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by **Hedgehog** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:31 pm

john craig wrote:I put Cassano in the same bracket as Ibrahimovic and Totti. Players with massive reputations yet I've rarely seen them have a good game.

Zlatan has scored over fifty goals in around ninety games for Inter; it would seem that you haven't seen enough of Seria A.

I like Wolfsburg's, Edin Džeko. 23 years old and has a fantastic eye for goal.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:35 pm

RedBlood wrote:
Rorschach26 wrote:
aCe' wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
Rorschach26 wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
Kukilon wrote:Oh don't even mention that overpriced prima donna Zlatan. I'm from Sweden and he is totally overhyped and he has behaved like in every team he has ever played in. Forced transfers from Malmö, Ajax, Juventus and soon Inter. Bottles it in every big game he has ever played in. Cassano and Totti behave in the same way.

calm down mate does he owe you money or has he sha,gged your wife??

he has got a bad attitude but hes a very very good player only a fool would deny that

he sucks red don't fall into the whole o he scores loads of goals in italy he must be good trap italy have had sub standard league for long time now I say there top league is on par with our championship and thats me being nice.

i have to disagree mate, the league is nowhere near whatit was but championship?? could you see the likes of kaka, zlatan, pirlo etc playing for wolves

zlatandoes have a bad attitude and hes very lazy on the pitch and i wouldnt for a second say we should buy him but hes a very good player the things he does with a ball not many players in the world can match

so why would u wont a player with an attitude that stinks playing 4 our club

its supporteres like u Red with u jokes about thieving scousers that we need less of on here

when did i say i would want him here and when did i say anything about thieving scousers?

ignore him mate the guys obviously talking outta his there... just another know it all fella with a little too much to say...

looool aww man i wish i could be arsed 2 prove u im right

nearly every1 was having a go at him when he said it u tool

was that when you use to log on to my account and start sh.it om here?? by the way hows mum??

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by **RedBlood** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:49 pm

Ciggy wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
Rorschach26 wrote:
aCe' wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
Rorschach26 wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
Kukilon wrote:Oh don't even mention that overpriced prima donna Zlatan. I'm from Sweden and he is totally overhyped and he has behaved like in every team he has ever played in. Forced transfers from Malmö, Ajax, Juventus and soon Inter. Bottles it in every big game he has ever played in. Cassano and Totti behave in the same way.

calm down mate does he owe you money or has he sha,gged your wife??

he has got a bad attitude but hes a very very good player only a fool would deny that

he sucks red don't fall into the whole o he scores loads of goals in italy he must be good trap italy have had sub standard league for long time now I say there top league is on par with our championship and thats me being nice.

i have to disagree mate, the league is nowhere near whatit was but championship?? could you see the likes of kaka, zlatan, pirlo etc playing for wolves

zlatandoes have a bad attitude and hes very lazy on the pitch and i wouldnt for a second say we should buy him but hes a very good player the things he does with a ball not many players in the world can match

so why would u wont a player with an attitude that stinks playing 4 our club

its supporteres like u Red with u jokes about thieving scousers that we need less of on here

when did i say i would want him here and when did i say anything about thieving scousers?

ignore him mate the guys obviously talking outta his there... just another know it all fella with a little too much to say...

looool aww man i wish i could be arsed 2 prove u im right

nearly every1 was having a go at him when he said it u tool

was that when you use to log on to my account and start sh.it om here?? by the way hows mum??

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hes my brother and hes on a wind up

by **GYBS** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:57 pm

family squabbles now :laugh:

by **JoeTerp** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:07 pm

bavlondon wrote:What about Pavel Pogrebnyak the Russian fella? Perhaps not as good as Llorente but still pretty established and a solid target man.

I was actually just about to mention him.

Just got the Russian Premier League on tv over here so I look forward to seeing him more.

by **tubby** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:54 pm

He was rumored to be coming here (not Liverpool, but to England) in the Jan window but nothing happened. Plus the Russian window is different to ours. But anyway am I right in thinking he is the Russian top guy? I think Pavlyuchenko only came in during the Euros becasue he was injured right? Anyway whoever we go for I hope it is someone who can be a target man but is obviously good on his feet. An Adebayor type player....

