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by **tubby** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:39 am

JoeTerp wrote:He certainly would NOT be a suitable to back up Fernando Torres.

Based on what? Yossi is a bit lightweight sometimes but he should stil be kept as he can be used as backup for Riera/Kuyt.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:52 am

Toffeehater wrote:Samuel Eto , last year of his contract and rafa should have at least 12 million to pay upfront and the rest can be settled by installments , which should amount to 8 million or with the sale of arbeloa we can pay the 20 million at one go for him

Etoo wont come here to be back up to torres .

by **aCe'** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:21 am

GYBS wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Samuel Eto , last year of his contract and rafa should have at least 12 million to pay upfront and the rest can be settled by installments , which should amount to 8 million or with the sale of arbeloa we can pay the 20 million at one go for him

Etoo wont come here to be back up to torres .

Dont think we'd have him as backup... if we dont play 2 upfront then im sure Rafa would play him either behind Torres or down the flank... he'd do a good job down the flank imo, better than what we got down either flank...

by **tubby** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:27 am

Does he ever play that position for Barca? I thought he was a bit arsy with playing out of position.

by **stmichael** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:28 am

JoeTerp wrote:maybe domestic options like Cameron Jerome or Sylvan Ebanks-Blake. I think they would all be good options as cover for Torres.

Sorry Joe but I nearly fell off my seat after reading that

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:30 am

aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Samuel Eto , last year of his contract and rafa should have at least 12 million to pay upfront and the rest can be settled by installments , which should amount to 8 million or with the sale of arbeloa we can pay the 20 million at one go for him

Etoo wont come here to be back up to torres .

Dont think we'd have him as backup... if we dont play 2 upfront then im sure Rafa would play him either behind Torres or down the flank... he'd do a good job down the flank imo, better than what we got down either flank...

Barce play a different front three to us . - yeah he wanders out wide but he isnt the type of player for that - he does all his best work through the middle high not behind another striker - would rather silva over him .

by **kopite_1232002** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:40 am

redsince2001 wrote:Man..if Torres and Gerrard are fit throughout the season ...and we keep hold of our current crop ... we WILL win the league ... don't care who we sign

Its keeping them fit mate,

And its not gonna happen

That's why its important to sign a new striker. if Torres gets injured. we haven't got any one who can score 15 + goals other than Gerrard, and what if he got injured.

so you say what are the chances of them both being injured. well it happened last year. so a bloody good chance

by **DrPepe** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:56 am

According to Spanish radio Liverpool have managed to find the funds to make a massive bid for David Villa of Valencia.

It has seemed to be a certainty that Villa would stay in Spain but the reporter on Valencia radio stated that David Villa’s head may have been turned by Fernando Torres and that while he still wants to stay in Spain the one club he would join outside Spain is Liverpool.

Liverpool’s finances have improved it appears and they are ready to test Valencia and David Villa with a very big offer, they are very serious by all accounts and feel confident that they stand a good chance of getting him.

In Marca today the battle lines are being drawn by Barcelona and Real Madrid and with Liverpool now entering the battle it is now purely down to the player and with Torres in Villa’s ear it may not be so far fetched that David Villa indeed becomes a Liverpool player.

fantasy land stuff.....probably

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:57 am

Villa has already come out and stated he wont leave spain becuase his wife is due to give birth in october time .

by **kopite_1232002** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:01 am

if i was a pro footballer the last thing id have is a wife lol

Too much agro

by **DrPepe** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:08 am

kopite_1232002 wrote:if i was a pro footballer the last thing id have is a wife lol

Too much agro

sow your seeds, wait until retirement (35 years old! :laugh:

) - plenty of time for the wife and kids

by **stmichael** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:13 am

bigmick wrote:I think Riera is a good illustration of what I'm on about Sabre to be perfectly honest. He's obviously a very talented footballer, but does his influence on games really do justice to his talent? I don't think it does to be honest no.

