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by **tubby** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:52 am

If it really is 17Mil we would be better of with Richards but even then that could be expensive.

by **akumaface** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:01 am

Owzat wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
akumaface wrote:If say Babel went to Arsenal and end up scoring like Henry, we would have said we missed out on that. Was it because Rafa is not good at nurturing young players or those players just didn't perform??

How can you say that assuming he would be a success at Arsenal? You cannot make assumptions based on a senario which never existed. Wenger has had flops too.

Wright and Jeffers to name but two expensive English flops.

Even if Babel were to work at Arsenal wouldn't mean we made a mistake selling him. If we get last season's performances out of him then we can only base it on what he does for us, not what he might do for someone else. If we sold him to Arsenal, Wenger made him a star and sold him back to us, there's no saying he wouldn't flop again.

akumaface wrote:Well, a lot of people saying Rafa made mistake with Keane, Babel, Pennent and Bellemy but I remember a lot of us were very excited and thought those were very good signing.??

I think you might be advised to find evidence of that. On the Keane 'score', excuse the pun, I don't remember people being excited, more dubious about the fee given his age. I for one never thought that much of Pennant, Arsenal to Birmingham said enough for me. Bellamy had a good season with Blackburn but I never was "excited" by his signing.

I think you'd better go find your "lot" in the archives, try the player names in topic titles

Well again, read the whole damn thing including my previous one. I'm not trying to pick a fight.

I don't want to go through the history of the forum and tried to pick those specific thread out as it is a waste of time. Don't try to get personal as I was just saying that a lot of us did get excited about some of the players (they are examples ok as I obviously don't want to list out every god damn single player that we have bought) I had mentioned (not saying all man). THe point is for each transfer, there are those who is for and against it. Of course many would pretend to be expert now that it had proven some of the players are flop. So, again, those who were right or elect to have a memory loss or didn't say anything before would now come out and say, "I told you so, he sucks".

Theoritically speaking, who is the number one player on your transfer list now? Let's say you wanted Silva and then he flopped in liverpool, would you now blame Rafa and come out and say "I told you so, he sucks, Rafa had wasted the money blah blah blah" or will you say "I was wrong also" or you elect not to say anything?

Many fans always think they know more than the others. I'm not accusing of anybody but for those who asked themselves the question would know the answer. You don't have to prove to me as you should already know whether you are one of them. Don't try to be too sensitve as I'm not trying to attack anyone here.

by **stmichael** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:25 am

Absolutely crazy money if you ask me.

Makes you mad that we weren't prepared to go the extra mile to sign Alves. :angry:

by **lakes10** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:22 am

why are we paying 17mil for a 10mil player?

I understand that we have a good wad of money this year for new players but i dont understand why we will still pay other the odds.

could be a strange week for the club, 3 new players could come here two leave and a new loan and date set for start of the new ground, well we will just have to see what happens lol.

one out of all of them could be good as lonf as its not the two players that i like.

by **akumaface** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:37 pm

I think everything will be overpriced as we are a big club especially with other club seemingly interested in the same player. I think no matter what, Johnson is only marginally better than Arby but the fact that he is English, his price tag is really ridiculous.....The market doesn't have any quality English player and demand bigger than supply. In addition with the 6+5 rules.....

by **Owzat** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:49 pm

akumaface wrote:
Owzat wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
akumaface wrote:If say Babel went to Arsenal and end up scoring like Henry, we would have said we missed out on that. Was it because Rafa is not good at nurturing young players or those players just didn't perform??

How can you say that assuming he would be a success at Arsenal? You cannot make assumptions based on a senario which never existed. Wenger has had flops too.

Wright and Jeffers to name but two expensive English flops.

Even if Babel were to work at Arsenal wouldn't mean we made a mistake selling him. If we get last season's performances out of him then we can only base it on what he does for us, not what he might do for someone else. If we sold him to Arsenal, Wenger made him a star and sold him back to us, there's no saying he wouldn't flop again.

akumaface wrote:Well, a lot of people saying Rafa made mistake with Keane, Babel, Pennent and Bellemy but I remember a lot of us were very excited and thought those were very good signing.??

I think you might be advised to find evidence of that. On the Keane 'score', excuse the pun, I don't remember people being excited, more dubious about the fee given his age. I for one never thought that much of Pennant, Arsenal to Birmingham said enough for me. Bellamy had a good season with Blackburn but I never was "excited" by his signing.

I think you'd better go find your "lot" in the archives, try the player names in topic titles

Well again, read the whole damn thing including my previous one. I'm not trying to pick a fight.

I don't want to go through the history of the forum and tried to pick those specific thread out as it is a waste of time. Don't try to get personal as I was just saying that a lot of us did get excited about some of the players (they are examples ok as I obviously don't want to list out every god damn single player that we have bought) I had mentioned (not saying all man). THe point is for each transfer, there are those who is for and against it. Of course many would pretend to be expert now that it had proven some of the players are flop. So, again, those who were right or elect to have a memory loss or didn't say anything before would now come out and say, "I told you so, he sucks".

Theoritically speaking, who is the number one player on your transfer list now? Let's say you wanted Silva and then he flopped in liverpool, would you now blame Rafa and come out and say "I told you so, he sucks, Rafa had wasted the money blah blah blah" or will you say "I was wrong also" or you elect not to say anything?

