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by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:51 pm

woof woof ! wrote:Whats f'ucking laughable is how many people are knocking this competition, "Disney Cup" etc and then going on to say how many other teams in the competition are "too strong for us" F'ucks sake just how bad are WE if we can't win the "Disney Cup" ? just maybe it's not as p'iss poor as some make out and there are some bl'oody good sides in it. I don't know about you lads, it may not be the top european competition but I'm more than happy at the prospect of watching us play the likes of Benfica and with a bit of luck Valencia or Atletico Madrid.

And to bring it back on topic - well said woof

Disney cup my fecking :censored:

- its a top european trophy and we would be proud and delighted if we won it .

by **woof woof !** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:54 pm

This thread is supposedly about the Europa League.

I believe that somewhere in the forum there is another thread for discussing the manager and our progress (or lack of it) under him.

by **bigmick** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:56 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Disney cup my fecking - its a top european trophy and we would be proud and delighted if we won it .

How can it be a "top European trophy"

lets be serious for a second. Without googling it, you couldn't even tell me what the criterea is for qualification from the Premiership so how can it be a top European Trophy, don't be daft :laugh:

I agree we ought to try and win it, but talk about clutching at straws ffs.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:58 pm

bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Why mention birmingham mick when we are also above both city and villa and only one point behind spurs in 4th place ?

The bigger picture - is that not to win trophies ?

Who says he must go on his way ? What you fail to say in that paragraph is the phrase "IN YOUR OPINION" because that is all it is .

Where as In My Opinion he will be here next season and will be given the chance to turn it back round and get back to the level he produced for us the previous 5 seasons as opposed to reacting just because of one below par season .

Well we are above City and Villa, but as both teams have games in hand on us, I thought Birmingham was a fairer comparison. Why not mention Birmingham anyway? I can't see why you'd get touchy about a club which is within a couple of points of us.

I agree with some of the rest of your post, although I find it a bit contradictory. Yes the bigger picture is to win trophies, I agree with that, it's just that we haven't won any. If we don't manage to win this European Fair Play Cup thingy, we won't have won anything for four seasons. During that period of time, and indeed since Rafa has been at the helm, we have had one title challenge in six seasons. We have been knocked out of the various domestic Cups by lower league opposition both at Home and Away with unnerring regularity, and we look like we are about to revert to type in terms of regularly getting our erses smacked by the other big clubs in the league after a halcyon year last term.

When you say Rafa is going to "turn it sround and get us back to a level" we were at for the previous five seasons, it reveals once again the fact that some people have very different aspirations for our club. Time to move on, he's had a good go and God knows we've given him a good try. The wheels are almost off this season, lets not wait until we are plummetting down the league before we have the bravery to believe the evidence which is before our eyes, at least for those of us who wish to open them anyway.

Games in hand or points on the board ? know which i would prefer .

Evidence can be manipulated anyway people want to TRY and prove their point when at the end of the day its just an opinion .

Aspirations for the club im pretty sure is the same for everyone but some people will look at it more realistically and realise how damn f.ucking hard it is to win the big ones where as some people seem to believe that bringing in a new manager will bring us a title ?
what cloud are they living on .

All this talk about such and such being manager next season is just pipe dreams - I think im quite happy to say that Maureen or someone of his ilk will not be our manager next season and unless Rafa himself resigns (which i believe is the only way he will ) Rafa will still be manager next season .

And if Rafa does resign then brace yourself for the manager that our two owners will pick - it wont be a top gauy i can say with quite comfortable feeling .

You can quote me on all that and if im wrong remind me of it next august .

But i think im pretty safe in what i think .

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:00 pm

bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Disney cup my fecking - its a top european trophy and we would be proud and delighted if we won it .

How can it be a "top European trophy" lets be serious for a second. Without googling it, you couldn't even tell me what the criterea is for qualification from the Premiership so how can it be a top European Trophy, don't be daft

I agree we ought to try and win it, but talk about clutching at straws ffs.

Its a top european trophy with some of the top clubs in europe in it Bigmick no matter what you say - yes its not the CL but it still is a damn hard trophy to win .

by **bigmick** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:04 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:And if Rafa does resign then brace yourself for the manager that our two owners will pick - it wont be a top gauy i can say with quite comfortable feeling .

