Liverpool FC Forum

[Greavesie]

Just to re-iterate so everyone is clear. I accept that Lucas was the "key" player for us against Burnley, and him playing like he did "allowed" Gerrard to go on and influence the game in the manner he did. You can "talk about Yossi but it's thanks to Lucas".

I think he's the best holding midfielder since Lothar Mathieus. There, I hope I've cleared all that up. Think I'll go and play some Poker, good luck all.

howd the poker go? 

pointless tryin to talk about Lucas mate, its like Rafa walking on the pitch. If he does summit right ignore it, if not remember it as a reason to slate him.

I'm not his biggest fan but he's made the scapegoat everytime summit goes wrong, suppose we needed someone to take the heat off Kuyt 

[bigmick]

As far as the poker goes, I'm winning but slowly on the micro tables, grinding away. I've got me shark status on sharkscope, but can't seem to cash out in quite enough s&g's to get the ROI much over about 16%. What's doubly frustrating is that when i cash out I generally convert into 1st's and 2nd's very efficiently. Still, it's nice to win I suppose even it is only two bob.

[DrPepe]

As far as the poker goes, I'm winning but slowly on the micro tables, grinding away. I've got me shark status on sharkscope, but can't seem to cash out in quite enough s&g's to get the ROI much over about 16%. What's doubly frustrating is that when i cash out I generally convert into 1st's and 2nd's very efficiently. Still, it's nice to win I suppose even it is only two bob.

farking hell , you were right about that yawn smiley....

[NANNY RED]

As far as the poker goes, I'm winning but slowly on the micro tables, grinding away. I've got me shark status on sharkscope, but can't seem to cash out in quite enough s&g's to get the ROI much over about 16%. What's doubly frustrating is that when i cash out I generally convert into 1st's and 2nd's very efficiently. Still, it's nice to win I suppose even it is only two bob.

farking hell , you were right about that yawn smiley....

Let the man play poker ffs . itssrious bussiness when your gamblin

[DrPepe]

As far as the poker goes, I'm winning but slowly on the micro tables, grinding away. I've got me shark status on sharkscope, but can't seem to cash out in quite enough s&g's to get the ROI much over about 16%. What's doubly frustrating is that when i cash out I generally convert into 1st's and 2nd's very efficiently. Still, it's nice to win I suppose even it is only two bob.

farking hell , you were right about that yawn smiley....

Let the man play poker ffs . itssrious bussiness when your gamblin

save it for the poker thread 

[andy_g]

well i just watched the game on my pooter and think that lucas had a pretty decent game. to an extent i can go along with the arguments that the opposition were limited but by no means poor and that having gerrard alongside him certainly helped, however i think he played a freer and more involved role than some are giving him credit for.

after the villa game i was calling for his head like many others, so i did my own little 'player cam' on him for this game. burnley made a few nice fast raids into our half and around the penalty area and lucas made a few good strong interceptions and tackles. on many of our own attacks he was around and about playing those nice sensible passes which are becoming his trademark - although on this occasion many of them were going forwards and finding players in space. it wasn't exactly box to box but he got up and down and contributed to all aspects of the match and very rarely lost possession of the ball.

this was exactly the game he needed, both for his own confidence and for a chance to show a lot of fans that he's quite obviously not shít. whether he can put in the same kind of performance against the chelseas and arsenals is a big question but saturdays game will have done a lot of good for his development.

the lad needs to be cut a little slack, but without claiming that he is anything which is he plainly isn't.

[GYBS]

Lucas -

Think the majority of people who back him dont claim him to be a world star or up to the ability of people like gerrard or xabi etc nor do they think he will ever be that good BUT they do believe he is a decent player who proves his worth to the team on numerous occasions providing solid play when needed , while doing lots of simple work which is neccasary to keep the team ticking over like players like fletcher,anderson,mikel etc while also popping up with the odd goal and odd assist - he is still learning and has made the odd mistake .

The main problem people who do defend have with is the people coming  on just claiming he is either - sh.ite,uselss, ,not good enough ,championship footballer and various other insults thrown his way - so while people defence on him may be a bit overboard the negative stuff said about him is very  much way overboard .

