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by **LFC2007** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:30 pm

Ah, so Voronin 'will have', but you haven't seen 'it'? (How then do you know he has 'it'?)

So if Rafa signed me up, by definition that would mean I have 'natural ability'?

BTW, what do you mean by a 'natural ability towards the game'?

by **JC_81** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:19 pm

I think Ngog has shown good improvement since we signed him. After his first couple of appearances I had written him off completely as being good enough for LFC. To be honest though he does look to have a bit about him. He's actually quite decent at holding the ball up and has a good turn of pace. His finishing's not bad either and his goals - minutes ration is pretty decent I'll bet.

I don't think filling in for the best striker in the world or playing up front on your own in the Premiership are easy jobs, but that's what the lad has been asked to do this season, and he hasn't disgraced himself either.

First team material? No, not yet. But he's only 20 and worth holding onto for the next couple of seasons to see how he develops.

As for the dive... it was a disgrace, but no one comments on Gerrard's dive for a pen in the same game which was even worse. But hey, he's English. Typical English media.

by **Emerald Red** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:16 pm

stmichael wrote:
heimdall wrote:He is an average player with very limited skills who would not get near the pitch at any of the other top 5 clubs but apparently he's good enough for us and we have to support him if we are "proper" fans

Who the hell cares? Would you rather have Sturridge, Macheda, Bendtner etc etc...? Jesus, the lad is showing he is able to play for this club in the absence of Torres (4 goals in 7 appearances aswell) and yet people still slag him off.

Clueless c*nts. Sorry, but I can't put it any other way. That stat says it all, really. It can't be argued or debated with. The boy is a striker, and a striker's job is to score goals, simple as. Why the hate? Why bash the fella? His goal against the Mancs shows how he actually has a vital striker's asset in front of the net. Can anyone tell me what that is? Oh, wait - he almost missed that one, I forgot. It's the same sh*t with Lucas. All these playes need is experience, and the only way to get it is to play games. It's the only way any player can evolve. Every single player improves the more they play. It amazes me how a striker who scores goals can still be villified as being sh*t. Benitez took on the player at a very low cost, and very low expectation. He's exceeded both by a vast amount, and if he were to be sold in January, no doubt we'd double our money or more.

You lot want to have a dig at someone, have a dig at the likes of Voronin. Get's big chances and squanders them. Waster. Difference being, he's at the peak of his career, N'gog isn't.

by **redhayesy** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:48 pm

Beachdrifter wrote:As an older Liverpool Support, I hate what Ngog has done.
And since more and more foreign players have come into the British game it seems more prevelant not as some people suggest because the games is a lot faster and you THINK you are going to be fouled. Look at player like Tommy Smith had his knee cap sheared in half at a European game and tried to play on for a few minutes. Just because the sleightest contact is made you don't have to go down as if you've been shot. Look at ronado last season if he was tackled it looked as though his career had been ended yet he can write off his car and walk away without a scratch
It doesn't matter who it is or who you play for but if after the game it proven on replay that you did dive then it should be an automatic 5 game ban AND maybe even a point deducted. The game is simple it's about skill and putting the ball in the back of the net.
Shankly said he would never cheat the fans or players and would not allow his players to, I don't want to see any LIVERPOOL player dive or cheat. I don't care what other players teams do, Liverpool play the game the way it should be played.

nice one mate someone who relates to the good old days! remembers our history with players like tommy smith.

well said from a 'newbie' on here, the thing is mate the sh1t you will read on this forum of late will leave you as p1ssed off as i am with comments like - that was then, this is now etc etc.

like you say mate 'shanks' would never cheat the fans,because he would install it into the players that is not what should ever be required to win or get any result from a football game.

do i think anything less of ngog for diving? in some ways yes cause that's the way i was bought up as a liverpool fan, cheating isn't accepted & anyone who knows the clubs history deep down will agree with me on that.

however i do think this incodent has been made far to much of! cause the ref made a split second descision on what he saw end of, cause neither linsmen (sorry asst ref) debated the descision either! it's only when you see the replays, shown after that yes it was a dive! an i'm sorry -cause when i first saw it yes i jumped up an said yes penalty - all i was concerned with at the time was that whoever takes the pen just put it in the back of the net! after the celebrations of stevie putting it in an only then i would consider a debate, cause for me there wasn't one.

so yes mate i have to agree with you, people can make all the excuses they like about ngog being a young, in-experienced player all they like, he knew what he was doing,we all know that! an i just hope he was given a flea in his ear after the game about it, cause our display on the night should of enabaled us to not rely on that we should od killed the game off by half time again we all know that!

as for ngog? fecking great strike for the goal! great sqaud player for me, but never a first team choice- why? cause a quality striker or any quality player has it in their locker to concentrate for the full 90 mins etc for the one opportunity to fall their way even if they haven't played well throughout the game. (torres v sunderland) last season is a classic example. one chance -winning goal. ngog maybe young etc etc but at this level you can't switch off at any time during a game an that's what lets himself down for me.

i do wish him well, but not if he ever thinks he can win over the manager, but importantly the fans! especially me with diving again!

by **Beachdrifter** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:57 pm

Cheers Red Haysey...