Are you suggesting that they'll put someone in charge who won't win anything, won't challenge for the title, will waste a shedload of cash, will handle players badly and play awful football

.

Do you really think it's a possibility that we could end up with a manager who'll struggle to get us into the top four of the league, and who will get knocked out of the FA Cup by the likes of Reading?

Fecking hell when you put it like that it is a bit of a worry I must admit.

by **DrPepe** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:10 pm

bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:And if Rafa does resign then brace yourself for the manager that our two owners will pick - it wont be a top gauy i can say with quite comfortable feeling .

Are you suggesting that they'll put someone in charge who won't win anything, won't challenge for the title, will waste a shedload of cash, will handle players badly and play awful football .

Do you really think it's a possibility that we could end up with a manager who'll struggle to get us into the top four of the league , and who will get knocked out of the FA Cup by the likes of Reading?

Fecking hell when you put it like that it is a bit of a worry I must admit.

sounds a bit like wenger :love:

by **woof woof !** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:14 pm

bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:And if Rafa does resign then brace yourself for the manager that our two owners will pick - it wont be a top gauy i can say with quite comfortable feeling .

Are you suggesting that they'll put someone in charge who won't win anything, won't challenge for the title, will waste a shedload of cash, will handle players badly and play awful football .

Do you really think it's a possibility that we could end up with a manager who'll struggle to get us into the top four of the league, and who will get knocked out of the FA Cup by the likes of Reading?

Fecking hell when you put it like that it is a bit of a worry I must admit.

The pair of yer are getting on my f'ucking nerves now.

Come in here to read up opinions on the europa league and you two washer women are once again arguing over the fence the pro's and cons of Rafa Benitez.

Give us all a break and take it to the appropriate thread :angry:

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:14 pm

Its quite simple really ......do you want Liverpool the team you supposedly support to actually win this cup

regardless of its status alongside its more esteemed family (Old Big Ears ) ,if you don't then refrain from posting ,simply don't participate in the thread because quite frankly its seriously starting to grate THE AMOUNT OF F*CKING DIC*HEADS WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING F*CK ALL TO THIS THREAD IS BECOMING DISTURBING
So if your not wanting to discuss the merits of us making history by winning this cup for the Fourth time something I might add no team in European football as of yet has accomplished, then leave the thread to people who believe supporting the Reds is a constant and not reliant on the importance of the Trophy

,personally I find the UEFA cup a beautifully designed trophy steeped in tradition which has also played a huge role in our illustrious history and I welcome the opportunity for us to challenge for it ,and I would have deemed it a necessity that only like minded individuals would contribute to the thread ffs :angry:

by **red37** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:15 pm

Priorities.

1. League Championship
2. Champions League
3. FA Cup
4. UEFA Cup/Europa League
5. League Cup

6. Other tournaments

But hey...we may as well get knocked out of this one as well, seeing as its the only thing left we can win. Mind you, in failing to win (or at least genuinely contesting) the 2nd most prestigeous European crown that a continental side can aspire to, would i suppose help to see off the awful Benitez.

So not all bad.....

Liverpool FC having won 8 MAJOR European titles.

Some 'fans' currently assuaging the prospect of securing a 9th almost too excruciatingly boring and not at all relative to the aspirations of a club of this standing....or even the idea that the UEFA Cup is simply...'c.rap' amongst other daft proclamations.

Given the apathy of these *supporters* its difficult to understand bearing in mind when the chance of a 41st Major trophy is up for grabs... the opportunity HAS to be welcomed. As history has recorded, this club has used up a fair quotient of supplies of 'Brasso' over the years - A bloody good job as well, because otherwise what IS the whole point in being a red? Especially one who is old enough to have followed and subsequently enjoyed such achievements.

by **LFC2007** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:21 pm

bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Im guessing Owstat didnt celebrate when we won it back in 2001

I thought this was the first season for this competition That one in 2001 was the UEFA Cup wasn't it and teams weren't parachuted into it out of the Champions League. Apologies if I'm wrong, but I thought also the number of Champions League places available to the top countries was also less, so you got better teams in the UEFA Cup.

