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[Yankee17]

My first time adding a quote so sorry if it doesn't come off correctly.

Bigmick says

Now had the Keane signing actually come off, we may have been better able to compensate for Torres's absense. At this point someone will normally quote some numbers that show we actually coped well in Torres's absense. It will quite probably be one of the same people who were saying Torres's absense cost us the league, but don't let that bother you . Equally, had we signed someone for 20 million quid who was actually worth the money, we might have been more able to roll over the bus parkers. At that point, someone will jump in and tell you that it's nothing to do with Rafa.

In my opinion, selling Keane impacted our title challenge very little.  His last game for us was at Wigan and he came on as a substitute.  After he left, our record for all comps was W14 D3 L3.

Draws:
League - City 1-1 Torres played 90 min
Champs - Chelsea 4-4 Torres played 80 min
League - Arsenal 4-4 Torres played 90 min

Losses:
FA Cup - Everton 0-1 Torres 101 min
League - Boro 2-0   TORRES DOES NOT PLAY
Champs - Chelsea 1-3 Torres 90 min

Torres absence in the second half of the season did not affect our title push, nor did missing Robbie Keane affect our title push.  I happen to think we played better and more settled after he was gone.

I agree the whole Keane saga was a sad six months for our club, but I believe that Keane's performance and attitude had more to do with his abrupt failure at Anfield that Rafa's treatment of him.  Rafa's treatment was a response to a sulky forward who was not producing the goods. 

It was very risky to sell him without cover for Torres.  Rafa gambled and got away with it.

Again to re-emphasize, selling Keane did not cause us to lose the title nor did Torres absence lose us the title.  In my opinion, we lost the title while Keane was still here, in December and January.

PS.  I don't think that Voronin is nearly as bad as some of you lot are saying.  And he is a cheap cover for Torres (not great cover mind, but cover non the less).

[bigmick]

To briefly return to Voronin, he is a far better player mthan many give him credit for in my opinion. He's not good enough for Liverpool, but certainly at a club like Bolton or Blackburn would be one of their better players. For us he won't be useless by any means, certainly better than N'Gog unless the Frenchman can metamorphasise into a footballer as he gets older, but not really the abswer I don't think as a Torres back up. I agree with what S@int said earlier, all this "I'm returning to be a success in the Premier League" means "I think I'll see out my lucrative contract thanks very much". That said, he's hardly a Saif Daiou character, if called upon I'm sure he'll do a reasonable job in his Pikey Ponytail kind of way.

[Alex G.]

I would give him a second chance, he is a decent squad player, and he cost us 0.

[agoodmentality]

Voronin Fv(k Off the wage bill you little ukrianian troll

[Aussie Style]

Look who's back...

Taken from a training session in Switzerland over the weekend I believe.
By all reports he is training well, and is a strong chance to be involved again this season.

[Kukilon]

I can't understand the hate Voronin is getting. He has behaved lite a pro which is more than most players do today. He is far from the best player in the world but he has never proclaimed to be just that either.

[bigmick]

Voronins biggest crime was signing on a free. If we'd paid 6 or 7 million for him, people would be much more receptive to his talents, such as they are. He's not good enough IMHo, but he's hardly a Dossena either. At least he manages to look like a footballer most of the time, albeit one with a pikey haircut.

[Ciggy]

I just cannot take to the bloke for some reason, I couldnt take to Pennant, Keane, Bellamy he falls into the same bracket.

[babu]

I just cannot take to the bloke for some reason, I couldnt take to Pennant, Keane, Bellamy he falls into the same bracket.

all had bad dress sense, that's why.

[tommycockles]

I just cannot take to the bloke for some reason, I couldnt take to Pennant, Keane, Bellamy he falls into the same bracket.

I'm not sure what 'bracket' Pennant, Bellamy and Keane are in, but he's hardly a flash-harry, trouble maker, or has an attitude. In fact he's been very professional in how he acts.

It's a shame people are getting on his back, he's gone away and done okay so let's give him a chance, he's got to be better than our other options. It's not like he's going to be first choice striker.

[GYBS]

Will agree with Bigmick (shock horror) that he isnt good enough to be a main starter for us but has on a number of occasions played well for us and scored goals for us , didnt he score more than keane in his one season than keane did in his one season despite playing less games for us . he was unlucky with injuries during that season and seemed to do very well in german so maybe after getting a lot of confidence he can do a decent back up job for us .

P.s whats all this constant crititsm of ngog now as well ? the guy started to show some good signs over the course of the season - showed great pace and chipped in with some goals again - all this remembering he is still a young lad with lots to learn and improve on .

[heimdall]

Even bigger shock horror is that I agree with GYBS, I think Voronin can do a job for us, he must be feeling fairly confident after a good season in Germany and who knows maybe he has improved enough to be an impact in the prem. In any case he will be a huge improvement over the fecking useless Eggnog.

Anyway lets wait and see how he gets on before slagging him off please.

[Liverpool KAIGELS]

Right . This means we will not be signing any strikers this summer . Voronin , Ngog , Babel .
This guys will be playing if Torres gets injured . All of them have excellent first touch and awareness .
KUDOS.

[ElNino9]

El Voro isn't a bad striker and he cost us nothing. I guarantee you he'll score more goals than Owen.

[we all dream...]

I have seen that Voronin was coming in for some flack on here recently and thought I would just try to go the other way, but seems like a few others are alredy thinking along the same lines as me.

To be blunt I would rather have Voronin than Ngog in our side for next season. In terms of here and now he is the better option for me, but I would love to be proven wrong. Not by Voronin being poor but by Ngog being great, of course.

I feel like he has been a good professional and deserves another shot at it, if he doesn't cut it this seasons move him on. We got him on a free, he has tried hard. I say that because I havn't heard any stories about him acting up etc..

At the clubs where he's got himself a few games he has done okay, never prolific but half decent and I am sure that if he keeps his confidence up he can by a decent squad player for us and that at this stage that is all we can ask for from the fella. He came on a free with not a lot of promise. He was never going to be the new Fowler was he.

Anyway his figures...

                  Apps Goals Assists
Borussia MG    9       1      1
Mainz            79     30     13
Koln              21      6      3
Leverkusen    115     37    22
Liverpool        28      6      7
Hertha Berlin   26     11     9

That gives him a goal every 3 games, just about, but I wonder how many were as a sub? He hasn't done great for the Ukraine to be honest and he is only 5 foot 10, I expected him to be above 6 foot.

Anyway my point is don't knock the lad just yet.