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by **Judge** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:55 am

Ciggy wrote:Swap Keane for Roman Pavlyuchenko or bentley and get Michael Owen back a.a.s.p.

God knows where our goals are going to come from Torres is not match fit and it may take another few games yet, and with games coming thick and fast we need a new striker if keane is not to be played.

we cannot keep releying on our fantastic captain to bail us out time and time again, its not fair on him.

agreed cigs

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:55 am

heimdall wrote:To be fair we didn't get that many goals from Robbie so no huge loss there but I believe he could have been a good striker for us if Rafa hadn't destroyed him. FACT

keane plays better with a target man and we dont have one, our system does not accomodate his style of play so its baffeling as to why Rafa bought him.

by **Reg** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:05 pm

I dont know which is more boring, over-discussing Keane, Kuyt or the Takeover.

Maybe someone could start a poll

by **RUSHIE#9** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:06 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:who has shown he is better than kuyt on the right this season ?

Answer = NO ONE

I'm just reading through this and there are some funny ones. Quite why guys are comparing Keane's game time to Kuyt's is a mystery, they aren't connected.

Keane's statrs posted up by Redman in Wales which detail each time he's scored he's been hauled off and dropped in the next game are a damning indictment of the management style for me. I said while we were doing it that it was absolutely ridiculous, and it was. Does anybody anywhere seriously believe that's the best way to handle a new striker? A striker who has moved house, shifted his kids, is getting to know his teammates, the style of training, the manager, the systems etc etc? A bloke who has been signed for a huge fee and is looking to justify it, does anybody anywhere think that handling him this way gives us the very best chance of seeing a return on his investment?

Forget about all this sh!t about him being "given a good go", I'm talking specifically about the occasions when he's managed to score a goal. Haul him off and drop him in the next game? Five times or whatever it is? If that is not ridiculously bad man management then I simply don't know what is. I suppose Keane should thank his lucky stars he didn't score more or he'd have played less .

And people defend that? Do me favour. And now, surprise surprise he is not only completely devoid of any confidence and playing absloutely sh!te (who would have thought it eh?), but he is by some accounts kicking off. Brillinat piece of management from start to finish. Fuirstly we pay 20 million quid for a 28 year old who wouldn't get into our best team even on his best form, then we feck him off to the extent where he aint worth two bob to us, and ain't worth 10 mill to anyone else. Tactical genius.

Oh and the reason i quoted GYBS's defence of Kuyt number 100436, was that I agree with him. Mind you, in fairness it's a little bit like saying "who has shown themselves better than Riena in goal all season?". Kuyt's played every match but I agree that in a 4-5-1 (only), at right midfield (only) and as long as Gerrard and Alonso are playing, he's our best bet.

I don't think anyone can have any arguments with that assessment really.

It really has been one of the main reasons why I have started to question Rafa's thinking.
Rafa may as well have taken out one of those ridiculous animated adverts around the pitch saying "FUCK OFF ROBBIE KEANE, I DON'T WANT YOU IN MY TEAM!! - Rafael Benitez", such has been his apathy to playing the lad.

I have seen in Spain that some managers will "Rotate" a striker out of the team but the player is soon back in the team and given a fair crack of the whip.
Rafa however seems to have taken this a stage further by systematically trying to destroy Robbie Keane as a top notch player.

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:18 pm

GYBS wrote:so three players have had a pop ? despite rafa making crouch an england international ? three players out of how many rafa has managed ?

"3 players have had a pop", wtf are you talking about?

I'm talking about Rafa being a terrible man manager and that is the best riposte you can come with. :no

Do you honestly think he has handled Keane, a £20 million signing, in a good and intelligent way?

I can't be bothered to write a long post detailing all Rafa's failings in man-management but I refer you to the excellent posts from BigMick which I agree 100% with on this.

by **mistyred** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:37 pm

heimdall wrote:
GYBS wrote:so three players have had a pop ? despite rafa making crouch an england international ? three players out of how many rafa has managed ?

"3 players have had a pop", wtf are you talking about?