I personally think we may as well try and win it now we're in it, but I can see little point in trying to big the competition up by erroniously comparing it to previous ones. I actually think we may well win it, and I'll be very happy to win something after four seasons, even if it is only this. That is of course just so long as those who support Rafa FC as opposed to Liverpool FC don't use the win as some kind of surreal justification for hero worship, and advocate plunging us further into the abyss with the commencment of yet another five year plan. I hope we win it but lets keep it in perspective if we do.

It's essentially the same competition. Teams who fall out at the UCL 3rd quali and group stage still go through - how do you think Barca and Porto qualified back in 00/01? - and the fact that it gives more places to teams from European backwaters is completely moot as the format is now longer and they are ALL filtered out by the group stage.

In fact I don't think I'm wrong in saying that even 30 odd years ago teams from 3rd, 4th, 5th, and even 6th place in their domestic league qualified for the UEFA cup.

On the draw. Who wouldn't look forward to games against Benfica and Valencia or Atletico? If that causes you 'agony' and 'embarrassment' you MUST be an absolute f'ucking tool.

by **aCe'** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:41 pm

fivecups wrote:
aCe' wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
fivecups wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Benfica not the best but not the worst .

Lost to them home and away in CL L16 in 05/06................................

Mickey mouse cup, mickey mouse draw(s) Mancs get an easy ride to the final, we get as tough a draw as you could expect - but at least we might well not prolong the agony

I can't understand why peoples expectations are so high for Liverpool? Why should we be in the knockout stages of the CL every year? If investment continues as it has been recently we could be nowhere near Europe.

Any team with the likes of Torres, Gerrard, Masch, Reina in its line up should be challenging for the champions league. Sometimes people act like we are on the same level as Wigan, we aren't. We are a 200 million+ team that has been goign through a tough patch, not a team of happy shopper signings that is happy to sit in mid table obscurity.

well put..

Now someones going to say how good our best 11 is compared to everyone elses. Well it is, but how often do we get to put out our best eleven. Virtually never. Football is about the squad and ours is weak in many places. It's not just about our best players.

Also, regarding the Premiership in almost anyway you look at it we come in 3rd or 4th best or even less than that so I don't see why we should be guaranteed knockout stage CL football every year especially not with City, Spurs and Villa outspending us at the minute.

We arguably have the 2nd or 3rd best starting 11 in the league.. Probably the 3rd best squad overall after Chelsea and United...

The likes of Tottenham and Mancity for all their spending and improvement are still trying to catch up with us... Lets not forget that we've been outspending pretty much everyone in the past 3 or 4 seasons so 1 season of ManCity splashing out doesnt necessarily constitute them becoming better than us overnight...

Our squad isnt as weak as make it out to be... the likes of Skrtel, Aurelio, Benny, Maxi, Babel.. are still better than most teams have as backup... to me they're all good enough to be atleast backup in a title winning side.. a couple of areas in the starting 11 and/OR the backup squad could be improved but i dont think we're that far behind any side in the league besides maybe Chelsea.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:41 pm

At least we will get an opportunity to rub the bitters face in it when we show them the correct way to approach a European game :;):

I think in general if we negate the strengths of Di Maria and Aimar and limit their supply to Saviola then we can progress ,but they really do look like potential winners ,so we will have to be at our most dominant and provide an accomplished display

by **LFC2007** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:43 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:At least we will get an opportunity to rub the bitters face in it when we show them the correct way to approach a European game I think in general if we negate the strengths of Di Maria and Aimar and limit their supply to Saviola then we can progress ,but they really do look like potential winners ,so we will have to be at our most dominant and provide an accomplished display

Oh the agony mate, the agony :laugh:

by **NANNY RED** » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:08 pm

I cant wait , According to my lad who laughed his head off when we got Benfica ,we are gonna get batterd , Yeh right
there a good team , steeped in history like ourselves it will be a close game and i will admit they was one of the teams i wanted to avoid, But i think we will have the edge on them and then lets go in and hope Athletico beat Valencia so Fernando can have the joy of playing against his old team, Any of them Spanish teams though in the semis will do for me , Some of the players thatll be on display will be great ,

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