think we are a million miles form getting back into the top 4 but we won't do it with kenny, he just isn't good enough, irrespective of his passion and obvious loyalty to the club. I agree that managers need time but there have to be clear signs of improvement and with kenny you have to say that the opposite is true.

[RedAnt]

The way I see it is we have two options.

A) Say to Kenny "Ok, you have 3 months and £? for next season. If we're up there, then you can carry on. If we're seeing further decline, it's time to part ways..."

B) Kick Kenny out and employ some new guy (Limited choices here) who will have only a little funds and be expected to mould the current team into a working unit.

So assuming that everything this year is Kennys fault (something I hold no stock in) what reasons can people give for trying out a new manager? And would a third manager in two years not be tantamount to selling our souls and following the new, instant success way with the likes of Chelski and Man City being our role models? For me personally that dosen't even bear thinking about. I want us to remain true to our history and culture even if it means sacrificing short term (possibly even long term) success. Am I crazy?

You're not crazy and your heart is clearly in the right place but you are far to sentimental about things. The bottom line is that if you see something that isn't work then you need to improve it, and for me, and many other people that problem starts with Kenny and extends to his awful signings. I don't think we are a million miles form getting back into the top 4 but we won't do it with kenny, he just isn't good enough, irrespective of his passion and obvious loyalty to the club. I agree that managers need time but there have to be clear signs of improvement and with kenny you have to say that the opposite is true.

That's just it..sentiment and loyalty is the Liverpool way. And it's worked wonders in the past. I don't believe that football has changed so much in recent years that the old philosophies are utterly redundant. We should be using this challenge to unite and show the rest of the world that with support and integrity we can once again rule the footballing world. We should be showing Chelski and Man City that money means nothing if you have team spirit and comraderie. And that right there is the question again, but in a new form. Do we:

A) Sell our souls and join the likes of Chelski and Citeh at the top with the revolving door policy...

B) Or stick to our guns and stand tall having faith and patience, and hope that the good things in life are still relevant.

Seems a bit soppy when I read it back, but I guess that's sentimentality for ya 

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

That's just it..sentiment and loyalty is the Liverpool way. And it's worked wonders in the past. I don't believe that football has changed so much in recent years that the old philosophies are utterly redundant. We should be using this challenge to unite and show the rest of the world that with support and integrity we can once again rule the footballing world. We should be showing Chelski and Man City that money means nothing if you have team spirit and comraderie. And that right there is the question again, but in a new form. Do we:

A) Sell our souls and join the likes of Chelski and Citeh at the top with the revolving door policy...

B) Or stick to our guns and stand tall having faith and patience, and hope that the good things in life are still relevant.

Seems a bit soppy when I read it back, but I guess that's sentimentality for ya 

Such a small word FAITH, but one which used to have such a huge resonance around Anfield , and It seems the fans that still possess
this rare commodity are now open to ridicule for their unstinting belief in the Manager and the club .

[Kukilon]

Everyone should be treated by the same standards.

Rafa finished 7-8th? Got fired
Woy horrible results and annoying in interviews.

King Kenny should share the same faith. The FA-cup may save him but otherwise he should be a gonner. Spent lots of money and it looks mildly better then under Woy.

[lakes10]

whats going on? we win a game and no ones posting that Kenny should go?