I'm talking about Rafa being a terrible man manager and that is the best riposte you can come with.

Do you honestly think he has handled Keane, a £20 million signing, in a good and intelligent way?

I can't be bothered to write a long post detailing all Rafa's failings in man-management but I refer you to the excellent posts from BigMick which I agree 100% with on this.

I agree mate. with what youself and Mick have said.

Rafa can be tactical all he likes but players are
not cyborgs and have emotions and feelings.

I understand he is not a parent or nanny to these players...Well maybe Kuyt, but he should treat them with more respect.

Give respect to earn respect, it's not a crime.

How the hell he expect's to get the best out of certain players
with his lack of man management is beyond me.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:41 pm

so what makes rafa such a bad man manager ? is it when he is sticking by his players despite them not scoring for games ?

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:42 pm

and maybe those players need to earn the respect of the manager ? why should he just give out respect just cause they are poor little footballers being paid millions . respect should be earnt not given .

by **mistyred** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:45 pm

Understand your point Gybs, But respect works both way's.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:47 pm

Yes it does misty and does storming out (if it true ) show respect towards the manager ?

As been said its the manager who runs things - the boss - so he has to be respected - if you dont respect the boss your going to get nowhere - In turn the players have to earn the respect of the manager - i know that seems harsh but thats the way life works .

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:48 pm

GYBS wrote:so what makes rafa such a bad man manager ? is it when he is sticking by his players despite them not scoring for games ?

I don’t think that’s the part in question - we saw with both crouch and with keane when they first came here and were adapting to new systems and new players, Rafa gave them many games in a row when they weren't scoring to find their feet.

The point he's trying to make is that when they do score, THEN Rafa subs them off and drops them for the next game. - thats whats wrong here.

That's what Bigmick and heimdall are alluding too. (albeit the latter going one stap further and generalising rafa as a bad man manager overall)

NB for the record - personally I don’t think he is a bad man manager - its just the way Keane has been treated I disagree with

by **lakes10** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:48 pm

GYBS wrote:so what makes rafa such a bad man manager ? is it when he is sticking by his players despite them not scoring for games ?

but as soon as they star to get goals he puts the on the bench, Keane, Crouch, WHY? easy, he did not pick then to come to the club, its ok to play them when they look :censored:

but as soon as they look like they could be good he drops them and plays some :censored:

player that he picked to buy.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:49 pm

No one really knows if Rafa is a bad man manager or a good one, he gives out the impression that he is cold as ice but we dont know that for certain.

But what we do know for a fact is something has gone on with him and Keane not everyone is stupid enough to think he is just being rested when he has played 90 minutes once since his arrival.

But one thing is for certain once you are in his bad books there is no way back for you, and its looking like the writting is on the wall where Keane is concerned it will be better for everyone around including Keane himself if he moves on.

We have enough sh!t at the momment with the Yanks and Gerrards case and now Keane is in the headlines now thats 3 things we could do without.

I wouldnt want Keanes future ruined but if this continues till the end of the season it does no one any favours it will escalate and go from bad to worst.

If Arry wants him back and Keane is unhappy then its best for all parties that he moves on.

by **stmichael** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:50 pm

Harry Redknapp should be on an FA tapping-up charge. The guy is a disgrace.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:50 pm

lakes10 wrote:
GYBS wrote:so what makes rafa such a bad man manager ? is it when he is sticking by his players despite them not scoring for games ?

but as soon as they star to get goals he puts the on the bench, Keane, Crouch, WHY? easy, he did not pick then to come to the club, its ok to play them when they look but as soon as they look like they could be good he drops them and plays some player that he picked to buy.

crouch still played lots and lots of games for us until torres arrived at the club then crouch was relegated to back up - yeah the 07 final was the wrong descion not to play hi and will admit rafa fecked up then but crouch started believing his own hype in the end and when he did play a lot of times he looked like he wasnt bothered - but rafa still trated and still wanted him hence he wanted him to sign a new contract so he was rafas player - keane even thou he has scored a few still has looked way off form in pretty much most of his games - i cant remember one game where keane was outstanding throughtout the game .

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