To start with I'm not on here to cause trouble, just say how I feel.

I agree with your comments on N'gog. His strike rate is good and he is young, and still learning. Lets hope he learns from this. My initial reaction was penalty. The trouble is there are so many cameras at games now they anylize everything which doesn't always help.

As I said he is young, I was lucky enough to see Robbie Fowler make is debut in the league cup at fulham. He had experienced players around him Like Rush, Mark Wright etc to talk him through games etc. A season or two later he was awarded a penalty against arsenal at Highbury. He told the ref it wasn't a penalty but the ref still awarded it and we scored from the spot. But it was all about Fowler being honest and holding his hands up. Perhaps Gerrard,Carragher and Sammy Lee should have word with him. Does Gerrard dive?? No but he goes down easy after the slightest contact.

by **big al** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:22 am

I feel so sorry that Ngog has hurt so many peoples feelings. After all the Mancs and the manager have been such pure gentlemen since the start of the premier league. Arsenal and chelsea too. such purity. Drogba is so much a role model he would never dive. Ronaldo won all his medals with man u by being squeeky clean. There are far too many W*nk**s on here that come from middle england who read sh*t Middle englan papers which despise Liverpool Fc And Liverpool's people. Wise up to these Media sycophants who lick Rupert Murdocks as* Ngog won us 1 point every other FaKing cheating Basstard can screw us such as thick refs at sunderland and we should be gracious Pis5 oFf,.

by **aCe'** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:25 am

by **redhayesy** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:41 am

Beachdrifter wrote:Cheers Red Haysey...

To start with I'm not on here to cause trouble, just say how I feel.

I agree with your comments on N'gog. His strike rate is good and he is young, and still learning. Lets hope he learns from this. My initial reaction was penalty. The trouble is there are so many cameras at games now they anylize everything which doesn't always help.

As I said he is young, I was lucky enough to see Robbie Fowler make is debut in the league cup at fulham. He had experienced players around him Like Rush, Mark Wright etc to talk him through games etc. A season or two later he was awarded a penalty against arsenal at Highbury. He told the ref it wasn't a penalty but the ref still awarded it and we scored from the spot. But it was all about Fowler being honest and holding his hands up. Perhaps Gerrard,Carragher and Sammy Lee should have word with him. Does Gerrard dive?? No but he goes down easy after the slightest contact.

no probs mate, an yes i was at the game when robbie held his hands up to the ref- well done mate for pointing out that! cause people need to understand an acknowledge that is what LFC have been about an should remain to do so in the future!

that game you mention, is so forgotten about it makes me mad.

i remember robbie being played into the penalty box, seaman made conntact with the ball first, but his momentum with his outstrented arms brought robbie down, the ref as you know made an instant descision that robbie was denied a goal scoring opportunity -so gave the pen, but fowlers reaction was a credit to himself an the FC in his education of what he believed in.

cameras where at games then, but not the technology they have at their desposal today, which makes robbie's actions even better cause he got respect from liverpool an arsenal fans at the game. pitty it wasn't given as much anylise from after the game as ngog got!

i'm not one on here either mate to cause trouble, anyone who reads my posts hopefully will say likewise. but what i do believe in an know about is the history of our famous club an it does p1ss me off when i read some comments on here that show no acknowledgement of our history, what it stands for- the people that layed the foundations of our history that has made us the famous club we are.

so i have stayed quiet for a few weeks mate ,but no more! i will respond to people on here who really know their history -cause for me it's about doing your homework- taking the time to educate youself about the club, read books,watchvideo's dvd's etc watch interviews know what has made LFC the club it is an what will make us succesfull in many years to come.

yes have an opinion by all means -but more on here need to think more before they post!

look foward to more posts from you mate.

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:53 am

Beachdrifter wrote:Does Gerrard dive??

YES!

by **big al** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 12:59 am

I have played football at a reasonable level, we practised diving so we would'nt get hurt. McLeish said it all So let it go.

by **made in UK** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:23 am

big al wrote:I have played football at a reasonable level, we practised diving so we would'nt get hurt. McLeish said it all So let it go.

by **stmichael** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:37 pm

Hopefully somebody has had a word with Ngog about talking to "that rag". Anyway, basically the long and short of it is he's thinking about playing for Cameroon in the African Nations Cup which would be another kick in the teeth.

by **Waldo** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:35 pm

That'll be the end of the NGOG cheating now that Henry has joined the party. Good as the kid can get on with concentrating on scorting goals now.

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:36 pm

stmichael wrote:Hopefully somebody has had a word with Ngog about talking to "that rag". Anyway, basically the long and short of it is he's thinking about playing for Cameroon in the African Nations Cup which would be another kick in the teeth.

Havent heard that about the Cameroon possibility.

Why would you do that if you were him ?
He is regulaly in the U21's for France and plays for a big club so its easily possible that at some stage he would make the next step up for them.

I am not saying i think he is good enough by the way.
Just that France often try lots of different strikers over the years and he would be in as good a position as any if he is playing for Liverpool and scoring goals in games like he has against united.

by **big al** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:42 am

Brilliant French players.

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