[Bad Bob]

The skinny on Lucas (IMHO):

World beater? 

Potential world beater? 

Good player to partner Masch in the engine room? 

Utter sh!te? 

A tidy player who can do a job at CM when partnered with someone more creative/expansive? 

[kazza]

The skinny on Lucas (IMHO):

World beater? 

Potential world beater? 

Good player to partner Masch in the engine room? 

Utter sh!te? 

A tidy player who can do a job at CM when partnered with someone more creative/expansive? 

 

[fivecups]

well i just watched the game on my pooter and think that lucas had a pretty decent game. to an extent i can go along with the arguments that the opposition were limited but by no means poor and that having gerrard alongside him certainly helped, however i think he played a freer and more involved role than some are giving him credit for.

after the villa game i was calling for his head like many others, so i did my own little 'player cam' on him for this game. burnley made a few nice fast raids into our half and around the penalty area and lucas made a few good strong interceptions and tackles. on many of our own attacks he was around and about playing those nice sensible passes which are becoming his trademark - although on this occasion many of them were going forwards and finding players in space. it wasn't exactly box to box but he got up and down and contributed to all aspects of the match and very rarely lost possession of the ball.

this was exactly the game he needed, both for his own confidence and for a chance to show a lot of fans that he's quite obviously not shít. whether he can put in the same kind of performance against the chelseas and arsenals is a big question but saturdays game will have done a lot of good for his development.

the lad needs to be cut a little slack, but without claiming that he is anything which is he plainly isn't.

Great post.

Kept a close eye on him as well in view of recent discussions and completely agree.

[bigmick]

Bob's on the button. As I said earlier, he did a decent job against Burnley. My guess is he'll do a decent job in pretty much every game he plays, provided you don't ask him to do something which he isn't capable of. Stick him in next to Gerrard and ask him to fetch and carry the water, and he'll do a decent job. Nothing more, nothing less.

Just to return to GYBS's post though briefly, he mentioned that Lucas does the same job as "Fletcher, Anderson and Mikel". He kind of does, but he isn't as good a player as any of those three in my opinion anyway, although he'd be closest in ability to Mikel.

He did a decent job though at being the holding midfielder against Burnley. It is worth remembering that this was the first match where he was actually asked to do that job, and he is fairly obviously best suited to this role. Like most other central midfielders in the Premiership though I guess, stick him alongside Gerrard and he looks fine.

[heimdall]

I'm just hoping we don't drop too many points until we get Aquaman into the team and I really really hope Rafa doesn't revert to Mascha and Lucas in  the middle any time soon.

[DrPepe]

I'm just hoping we don't drop too many points until we get Aquaman into the team and I really really hope Rafa doesn't revert to Mascha and Lucas in  the middle any time soon.

1st choice = aqua plus mascher in CM, and gerrard further forward, with lucas filling in as and when one of those CM spots become vacant for any reason*, just like last season


*mascher will be gone in the summer, lucas will be 23 and have had another season under his belt  - will he be first 11 material?

[heimdall]

I'm just hoping we don't drop too many points until we get Aquaman into the team and I really really hope Rafa doesn't revert to Mascha and Lucas in  the middle any time soon.

1st choice = aqua plus mascher in CM, and gerrard further forward, with lucas filling in as and when one of those CM spots become vacant for any reason*, just like last season


*mascher will be gone in the summer, lucas will be 23 and have had another season under his belt  - will he be first 11 material?

no he won't but with the cash from selling Mascha we should be able to get a very good and hopefully better replacement.

[fivecups]

As far as the poker goes, I'm winning but slowly on the micro tables, grinding away. I've got me shark status on sharkscope, but can't seem to cash out in quite enough s&g's to get the ROI much over about 16%. What's doubly frustrating is that when i cash out I generally convert into 1st's and 2nd's very efficiently. Still, it's nice to win I suppose even it is only two bob.

I had a go at the grinding once, it takes a lot of discipline and patience. An ROI of 16% is rather good as far as I remember.