One other option is Mario Balotelli. Italian under 21 and promising. However his character is a bit shitty, Casiragi has given him one last chance before he is booted out. Anyway he is just that type of player but is obviously very raw still as he is young. But I think he is suited for the premiership.

by **RedBlood** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:11 am

i still think buying a striker would be a waste we need to keep the 4 2 2 1 1 formation imo and buy to world class wingers to play either side of gerrard and torres, with kuyt babel nemeth ngog and pachecco as back up were well covered imo

but if we are going to buy a striker he has to be world class ie villa, eto, aguero etc its pretty pointless otherwise

by **Effes** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:19 am

RedBlood wrote:i still think buying a striker would be a waste we need to keep the 4 2 2 1 1 formation imo and buy to world class wingers to play either side of gerrard and torres, with kuyt babel nemeth ngog and pachecco as back up were well covered imo

but if we are going to buy a striker he has to be world class ie villa, eto, aguero etc its pretty pointless otherwise

But thats the thing Red, buy a world class striker and you are looking at 4-4-2.

Unless you want to play that world class striker in Riera's and Kuyt's position, which I dont think they would want.

by **heimdall** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:21 am

RedBlood wrote:i still think buying a striker would be a waste we need to keep the 4 2 2 1 1 formation imo and buy to world class wingers to play either side of gerrard and torres, with kuyt babel nemeth ngog and pachecco as back up were well covered imo

but if we are going to buy a striker he has to be world class ie villa, eto, aguero etc its pretty pointless otherwise

So what do we do when Torres gets injured again then?

by **RedBlood** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:28 am

heimdall wrote:
RedBlood wrote:i still think buying a striker would be a waste we need to keep the 4 2 2 1 1 formation imo and buy to world class wingers to play either side of gerrard and torres, with kuyt babel nemeth ngog and pachecco as back up were well covered imo

but if we are going to buy a striker he has to be world class ie villa, eto, aguero etc its pretty pointless otherwise

So what do we do when Torres gets injured again then?

if torres got injured i would stick kuyt upfront or babel, or revert to 4 4 2 with kuyt and babel upfront

but i can understand where people are coming from say if torres got injured for 6 months (god forbid) would the other strikers be up to it

i just think we cant break up the formation we have now it works so well for us and i couldnt see a great striker coming here to sit on the bench incase torres gets injured

i would put my faith in the strikers we have and give babel a proper go at being a striker before dimissing it

by **JoeTerp** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:38 am

bavlondon wrote:He was rumored to be coming here (not Liverpool, but to England) in the Jan window but nothing happened. Plus the Russian window is different to ours. But anyway am I right in thinking he is the Russian top guy? I think Pavlyuchenko only came in during the Euros becasue he was injured right? Anyway whoever we go for I hope it is someone who can be a target man but is obviously good on his feet. An Adebayor type player....

One other option is Mario Balotelli. Italian under 21 and promising. However his character is a bit shitty, Casiragi has given him one last chance before he is booted out. Anyway he is just that type of player but is obviously very raw still as he is young. But I think he is suited for the premiership.

Why would Inter sell him?

Pavlyuchenko scored more in the league (only a 30 game season) the last time they both played in it together, but it was close.

from wiki: On 28 January 2009, Zenit officials declared that they were on the verge of accepting a bid from Blackburn Rovers which would see the player move to the English side during the January transfer window, but the transfer did not take place. Pogrebnyak has also received a bid from Bolton Wanderers.

Maybe Blackburn saw him as the replacement for Santa Cruz.

by **heimdall** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:41 am

RedBlood wrote:
heimdall wrote:
RedBlood wrote:i still think buying a striker would be a waste we need to keep the 4 2 2 1 1 formation imo and buy to world class wingers to play either side of gerrard and torres, with kuyt babel nemeth ngog and pachecco as back up were well covered imo

but if we are going to buy a striker he has to be world class ie villa, eto, aguero etc its pretty pointless otherwise

So what do we do when Torres gets injured again then?

