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by **Ciggy** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:53 pm

s@int wrote:Is it not a managers job to pick the best team and to drop players who arn't giving 100% ?

It is saint but Lucas & Kuyt are getting picked every game so Im fucked if I know..............

by **damjan193** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:54 pm

Ben Patrick wrote:
damjan193 wrote:Well you know, we wont get 4th, evryone including Gerrard sucks... people get angry and it's a known fact that when the most favourated player dissapoints us, we say bad things about him.He really does suck this season, but he still is my favourate player, the ideal captain (even if he elbows people, I mean, who doesnt from time to time ) and the best thing that has happend to this team for years.I think that if we get something this season (4th place or the Europa Cup) it will be becouse of him.But I do hate something about him, and thats his statmants that he will leave and stuff.Loyalty is very important to me, and I considered Gerrad a loyal player, but now he's starting to get on my nerves about this leaving thing.I know that it's all speculate and its unlikable for him to leave, but even speculations are too much for me .His form this season bugs me to, but you know it happens to a player.I dont remember people hating him last year when he was the league's best player, or at the time when he won us the Cup and the CL, but this thing about leaving, a thing said by our best player who actully is from Liverpool and has been an apparent Liverpool fan is unacceptable for me.

which statements ?
I havent read any saying he was thinking of leaving.

Neither have I lol but I heard the comentator at a game a week or two ago, and he said that Gerrard might leave if Liverpool dont get 4th.It sounded logical to me so I didnt boder to double check it... the guy is a sports jurnalist after all and knows much more than I do.

by **tonyeh** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:57 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:HOW THE F.UCK CAN HIS INJURY NOT BE EFFECTING HIS FORM OR HIS EFFORT.

Which is EXACTLY what I have been saying

Yet you fail to see what i post again

HOW COME HE IS FINE FOR ENGLAND

Who says he's "fine" for England?

Did you see him during the england game ? Show no effect of injury in that game

He didn't put in a stellar show either.

And, besides, that was a single game. It's impossible to tell if he wasn't in a lot of discomfort during it (or before and after).

Besides, you are way overstating his performance in the England game, simply to try and justify your totally redundant argument.

Yes, Gerrard is not up to his usual standard...but there are reasons for that.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:01 pm

And how many people on here would slate rafa if he dropped gerrard for being below par ?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:02 pm

All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:05 pm

s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

So gerrard gets rested for the next couple of games - how many people on here attack rafa for it ?

Becasue you will get people like hiemdall saying gerrard at 50% is better than etc at 100%

by **tonyeh** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:08 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

So gerrard gets rested for the next couple of games - how many people on here attack rafa for it ?

Becasue you will get people like hiemdall saying gerrard at 50% is better than etc at 100%

Actually, I think EVERYONE would rather have Steven playing at his best, without an injury.

by **damjan193** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:09 pm

Actully, scrach that about Gerrard being disloyal... I forgot that he signed a contract last year.Didnt Torres sign one too?

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:09 pm

None ..... if he is fecking injured. We have plenty of other things we can criticise Rafa about. We could criticise him about the way we are playing, the fact that he persists in playing 2 defensive midfielders, the fact that we are creating little, and the hundred and one other things he seems to be doing wrong. No need to criticise him about a player being injured.

by **fivecups** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:16 pm

s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

Gerrard is injured, needs surgery, then rehabilitation, then match fitness. Should have happened at Christmas.

I'm convinced he's injured. Obviously not enough to stop him playing but enough that he knows if he spends 90 minutes sprinting, diving into challenges and hitting 30 yard piledrivers he'll end up out for weeks. He's playing to the level he can with this injury, unfortunately it's far below his best.

Can anyone seriously imagine Stevie, our captain, not giving his all against the Mancs, to stop them getting No. 19 and help us to fourth? No way Jose.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:19 pm

fivecups wrote:
s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

Gerrard is injured, needs surgery, then rehabilitation, then match fitness. Should have happened at Christmas.