I've been saying for a while (after admittedly saying he was absolute garbage before we signed him ) that he is a good enough player to be the best left sided midfielder in the league. My suspicion is though that he will never reach those hieghts, precisely because of the fact that he can't handle the physicality of the league. If he could, he could be a great player for us as opposed to the decent leftie that he is.

See if I'm Tony Hibbert and I'm playing against Riera, what am I going to do? You know categorically if you can put a mark on him he isn't going to fancy it for the rest of the match, he is eminantly influenceable in this regard. Let him play and he'll play, hurt him though and he's much less likely to be a problem.

The very best can handle the physicality. Torres is a good example, Thierry Henri, Cantona who was as hard as feck. It's not just about not being afraid though (which Riera is), it's about being physically able to do it, which Morientes wasn't.

Now Riera obviously still does excellent things because he's a very good player. Like Luis Garcia, despite being out "physicalled" he still produces in flashes because of his talent. Silva will too. There'll be curled 30 yarders against Bolton, mesmeric pieces of control as he instantly kills a miscontrol from Kuyt, little shimmies which ghost past a pair of baying defenders.

Overall though, IMHO there won't be enough. He'll flicker and occasionally light games up, but he won't illuminate in the Premiership as he does in Spain. Very much like Riera.

Good post Bigmick. I am still not convinced with Riera and I just see Babel like a Drag Racer, fast as hell but not much else. For me Riera has the odd flash here and there but has long spells of anonymity and also he looks totally knackered very quickly. As a squad player I can see him being part of things but I do think we could and should be looking at someone else as first choice on that left side.

The trouble we are going to have is that we have some bloody good players and in most positions, any player that comes in is only going to be back up, especially when it comes to the Striker role where Torres is clearly going to be playing if fit. Now top quality strikers don't come ten a penny anyway and for me that means we have a number of choices/problems:-

1) We splurge more than we would need to if Torres was not automatic first choice on a "Decent" striker (Transfer fee and wages to compensate for bench time) which may leave us with little to spend on anyone else.

2) We Buy a "Galactico" and we change our formation and revert back to the old formation should one of the two strikers get injured. However this may mean other players "Dislodged" in order to impliment the new formation may become "disillusioned" which may cause unrest.

3) We buy a Striker who is happy to sit on the bench, however any striker that is going to be happy with that is more than likely not going to be LFC quality.

4) We Promote the youth (Nemeth in particular in terms of the striker) who are going to be more willing to bide their time on the bench.

5) We buy a player such as this "Versatile winger" who can play multiple positions and can fill in should Torres get injured.

For me I think options 4 and 5 are the way to go as they are going to be the most cost effective and cause the least unrest. As much as people want us to buy a Villa or the like, if we did such a thing the only way I could see it working is if we changed formation and as it stand I am quite happy with the one we have been using.

The only problems with the last option is that of a) Who can fill that role b) Do we have enough money to get them and c) Will they come to us if we come calling?

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:20 am

[quote="stmichael"][/quote]
Some good points made here folks and most of which I would be inclined to agree with.

The one reservation I would have though concerns the quality of the youth and reserve squads. I think in the season just gone, they really did disappoint and bar the odd flash of brilliance from one or two, did nothing to suggest they're ready to take the bull by the horns and slot in to the first team when called upon. That said, I think it's a Catch 22 situation : they can't get the experience without an opportunity to show their wares, and they won't get an opportunity to do that until Torres gets injured (says he, touching a wooden table !!)

Again, I don't know the ins and outs of a PL manager having to name his first team squad for thr upcoming season, is there a cut-off date, can he promote players from the Ressies at any point etc. etc

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:27 am

Yes a good post Mike and for me it is options 4 and 5 . 4= We got Kuyt,Babel,Nemeth,Pacheco and Ngog as back up - give The last the three a chance to see what they can do - Ngog has shown he has bags off pace and can finish just lacks a bit of game knowledge and experience, Nemeth and Pacheco have loads of potential .5= Silva - Can cover both wide areas and also behind Torres .

by **Alex G.** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:36 am

Will be Pacheco called up this next season?

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