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by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:09 pm

It does give us better options off the bench rather than having Ngog there , i knew who'd i prefer if we needed a goal . He's a good finisher as well

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:11 pm

What Voronin really means is that no one in Germany was willing to match his Liverpool wages , so he has decided to warm the bench for a season back at Anfield.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:12 pm

dawson99 wrote:hes better than Ngog

Maybe we could use that as a slogan every time we buy a player Dawson

by **manuel** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:28 pm

The problem with this kind of players is when they are that confident. He's cheating himself...

edit: mmm i forgot you were so funny you put me this hilarious nick...

by **Alex G.** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:50 pm

He´s better than robbie Keane. :blues:

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:54 pm

Alex G. wrote:He´s better than robbie Keane.

by **Alex G.** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:57 pm

the numbers, mate, see the numbers.

Keano vs Voronator

by **Toffeehater** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:01 pm

Mate overall Keane is a better player , if you are comparing and basing keane on 1 below par season where he wasn't given a fair chance and asked to play alone uptop that isn't fair . Keane has always been better playing as a supportive striker and he had to play without stevie and torres for majority of the first part of the season.

by **Alex G.** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:10 pm

He wasn´t given a fair chance? He played 30 games in 6 months. Far enough. And if he doesn´t Know how to play alone up front, it shows his limitations. excuses.

by **heimdall** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:56 pm

Toffeehater wrote:Mate overall Keane is a better player , if you are comparing and basing keane on 1 below par season where he wasn't given a fair chance and asked to play alone uptop that isn't fair . Keane has always been better playing as a supportive striker and he had to play without stevie and torres for majority of the first part of the season.

In fairness Keane didn't exactly set the world on fire back at Spurs either did he. Did he actually score any goals for them?

by **Madmax** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:01 pm

heimdall wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Mate overall Keane is a better player , if you are comparing and basing keane on 1 below par season where he wasn't given a fair chance and asked to play alone uptop that isn't fair . Keane has always been better playing as a supportive striker and he had to play without stevie and torres for majority of the first part of the season.

In fairness Keane didn't exactly set the world on fire back at Spurs either did he. Did he actually score any goals for them?

Keane is a decent striker would'nt say his brilliant and nor would i say his was worth 20 mill.. Decent striker and suits spurs..

by **redhayesy** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:02 am

Toffeehater wrote:He's good to have as a backup and he didn't do as badly as some are making out , he has talent but for a striker he's usually playing too deep and that could be a problem . Would be interesting to see how a good season has worked out for him and whether he can show that consistency and form here in the premier league

i knew if i looked hard enough someone on here would raise my spirits & help lift the doom & gloom of everyday life/poloticians exspences etc! well done mate it's the best laugh iv'e had tonight by far- Voronin a good back up!

(fecking p1ss1ng myself laughing) i know times are hard financially at our FC, but like you say mate if we ae to have him back then we really are in too deep.

im talking about deep sh1t by the way cause that's what it will be if we have to settle for the 70's porn star returning! please let's go forwards not backwards- thanks again tw1t & tw@t!

by **DrPepe** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:43 am

Alex G. wrote:He wasn´t given a fair chance? He played 30 games in 6 months. Far enough. And if he doesn´t Know how to play alone up front, it shows his limitations. excuses.

Yes exactly

I've pretty much had my fill of suggestions keane was particularly hard done by Rafa :angry:

I read a statistic that Keane played more than 70% of all LFCs game time during the time he was with us

He was regularly substituted at Rafa's milestone 70-75min mark :grinning:

but virtually everyone experiences that in our team - it's the bosses way! if you haven't performed well, what do you expect?

Also this bullsh it about not playing him when he's on a scoring streak - how many times did that actually happen? not many i'm sure, the guy didn't score that many, after all - and conversely how many times did rafa show confidence in the fella and play him in consecutive games, only for him to feck up easy chances or show a bad attitudde on the pitch? a lot
:idea

by **bigmick** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:12 am

It's a shame that you've "had your fill" of suggestions that keane was hard done by Doc. Best bet is not to read the comments I reckon.

The truth of the matter in my opinion is that Keane's treatment at the hands of the manager was nothing short of ridiculous. He started slowly, as players often do, but it is the managers job to use whatever assets are at his disposal to their maximum in ordere to facilitate an attempt to win trophies. Ten minutes of watching N'Gog play should have been enough to convince anyone that it was in everyone's interests for Keane to find some form just in case Torres got injured. Now in order to help a player find form, you can cajole, you can bullsh!t, you can put your arm around his shoulder, you can praise him up. Basically, whatever it takes to get him to play well was worth it, particularly given the vulnerability of Torres's fitness.

Instead, we allowed ourselves to get embroiled in a power struggle over who actually gave the final go-ahead to pay the fee, and the good of the team was sacrificed IMHO in order to make a point. The time to have arguemnts about the size of the fee and who gave the go ahead to actually pay it, was at the very earliest just before the transfer window, and in all likelyhood at the end of the season.

So as I say, it's the managers job to get the players to play somewhere near their maximum. I've listed a couple of ways which that can be made more likely, but we didn't do those. On both of the occasions when Keane scored two goals in one match, we hauled him off and dropped him in the next match. Now had he have played in the next match, there is a chance that he would have scored again and got himself on a roll (particularly as one of the games in question was against Newcastle).

Instead though, we decided to do everything we could to ensure the player lost any confidence he had. Even worse than that, much worse than that in fact because I don't give a feck about Robbie Keane, was we then decided to sell him without bringing in a replacement. the result of that was we then had to play Torres in virtually every match (amaziong for an arch rotationer to put himself in that position) despite the fact that he patently obviously wasn't 100% for some of the matches.

It amazes me that people offer up Torres being injured for much of the season as a viable excuse for us not winning the title (it's a good reason too) and then are prepared to completely write off the importance of the way we treated a bloke who we signed for 20 million quid for the express purpose of covering for such an eventuality. It's not about whether or not Robbie Keane is worth 20 million quid, whether or not he is a good player or any of that stuff. We NEEDED him to play somewhere near the potential of his ability, and fecking him about was never likely to achive that. His form at Spurs since doesn't demonstrate that he's actually a sh!t player, it merely conforms how completely we destroyed him.

by **bigmick** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:16 am

I must also say that the bloke who says that Voronin is a better player than Keane must surely not have seen them play. Don't quote me numbers and such nonsense either when you are comparing Keane and Voronin, if you cannot see with your own eyes without the need for stats that Keane is in a different stratosphere, then I am at a loss to know what to say.

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