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by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:13 am

Kharhaz wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

We havent, rafa has. When he was subbed you could see something in him just snap. Keane has clearly had enough.

And I dont blame him. Rafa has treated Keane like what you leave in the toilet. Ive always thought keane a good player but never worth £20 million. However that is not in the players hand the fee paid for him but everytime you see him subbed hes not happy. And I dont blame him. Keane was poor last night but who is at fault? Rafa for me. He is treating Keane worse than he treated Cisse. We see the good in rafa, but we should also acknowledge the bad, in the treatment of players representing the club. Keane hasnt had a chance to show himself. And that lies with rafa.

Well he got the chance to night Khahaz an he done :censored:

all same as loads of chances hes had.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:20 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

We havent, rafa has. When he was subbed you could see something in him just snap. Keane has clearly had enough.

And I dont blame him. Rafa has treated Keane like what you leave in the toilet. Ive always thought keane a good player but never worth £20 million. However that is not in the players hand the fee paid for him but everytime you see him subbed hes not happy. And I dont blame him. Keane was poor last night but who is at fault? Rafa for me. He is treating Keane worse than he treated Cisse. We see the good in rafa, but we should also acknowledge the bad, in the treatment of players representing the club. Keane hasnt had a chance to show himself. And that lies with rafa.

Well he got the chance to night Khahaz an he done all same as loads of chances hes had.

Yeah Nanny, but what do you do with Keane now?

by **Kharhaz** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:20 am

NANNY RED wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

We havent, rafa has. When he was subbed you could see something in him just snap. Keane has clearly had enough.

And I dont blame him. Rafa has treated Keane like what you leave in the toilet. Ive always thought keane a good player but never worth £20 million. However that is not in the players hand the fee paid for him but everytime you see him subbed hes not happy. And I dont blame him. Keane was poor last night but who is at fault? Rafa for me. He is treating Keane worse than he treated Cisse. We see the good in rafa, but we should also acknowledge the bad, in the treatment of players representing the club. Keane hasnt had a chance to show himself. And that lies with rafa.

Well he got the chance to night Khahaz an he done all same as loads of chances hes had.

But as was mentioned during the match, he didnt have a lot to go on did he? When Torres missed his sitter people pointed out that keane was there to knock it in. Im putting myself in his shoes, I really do feel he has been hard done by. Look at the match against Preston. When keane went off, gerrard set up torres for a sitter, did keane get such a gift? I feel sorry for the lad I really do.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:23 am

bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on. :no

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:27 am

s@int wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

We havent, rafa has. When he was subbed you could see something in him just snap. Keane has clearly had enough.

And I dont blame him. Rafa has treated Keane like what you leave in the toilet. Ive always thought keane a good player but never worth £20 million. However that is not in the players hand the fee paid for him but everytime you see him subbed hes not happy. And I dont blame him. Keane was poor last night but who is at fault? Rafa for me. He is treating Keane worse than he treated Cisse. We see the good in rafa, but we should also acknowledge the bad, in the treatment of players representing the club. Keane hasnt had a chance to show himself. And that lies with rafa.

Well he got the chance to night Khahaz an he done all same as loads of chances hes had.

Yeah Nanny, but what do you do with Keane now?

Meself personaly Saint id get rid. Which is a shame because i was made up when we bought him loved his enthusiasm for the game but hes shown none of that here . I do feel sorry for the lad that its not happenin for him but maybe Spurs were his measure. Dont forget he was Mr big lad at spurs but hes just another player here , id love to be proved wrong an for him to nuclke down but i really cant see it happening

by **Fowler_E7** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:29 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on.

Im sorry but i completly disagree with that. Keane has been poor, but the way he has been used and treated has been an absolute farce. He had a very poor begining to his Liverpool career, but as soon as he got a few goals and put in a few performances what does Rafa doo? drop him, or sub him of after 60 minutes. Strikers thrive when there confident and Keane has had his confidence ripped to shreds by the manager. Keane at 30% is better than that donkey Kuyt, who starts every game and gets the full 90 mins no matter how much dross he produces, it must be soul destroying for Robbie Keane

by **devaney** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:34 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on.