if torres got injured i would stick kuyt upfront or babel, or revert to 4 4 2 with kuyt and babel upfront

but i can understand where people are coming from say if torres got injured for 6 months (god forbid) would the other strikers be up to it

i just think we cant break up the formation we have now it works so well for us and i couldnt see a great striker coming here to sit on the bench incase torres gets injured

i would put my faith in the strikers we have and give babel a proper go at being a striker before dimissing it

Just two problems with using Kuyt and/or Babel as strikers. Firstly Kuyt is fecking useless in that role and secondly there is no way in hell Rafa will ever play Babel in his correct position which considering he's a gutless visionless player is probably not such a bad thing. We clearly need more than 1 striker, however excellent he is, and if we had two great strikers then we could actually rotate them a bit or play them together, it would give Rafa lots more options and that is a Fact No?

by **sgs** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:50 am

Vedan Ibisevic, Hoffenheim

Beck, (RB) Hoffenheim

by **RedBlood** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:57 am

heimdall wrote:
RedBlood wrote:
heimdall wrote:
RedBlood wrote:i still think buying a striker would be a waste we need to keep the 4 2 2 1 1 formation imo and buy to world class wingers to play either side of gerrard and torres, with kuyt babel nemeth ngog and pachecco as back up were well covered imo

but if we are going to buy a striker he has to be world class ie villa, eto, aguero etc its pretty pointless otherwise

So what do we do when Torres gets injured again then?

if torres got injured i would stick kuyt upfront or babel, or revert to 4 4 2 with kuyt and babel upfront

but i can understand where people are coming from say if torres got injured for 6 months (god forbid) would the other strikers be up to it

i just think we cant break up the formation we have now it works so well for us and i couldnt see a great striker coming here to sit on the bench incase torres gets injured

i would put my faith in the strikers we have and give babel a proper go at being a striker before dimissing it

Just two problems with using Kuyt and/or Babel as strikers. Firstly Kuyt is fecking useless in that role and secondly there is no way in hell Rafa will ever play Babel in his correct position which considering he's a gutless visionless player is probably not such a bad thing. We clearly need more than 1 striker, however excellent he is, and if we had two great strikers then we could actually rotate them a bit or play them together, it would give Rafa lots more options and that is a Fact No?

i dont rate kuyt as useless and i wouldnt say babel was as bad as you describe, plus we have a few youngsters who i believe deserve a crack

i think rotating torres would be like rotating gerrad utter stupidity, rest him for the mini cup and any easy champions league aka when weve qualified but torres has to play every prem game hes avalible for

if we were going to play 4 4 2 obviously we wouldneed another striker but i reckon we should stick to whats working and if we do we have enough options imo

by **Owzat** » Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:41 pm

Kuyt hasn't been perfect as back-up striker, but useless is not a fair description. I don't know why Rafa won't give Babel a go, even just as a change once in a while. I can only guess he wants his pace on the left, give him options on the bench to bring him on there, on the right or down the middle.

I think Benayoun should be considered as a striker option, he clearly knows where the goal is and is as good a goalscorer as anyone after Gerrard and Torres - arguably he could equal Gerrard if he had as much time on the pitch.

I mentioned the dilemma regards our best formation with Torres up front on his own, and signing another striker (Keane) at the time it became an obvious issue. I said we shouldn't just play 4-4-2 because we've got two £20m+ strikers, the problem is keeping a striker happy if they're not playing regularly. Thinking about it Keane was an ungrateful cunt, he was given plenty of starts and time on the pitch, we even foresook our effective formation to accomadate him and stuck with him through his goalless start, yet you'd think he never got more than 10-20 mins on the pitch as sub and was taken off the minute he missed a chance or the minute he scored (the former the more likely scenario) Maybe we're looking to bring in a big name goalscorer when looking for a young talented striker or a striker with pace who's not prolific as a sub role player who can come off the bench and start from time to time (and cover for Torres) Maybe Eto'o would be a perfect partner for Torres, but how would that affect LM, RM and Gerrard? It may solve one problem and cause three or four more - "one problem" being keeping a quality striker happy and making most of him, three or four more starting with who to leave out, the team adapting back to 4-4-2 which may not be the best for others and what to do if Torres or the other quality striker is injured (revert to 4-5-1, play Kuyt up front, ? ? ?)

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