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by **7_Kewell** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:40 am

Tim LFC wrote:Because Lucas had a great game today.

brilliant

lets see if Real will pay us 30 million for him too

by **heimdall** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:23 am

Tim LFC wrote:Because Lucas had a great game today.

Is he playing today, hope he makes more of an impact than he did yesterday against Burnley.

The bottom line is that he is a distinctly average player who doesn't really add much to the team, he isn't quite the liabilityhe used to be but I cannot see him improving, I don't see any glimpses of brilliance for example.

I used to slag Kuyt off last season BUT I always respected his workrate, he has developed into a very useful player and I have to give kudos to Rafa for moving him out to the right, although I'm not sure how much it was planned. Without the pressure of being a striker he has refound his confidence and is now playing very well, if he continues to improve we'll soon see him dribbling past players on little dinking runs.

by **bigmick** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:40 am

I actually thought Lucas offered little against Burnley, but having said that he didn't really need to so it didn't matter. I'd read that he'd been a bit of a revelation before I watched the match, but his contribution was no different from what it was in the previous games from what I could see. By that I mean he was tidy, rarely gave the ball away, got his foot in etc etc but contributed nothing from an attacking point of view save for a speculative shot from distance.

Now the attacking part of the thing didn't matter against Burnley for two reasons. Firstly because they are sh!t, and secondly because he had Gerrard playing alongside him who did/does all that side of the game in spades and provides more than enough impetus for two people. As some of us have been saying for a bit now, if you don't ask Lucas to be the main ball distributer and the main pivot for our attacking play from centralk midfield, then he is OK. Ask him to run about a bit, get his foot in, knock it when he gets it, move the ball, fill the spaces and all that stuff and he'll do it in a Lee Carsleyesque kind of way. Ask him to do more than that, and his inadequacy will be graphically illustrated.

In short, play him in central midfield alongside Gerrard and he looks OK. Mind you, you could probably say that about pretty much every central midfielder in the Premiership but that's the way it is.

by **DrPepe** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:17 am

if you don't ask Lucas to be the main ball distributer and the main pivot for our attacking play from centralk midfield, then he is OK. Ask him to run about a bit, get his foot in, knock it when he gets it, move the ball, fill the spaces and all that stuff and he'll do it in a Lee Carsleyesque kind of way. Ask him to do more than that, and his inadequacy will be graphically illustrated.

Unfortunately, both our current main cms are v similar in that respect. Assuming Aquilani functions in a similar attacking mid role as Steve did yesterday, then we will have good balance in tthe squad with 2x decent dm and 2x ams

bodes well IMO:;):

by **Rockthekop** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:25 am

Gerrard was pulling all the strings in the midfield, there was no pressure on Lucas to create anything.

He's a basic player with basic skills who can do the simple stuff but beyond that he brings nothing to the table.

Spearing would play the role just as well probably and he didn't cost a penny.

by **DrPepe** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:29 am

Yeah probly

by **loopyliverpool** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:55 am

Rockthekop wrote:Gerrard was pulling all the strings in the midfield, there was no pressure on Lucas to create anything.

He's a basic player with basic skills who can do the simple stuff but beyond that he brings nothing to the table.

Spearing would play the role just as well probably and he didn't cost a penny.

From what Ive seen of Spearing he looks very good indeed. Good first touch, good distribution, generally skillful and he's a busy type of player.

by **Fauxy** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:27 pm

The one thing i can say about Lucas is that he is a tidy player, he doesnt really give possesion away that often which Spearing does often.

by **Tim LFC** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:49 pm

He did do some good balls. I understand what your saying about him offering not much however he does make threatening runs but never receives the ball when making the prolific runs.

by **DrPepe** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:32 pm

apart from spearing being "home grown", i don't really see any advantage of playing him over lucas; a brazil international with 40-odd 1st team games under his belt

hes a decent player, but is spearing really tearing up trees in the reserves, head and shoulders above the rest? i don't see it personally. Players like ecclestone, pacheco should be higher up the pecking order imo

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:36 pm

i was down the pub chatting to some mates, and we really couldnt work out if Lucas is better than Biscan...

by **DrPepe** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:56 pm

7_Kewell wrote:i was down the pub chatting to some mates, and we really couldnt work out if Lucas is better than Biscan...

profound.....

by **Rush Job** » Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:46 pm

7_Kewell wrote:i was down the pub chatting to some mates, and we really couldnt work out if Lucas is better than Biscan...

Well if you will pick one of our all time greats to compare him against.

by **Owzat** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:47 am

So what happened to Plessis? If I recall correctly he is in our CL squad, but hasn't played a Premiership game since the opening game of last season.

Bit harsh to be comparing Lucas to Biscuit already, can't see us playing Lucas at CB

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:19 am

Plessis seems to have gone backwards since his appearances last season. I'm a bit surprised he's still at the club. I thought he would've been sold if RB didn't think he was good enough to make it, or that he'd ask for a transfer himself...

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