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by **Zidane** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:22 am

Run for the hills Robbie!

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:54 am

Every single paper has got that he is either heading back to Spurs, Newcastle or City if he is goin it doesnt give us much time to get in a replacement :glare:

by **Owzat** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:56 am

Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, sitting on the bench,
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, with his butt cheeks clenched,
Will he come on?
Or is (sheriff) Rafa mean?
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane!

He wanted to play for the greatest team of all,
But he left his shooting boots back at the lane,
We're all banging our heads against a brick wall,
The situation is driving us all insane

Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, sitting on the bench,
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, with his butt cheeks clenched,
Will he come on?
Or is (sheriff) Rafa mean?
Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane, Robbie Keane!

derived from lyrics on http://www.snopes.com/weddings/embarrass/robinhood.asp , from an old Robin Hood series which I have heard this song from, but can only recall the chorus in my mind. (so apologies if the middle bit don't quite fit)

by **elninonumber9** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:00 am

i hope he leaves, im hoping for 15 million tho, he doesnt suit us, we should sign another player similar to torres or just play 4-5-1 or 5-4-1

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:24 am

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:who has shown he is better than kuyt on the right this season ?

Answer = NO ONE

I'm just reading through this and there are some funny ones. Quite why guys are comparing Keane's game time to Kuyt's is a mystery, they aren't connected.

Keane's statrs posted up by Redman in Wales which detail each time he's scored he's been hauled off and dropped in the next game are a damning indictment of the management style for me. I said while we were doing it that it was absolutely ridiculous, and it was. Does anybody anywhere seriously believe that's the best way to handle a new striker? A striker who has moved house, shifted his kids, is getting to know his teammates, the style of training, the manager, the systems etc etc? A bloke who has been signed for a huge fee and is looking to justify it, does anybody anywhere think that handling him this way gives us the very best chance of seeing a return on his investment?

Forget about all this sh!t about him being "given a good go", I'm talking specifically about the occasions when he's managed to score a goal. Haul him off and drop him in the next game? Five times or whatever it is? If that is not ridiculously bad man management then I simply don't know what is. I suppose Keane should thank his lucky stars he didn't score more or he'd have played less .

And people defend that? Do me favour. And now, surprise surprise he is not only completely devoid of any confidence and playing absloutely sh!te (who would have thought it eh?), but he is by some accounts kicking off. Brillinat piece of management from start to finish. Fuirstly we pay 20 million quid for a 28 year old who wouldn't get into our best team even on his best form, then we feck him off to the extent where he aint worth two bob to us, and ain't worth 10 mill to anyone else. Tactical genius.

Oh and the reason i quoted GYBS's defence of Kuyt number 100436, was that I agree with him. Mind you, in fairness it's a little bit like saying "who has shown themselves better than Riena in goal all season?". Kuyt's played every match but I agree that in a 4-5-1 (only), at right midfield (only) and as long as Gerrard and Alonso are playing, he's our best bet.

Absolutely agree with your summary there mate...how the hell is a bloke supposed to justify that fee, and/or score goals, if a) he's sitting on the bench, b) he's not even selected in the squad, or c) if after scoring a couple of decent goals, the manager reverts to form and drops him for the next dozen matches or so.
I think personally Rafa is over-petulant. Not that I have any insider info, but there have been many stories of him falling out with players who question his decisions.

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:38 am

Rafa has got to be one of the worst man managers ever, FACT!

Owners must be delighted that we've just wasted another £10 million at least, maybe Rafa should have signed that contract already.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:42 am

How is exactly is it fact ? what makes it FACT then eddie ?

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:44 am

Swap Keane for Roman Pavlyuchenko or bentley and get Michael Owen back a.a.s.p.

God knows where our goals are going to come from Torres is not match fit and it may take another few games yet, and with games coming thick and fast we need a new striker if keane is not to be played.

we cannot keep releying on our fantastic captain to bail us out time and time again, its not fair on him.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:46 am

would be happy with pavlyuchenko - wanted him during the summer .

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:47 am

GYBS wrote:How is exactly is it fact ? what makes it FACT then eddie ?