I'm convinced he's injured. Obviously not enough to stop him playing but enough that he knows if he spends 90 minutes sprinting, diving into challenges and hitting 30 yard piledrivers he'll end up out for weeks. He's playing to the level he can with this injury, unfortunately it's far below his best.

Can anyone seriously imagine Stevie, our captain, not giving his all against the Mancs, to stop them getting No. 19 and help us to fourth? No way Jose.

Spot on

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:20 pm

fivecups wrote:
s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

Gerrard is injured, needs surgery, then rehabilitation, then match fitness. Should have happened at Christmas.

I'm convinced he's injured. Obviously not enough to stop him playing but enough that he knows if he spends 90 minutes sprinting, diving into challenges and hitting 30 yard piledrivers he'll end up out for weeks. He's playing to the level he can with this injury, unfortunately it's far below his best.

Can anyone seriously imagine Stevie, our captain, not giving his all against the Mancs, to stop them getting No. 19 and help us to fourth? No way Jose.

so why didnt he yesterday ? he looked far from giving it is all

by **fivecups** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:23 pm

access wrote:Well people what can really say about Steven Gerrard that has not already been written.

I see a different Steven Gerrard this year perhaps one that has been disillusioned with what has been going on.

It no good saying ‘leave him out’ ‘sell him’ ‘he’s ’ he has been no doubt our best player over the last decade.

So what IS going on his mind his mental attitude isn’t the same this season and it’s not about him saving himself for the World Cup.
Rightly or wrongly he has been petulant recently frustrated by what’s going on.

1. Could it be he is playing in a team that he sees ‘struggling?
2. Could it be he is playing for a manager who he see is actually ‘out of his depth’?
3. Could it be he is playing with players around him in that aren’t up to the job?
4. Could it be he is playing at the end of his career and still hasn’t won the Premiership?
5. Could it be that last year they got so near but this year they are so far?
6. Could it be that in his own mind he ‘wonders’ if he stays at Anfield will he EVER win the Premiership?
7. Could it be he sees the likes of Manchester City and Spurs developing?
8. Could it be he his own personal battle with ‘what he actually wants?
9. Could he really consider a move abroad at the end of his career?
10. Could it be that the owners will never develop the team or its future?

That's a good post and a nice summary of the things that could be affecting his psyche. We know Stevie's a complex character and when he thinks too much his form suffers - Chelsea, personal issues etc.

I don't think it's enough to account for his current performances. It's not that he doesn't want to sprint/tackle etc. it's that he cant because he's injured.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:24 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
fivecups wrote:
s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

Gerrard is injured, needs surgery, then rehabilitation, then match fitness. Should have happened at Christmas.

I'm convinced he's injured. Obviously not enough to stop him playing but enough that he knows if he spends 90 minutes sprinting, diving into challenges and hitting 30 yard piledrivers he'll end up out for weeks. He's playing to the level he can with this injury, unfortunately it's far below his best.

Can anyone seriously imagine Stevie, our captain, not giving his all against the Mancs, to stop them getting No. 19 and help us to fourth? No way Jose.

so why didnt he yesterday ? he looked far from giving it is all

So you would rather believe that the manager is not doing his job because he is frightened of being criticised on an internet forum, and that Gerrard is not trying because he doesn't want CL football next season? :laugh:

by **fivecups** » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:24 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
fivecups wrote:
s@int wrote:All he would have to say is ..... Gerrard is injured and needs a rest. Problem solved.

Gerrard is injured, needs surgery, then rehabilitation, then match fitness. Should have happened at Christmas.

I'm convinced he's injured. Obviously not enough to stop him playing but enough that he knows if he spends 90 minutes sprinting, diving into challenges and hitting 30 yard piledrivers he'll end up out for weeks. He's playing to the level he can with this injury, unfortunately it's far below his best.

Can anyone seriously imagine Stevie, our captain, not giving his all against the Mancs, to stop them getting No. 19 and help us to fourth? No way Jose.

so why didnt he yesterday ? he looked far from giving it is all

He did as much as he could with the chronic injury he's carrying.

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