No no no no no - the only way to get the best out of Keane is to play him for ninety minutes in every match regardless of how :censored:

he is - let him pick the team - take all the penalties - and get a massage from Rafa after the game !!

I have said until I am blue in the face that Keane cannot handle title chasing pressure. It has got nothing to do with the way he has been treated.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:41 am

devaney wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on.

No no no no no - the only way to get the best out of Keane is to play him for ninety minutes in every match regardless of how he is - let him pick the team - take all the penalties - and get a massage from Rafa after the game !!

I have said until I am blue in the face that Keane cannot handle title chasing pressure. It has got nothing to do with the way he has been treated.

To be fair I don't think it has anything to do with Keane not handling the title chasing pressure either........ he was just as poor in preseason.

by **devaney** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:41 am

Fowler_E7 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on.

Im sorry but i completly disagree with that. Keane has been poor, but the way he has been used and treated has been an absolute farce. He had a very poor begining to his Liverpool career, but as soon as he got a few goals and put in a few performances what does Rafa doo? drop him, or sub him of after 60 minutes. Strikers thrive when there confident and Keane has had his confidence ripped to shreds by the manager. Keane at 30% is better than that donkey Kuyt, who starts every game and gets the full 90 mins no matter how much dross he produces, it must be soul destroying for Robbie Keane

I think you will find that that donkey Kuyt has scored more goals this season than Keane.

Keane started in the first fourteen Premiership matches this season and he was subbed time and time again because he didn't score or create anything. What was Rafa supposed to do? Personally I didn't think Keane could get any worse but after tonight he has reached a new level of disappointment.

by **Fowler_E7** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:45 am

devaney wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on.

Im sorry but i completly disagree with that. Keane has been poor, but the way he has been used and treated has been an absolute farce. He had a very poor begining to his Liverpool career, but as soon as he got a few goals and put in a few performances what does Rafa doo? drop him, or sub him of after 60 minutes. Strikers thrive when there confident and Keane has had his confidence ripped to shreds by the manager. Keane at 30% is better than that donkey Kuyt, who starts every game and gets the full 90 mins no matter how much dross he produces, it must be soul destroying for Robbie Keane

I think you will find that that donkey Kuyt has scored more goals this season than Keane.

Keane started in the first fourteen Premiership matches this season and he was subbed time and time again because he didn't score or create anything. What was Rafa supposed to do? Personally I didn't think Keane could get any worse but after tonight he has reached a new level of disappointment.

actually they both have 7, and Kuyt has probably had double the amount of time on the pitch, also Keane offers more to the team in terms of creativty as he can actually pass a ball and link up play, Kuyt may get a goal every now and then but offers nothing else, and constantly breaks down opportunitys with his lack of abilty and touch.

by **liverforever** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:20 am

Lads you have to bit or lips and give the man a chance. We have to wait and see what there reply will be to giving utd the chance to pull away let me tell you utd will slip up there already down on points from last term.

by **aCe'** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:48 am

Fowler_E7 wrote:
devaney wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:I'm certain we've handled Keane badly and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

B*llocks.

If he started playing like a good player, he'd be treated as one.

Seeing as he's played like a Badger with a sack of sh*t tied to its a*se from day one, that's how he shoudl be treated.
Poncy flicks with the goal at his mercy. Trying to be a clever little b*stard when the entire team was playing to get his first goal.

He's not Ronaldinho. He's not Pele.

He's a mardy little sh*thouse who doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, and I hope he has his a*se fined off for his continued outbursts when subbed.

For Christ's sake - it's not as if he has played well enough to justify leaving him on.

