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Bad Bob wrote:

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:Now taking them off during a game is a totally different matter heimdall - your changing the goalposts there arent you .

Off course every player can be subbed if they are playing poor no matter who they are .

You were talking about them being automatic first choice

So which is it ? them starting every game or them being allowed to be subbed

And what if they played like in training? I also mentioned that earlier, there is no shifting of goalposts here. What if Rafa wants to play 4-4-2 for example. All I'm saying is that there could be any number of reasons why with a player of Tevez's ability, who can comfortably play in both Stevie's and Nando's position, COULD replace any of them on the teamsheet. If Rafa makes that decision, instead of me offering it as an option, would you condemn him as well?

I look forward to the day when Rafa rotates Gerrard or Torres to the bench and explains in an interview that he did so because he saw something in training.  I expect you'll be full of praise for the boss on that day, mate, for making a tough call for the good of the team and won't be joining the chorus of dissenters who scream for him to play his best players and knock the fecking rotation on the head. 

I just look forward to the day when the manager actually has two top quality strikers, it's been quite a while now hasn't it?

If Rafa started Tevez and Stevie in a match then I wouldn't be disappointed at all but then I don't have the same blinkered follow the flock mentality as you two and I do realise that all players can have a dip in form and I can actually appreciate players outside the Liverpool squad, guess that makes me a glory hunting wum in your minds doesn't it.   

GYBS wrote:Lol blinkered ?!? Anyone who suggests not starting a fully fit torres needs their head read . Mad .How you can justify it by going on about appreciating players outside liverpool is amusing when your going on about the best striker in the world and best midfilder in the world at our club and on about them not starting lol

There you go again twisting the facts GYBS. Have you noticed that I have now said about 3 times in this thread alone that I consider Torres and Gerrard to be the best of the best, can you please acknowledge that you have read that!

If Torres and Gerrard ARE fully match fit AND in great form then of course they have to play BUT if they are not and if Tevez IS fully match fit AND in great form then he would be a pretty good option wouldn't he? It could also be that in certain games Tevez would given Rafa options which he wouldn't have with Torres, for example if he wants to play 2 strikers, even though that is a fairly radical idea I know.

Anyway what the hell has this got to do with the fact that Lucas is sub standard and will never make the grade in a million years?

GYBS wrote:But no matter what form torres or gerrard is in they will always start ahead of anyone and will be first names on the team sheet (baring injury) ie automatic first choices- yes tevez or whoever will be an option to start etc but not at the expense of torres or gerrard

There is no AND are on form . they will start . end off

You arrogant little sh1t, don't you dare tell me it's end of. I decide when it's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. As yet you have not convinced me with your predictable and inflexible line of reasoning so we will have to agree to disagree but don't you ever dare say it's end of to me again.   

Festy wrote:

GYBS wrote:But no matter what form torres or gerrard is in they will always start ahead of anyone and will be first names on the team sheet (baring injury) ie automatic first choices- yes tevez or whoever will be an option to start etc but not at the expense of torres or gerrard

There is no AND are on form . they will start . end off

but the fact that you think Lucas has the potential to be next Viera/kaka/Lampard/Zidane shows your judging abilities of a football player. End off.

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:But no matter what form torres or gerrard is in they will always start ahead of anyone and will be first names on the team sheet (baring injury) ie automatic first choices- yes tevez or whoever will be an option to start etc but not at the expense of torres or gerrard

There is no AND are on form . they will start . end off

You arrogant little sh1t, don't you dare tell me it's end of. I decide when it's the end of the debate as far as I'm concerned. As yet you have not convinced me with your predictable and inflexible line of reasoning so we will have to agree to disagree but don't you ever dare say it's end of to me again.   

Ok Heimdall you stick with being in the 0.0000000000000001 % of people who dont think torres or gerrard will always start when fully fit and nothing else .

Like i said thank feck your nothing to do with the management of the club .

oreilly wrote:Tevez is a class player--------but will never be as prolific as Gerrard or torres in front of  goal.

We have players like him that will run all day and night, granted he is a massive improvement on Kuyt but i just think money could be spent on better players.......

And no im not an agent but i reckon 22 mill sterling would get ribery and 8 mill would get barry--------- We would have a hell of a lot more positions cover for the 30 mill

GYBS wrote:Lol blinkered ?!? Anyone who suggests not starting a fully fit torres needs their head read . Mad .How you can justify it by going on about appreciating players outside liverpool is amusing when your going on about the best striker in the world and best midfilder in the world at our club and on about them not starting lol

GYBS you do make me laugh at the way you wind poor old heimdall up.
In a right tizz there wasnt he...? Youre very naughty


Just answer me this:
You say that Torress amd Gerrard would never be dropped if they werent injured.
Has this always been the case, or has one or both not started when not injured?