Oh FFS it's a bit of humour based on his rant at Fergie where he ended every sentence with the word Fact.

Will you please chill out, take that bug out of your :censored:

, and stop looking to attack me at every possible opportunity, it's getting quite tedious and pathetic!

Plus wtf is with the Eddie?

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:48 am

Ciggy wrote:Swap Keane for Roman Pavlyuchenko or bentley and get Michael Owen back a.a.s.p.

God knows where our goals are going to come from Torres is not match fit and it may take another few games yet, and with games coming thick and fast we need a new striker if keane is not to be played.

we cannot keep releying on our fantastic captain to bail us out time and time again, its not fair on him.

To be fair we didn't get that many goals from Robbie so no huge loss there but I believe he could have been a good striker for us if Rafa hadn't destroyed him. :no

FACT

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:49 am

Ok eddie , will rephrase the question - how is rafa one of the worst man managers ever ?

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:52 am

GYBS wrote:Ok eddie , will rephrase the question - how is rafa one of the worst man managers ever ?

Two words and two strikers Crouch and Keane and you can probably add Pennant to that list as well. I never really rated Pennant but he offered a hell of a lot more going forward than Kuyt ever will but never got a game.

Even Stevie has admitted that Rafa is a virtual recluse and hardly ever talks with the players, that is NOT good man-management especially when you are dealing with people who are not too bright, which I think is fair to say of most footballers.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:52 am

Earlier in the season many people were comparing Keane to Berbatov, along the lines of "well look at who the Mancs spunked 30 million on, he's no better". The truth is, he wasn't either. Pundits and fans alike questioned the fee and whether the Bulgarian was good enough. No doubt some still do, but if you compare and contrast Ferguson's treatment of his big signing with Rafa's treatment of his, there is a glaring difference.

At every opportunity, he has been picked for starters (Berbatov that is). This is even the case when Tevez is waiting in the wings and has looked sharp when he's played. It would have been oh so easy to drop a misfiring Berbatov and stick with Tevez, but they haven't done that in the main. Ferguson has picked him and praised him up, both for his efforts and for his attitude. Never at any stage has there been any doubt left in anyones mind that the manager fully believed in the player, and that he fully endorsed the view that he would prove a good buy.

Contrast to Keane where he has barely completed a full match. He has rarely started the next match if he scored a goal in the previous one, and has never started a match in the immediate aftermath of scoring twice. Praise and obvious belief in the player have been rare in the extreme recently, both in interviews and in actions. The thing has deteriorated to such an extent that you now have the absolutely ridiculous spectacle of Rafa's pet journalist spinning that the manager tried to block the signing of Keane. I'll bet that's doing wonders for the players demeanour, and to me this is a terrible way to carry on.

In the same circumstances, anybody who had an ounce of appreciation of how the human mind and confidence works would be in the press straight away putting that rumour to bed. "Lets make it clear here and now, I signed Robbie Keane. Not Rick Parry, not anyone else. Me and me alone. I did it because I believe he is a really top player, and I still do. He hasn't produced his best yet, but he will. I'm looking forward to when Robbie starts playing as we all know he can, then we are going to find all the journalists who said he was a waste of money and laugh in their face. There's no worries about Robbie Keane, you mark my words. He's a fecking brilliant player".

I nicked the last bit from an interview a few years back. It was Ferguson when he was talking about Juan Sebastian Veron. As it turned out, Veron never really did reproduce the form which had made him a 28 million pound player. He was still fairly decent though, and at least he can't say he wasn't given every opportunity. It's a bit like Berbatov, he's been given every chance. I'm not a stat man by any means, but my impression is that he's beginning to find his feet as well, coming up with the odd important goal. He looks to me like he's starting to settle, starting to believe in himself and show confidence. Keane on the other hand looks like he really isn't enjoying life or football too much. Funny that, or at least it would be if RAFA hadn't signed him six months ago for 20 million quid.

And then he wants more control over transfers, after this Summers dealings :laugh:

Feck me you couldn't make it up.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:53 am

so three players have had a pop ? despite rafa making crouch an england international ? three players out of how many rafa has managed ?

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