Im sorry but i completly disagree with that. Keane has been poor, but the way he has been used and treated has been an absolute farce. He had a very poor begining to his Liverpool career, but as soon as he got a few goals and put in a few performances what does Rafa doo? drop him, or sub him of after 60 minutes. Strikers thrive when there confident and Keane has had his confidence ripped to shreds by the manager. Keane at 30% is better than that donkey Kuyt, who starts every game and gets the full 90 mins no matter how much dross he produces, it must be soul destroying for Robbie Keane

I think you will find that that donkey Kuyt has scored more goals this season than Keane.

Keane started in the first fourteen Premiership matches this season and he was subbed time and time again because he didn't score or create anything. What was Rafa supposed to do? Personally I didn't think Keane could get any worse but after tonight he has reached a new level of disappointment.

actually they both have 7, and Kuyt has probably had double the amount of time on the pitch, also Keane offers more to the team in terms of creativty as he can actually pass a ball and link up play, Kuyt may get a goal every now and then but offers nothing else, and constantly breaks down opportunitys with his lack of abilty and touch.

spot on

by **bigmick** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:04 am

If the people who are supporting Keane (which include me) are having to resort to pointing out that he offers more up front than Kuyt, then things must be bad. Yes he's better up top than Kuyt, and yes he's been treated poorly in many people's view, but his performance against Everton was frighteningly bad.

I say frighteningly bad simply because I don't think I've ever seen a player with so much ability look quite as bad as that. From the first minute he looked terrified, terrifed to move, to find space, terrified to get it, terrified he was going to run into someone elses's space. He may have kicked off a bit when he came off (I don't know) but I am certain that he couldn't wait to get himself off the pitch. My guess is that he will have finished his hour or so absolutely knackered, such was the tension evident in every muscle of his body.

As I said earlier, exactly who's fault that is, is hardly the point at this stage. The point is, it's our problem as a football club. It's a problem in that he is absolutely no use to us whatsoever in that state, and in that we have just spunked 20 million quid on buying the poor bugger.

Perish the thought that Torres should get injured again (and hamstrings do have a high rate of recurrence) because we currently haven't got an alternative striker worthy of the name such is Keane's malaise.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:44 am

As a follow on to the previous post, having seen Keane today I would seriously consider taking a striker either on loan or on a small fee. Based on what we saw Keane isn't going to coming good anytime soon I don't think, and if Torres gets injured we are absolutely fecked.

We have as potential front players unless I've forgotten somebody, Kuyt (in the name of God, no), Egg Nog (I don't know what to say) and Keane (who currently is absolutely shot to pieces).

I would very seriously consider taking somebody on loan.

by **Leonmc0708** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:52 am

Gerrard was absolutely brilliant tonight lets be honest. Great. His confidence is clearly absolutely high, he was everywhere and for the first time this season he actually looked glad to score. Now whether it's his own fault that his confidence is up,whether it's Rafa's fault or my fault doesn't really matter too much right now, the question is where do we go from here with him?

From his contribution tonight, you could be forgiven for thinking that he is absolutely superb, but we know that actually he isn't. That said, from where he is now to getting to a point where he makes no contribution is quite a quantum leap, and it may take time. Time isn't something we are actually in posession of much of at the moment, so what do we do?

Do we just give up and flog him off, probably taking a 20 or 30 million pound profit into the process? Do we persevere and stick with the 4-4-1-1? Do we continue with the current policy of giving him every game and hope his confidence stays, or do we write this season off as a good job with him and give it another try next time around?

The problem is which struck me against Everton a couple of times while Torres was displaying his brilliance, even at 80% fit, is what the feck do we do if Torres breaks down again? Clearly Kuyt is no striker (and once again he showed us how true that statement is tonight for the last 20 mins) so who would we play there? Egg Nog?

It's really a tricky one. I'm certain we've handled Gerrard really well and it's directly contributed to his state of mind, but what we should do with him now, feck knows to be honest.

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