Many fans always think they know more than the others. I'm not accusing of anybody but for those who asked themselves the question would know the answer. You don't have to prove to me as you should already know whether you are one of them. Don't try to be too sensitve as I'm not trying to attack anyone here.

It's safer to avoid not speaking "on behalf of the majority/most people", that's all

by **tubby** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:05 pm

At the end of the day yes the price is inflated but whos price isn't at the moment? We either pay it or not pay it and settle for someone else overseas who may not be able to do the job let alone satisfy the 6+5 rule.

by **Igor Zidane** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:06 pm

Cannot get me head around this one , i think he's good at best ,but not as good as arbeloa imo . What the frig do i know though , i was made up when we signed keane and the doss ,so i know bollox basically.

by **Ace Ventura** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:13 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Cannot get me head around this one , i think he's good at best ,but not as good as arbeloa imo . What the frig do i know though , i was made up when we signed keane and the doss ,so i know bollox basically.

Me mate reckons Arbeloa is better as well.

But for me Johnson is much better.
Arbeloa is better defensively but we need more from our full backs.
They should be getting beyond the wide midfield players more than ours do.

Arbeloa is a good solid player and i would definately want to keep him as he can also slot in on the left but Johnson would give us more going forward, of that i am convinced.

by **Dundalk** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:17 pm

I think its as simple as this, Arba is on the way out, we need a replacement and with the new rules comin in regarding English players we are better of getting an Englishman in

by **Redman in wales** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:28 pm

I'm with you on this one Igor. I was rejoicing when we signed keane, and wanted to sell kuyt last season. egg. on. my. face.

I think that johnson has had the best season of his career so far and the market price for him has doubled. He is not worth over £15m - not by a long shot. If that £5m for richards rumour was true, I'd go after him. Micah is only 20 and will get better. Arby is okay - does the job, but I think we can do better in that position. For that price (£18m ish) we could have a cheeky look at Maicon from inter? (though I dont think he want to come to england)

this 6+5 rule is certainly going to make this interesting, young english players are going to be more expensive because of it. Our strongest 11 would only feature 2 englishmen in gerrard and carra, and it is time we started looking at young english talent (even if it is morre expensive than the spanish counterparts). Even if that rule wont be enforced, i'm sure there'll be something similar, like the champions league squad rule at the moment, where players like Hyypia would get left out in favour of the club trained martin kelly (or similar)

by **Reg** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:36 pm

lakes10 wrote:why are we paying 17mil for a 10mil player?

Because Real Madrid paid 80 million for a 40 million player.

by **redhayesy** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:03 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:Cannot get me head around this one , i think he's good at best ,but not as good as arbeloa imo . What the frig do i know though , i was made up when we signed keane and the doss ,so i know bollox basically.

fair play mate at least you have the guts to admit it! (only joking aswell mate, who am i to dare dis the doss.)

but i do totally agree that he isn't any better than arbeloa,the one thing for me they have in common though is that going foward are good-it's the actuall job they are paid to do that is defending!

GJ is far too highly priced but i do feel that we need competition for both FB posistions, as i do rate arboloa, but a challange for his place my shake off his in-consistancy etc. hopefully it will have the desired effect if we get another RB.

by **Owzat** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:52 pm

From recollection I thought of our signings :-

Dossena : who?!? £7m, a record signing of a defender for us.
Degen : why?!? Didn't Rafa suggest that the full-backs would supply the creativity?
Keane : good player, no way worth £20m at 28yo. I admit I thought he would make a better impact and be here longer than half a season
N'Gog : 1 goal in 19 apps for PSG, why are we signing him?
Riera : wasn't a massive success at Citeh, but I guess I was anticipating perhaps a worthwhile LM at long last
Cavalieri : £3m is a lot for a back-up keeper, didn't expect to see him play much so it was not much to get excited about

of course I gave them all at least fifteen minutes before deciding they were all :censored:

. I am curious about what I thought about Babel, Voronin, Lucas and Bellamy so I'm going to dig out my own initial comments (that's the aim anyway)

EDIT : I get the feeling I might have spent some time away from these boards at the time of signing Pennant and Bellamy (variety of discussion on other forums, 19 other Premiership teams)

by **Ciggy** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:57 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 506773.ece

Portsmouth accept Liverpool bid for Glen Johnson

Window watch: England right back could be on his way to Anfield after South Coast club accept £18.5 million offer

Gary Jacob, James Ducker

Liverpool had an offer of about £18.5 million for Glen Johnson accepted last night. The successful bid comes after they struggled to raise the money to buy him when he was valued at about £8.5 million in January.

The Portsmouth and England right back subsequently signed a new four-year contract, but his future club appears clearer with Chelsea unwilling to match the fee for a player they sold for £4 million two years ago. Manchester City expressed an interest, but have not matched the price, which will include add-ons.

Liverpool will raise funds from the potential sales of Álvaro Arbeloa and Andrea Dossena and from outstanding money that they are owed from the sale of Peter Crouch to Portsmouth for £11 million a year ago. The Anfield club have expressed an interest in Micah Richards, the Manchester City defender.

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