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Scottbot wrote:

devaney wrote:Many pundits thought that Torres and Keane would work well together and form an impressive partnership. Were they all talking cr.p or am I missing something.

How many games have they played together?

Fo Dne wrote:Anyone who questions his ability should check out his goal scoring record over the years.

Quadrophenia wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:Anyone who questions his ability should check out his goal scoring record over the years.

I suppose Morientes' bad spell at Liverpool was down to Benitez as well despite him being played up front at all times and having a great goal scoring record behind him?

Robbie Keane is a proven Premiership player and has enough talent to make it at Liverpool but he's not showing it, in the time he's on the pitch. The chance he missed against Bolton was a joke, but no doubt that was down to being brought off against West Brom. He's not settled and hasn't really had time to settle on a partnership with Torres and/or Gerrard but when he's been played he's looked poor and was rightfully dropped yesterday against Marseille.

Quadrophenia wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:Anyone who questions his ability should check out his goal scoring record over the years.

I suppose Morientes' bad spell at Liverpool was down to Benitez as well despite him being played up front at all times and having a great goal scoring record behind him?

Robbie Keane is a proven Premiership player and has enough talent to make it at Liverpool but he's not showing it, in the time he's on the pitch. The chance he missed against Bolton was a joke, but no doubt that was down to being brought off against West Brom. He's not settled and hasn't really had time to settle on a partnership with Torres and/or Gerrard but when he's been played he's looked poor and was rightfully dropped yesterday against Marseille.

destro wrote:Has anyone heard Rushies comments on Keane and the pressure of playing for a club like Liverpool, and comparing him to Morienttes, Bellamy and Heskey ?

I heard a tiny bit on Talksport and Danny Kelly slating him for saying what he said but I missed it

Quadrophenia wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

Quadrophenia wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:Anyone who questions his ability should check out his goal scoring record over the years.

I suppose Morientes' bad spell at Liverpool was down to Benitez as well despite him being played up front at all times and having a great goal scoring record behind him?

Robbie Keane is a proven Premiership player and has enough talent to make it at Liverpool but he's not showing it, in the time he's on the pitch. The chance he missed against Bolton was a joke, but no doubt that was down to being brought off against West Brom. He's not settled and hasn't really had time to settle on a partnership with Torres and/or Gerrard but when he's been played he's looked poor and was rightfully dropped yesterday against Marseille.

He's playing like he has zero confidence. If you can't see that then I'm wasting my time talking to you. He's trying to hard and he's taking everything to heart. He is struggling big time and putting himself under enormous pressure.

If you don't agree that being dropped all the time and being subbed in nearly every game effects confidence then you've never played game or have any knowledge of the game at any level. When you have a player who's low on confidence, he's never going to get it back by playing sporadically and treated like he's your worst player. Simple logic.

True enough, but I'm sure Lucas feels the same way yet you see no defense for him to play?

Keane is low on confidence but we can't play him for every given second hoping he plays into form. I will agree that bringing him off against West Brom with 20 minutes or so left was a pathetic decision and probably shattered the confidence he had built up, but it's up to him to prove Benitez wrong and he was given a golden oportunity to do so at Bolton, he didn't take it.

Maybe a few games on the bench will give him the kick up the he needs to kick on or maybe the latest injury will give him the confidence that he's the number one forward again. He must be played with a strike partner though because he isn't capable of playing the lone forward role.

Kharhaz wrote:

He's playing like he has zero confidence. If you can't see that then I'm wasting my time talking to you. He's trying to hard and he's taking everything to heart. He is struggling big time and putting himself under enormous pressure.

For me this is the difference between a Liverpool player and an average one. And this is where Kuyt stands out head and shoulders. Kuyt also went through a difficult time, but unlike Keane he put in the effort to look like he is interested. Keane has played out of position once, Kuyt has played out of position continuously. But im diverting from the point. Keane has the advantage of knowing the english league inside and out. We know on form he is a great player, but my earlier point about his Tottenham days must surely held some weight.  He was left on the bench many times at tottenham because he has his off days, more often than his good days. It could be confidence. It could also be the fact that he is carrying a £20 million price tag. All I know is, as do many of us, he doesnt have the consistency to be labelled a top class player.

You're questioning the one thing that can't be questioned. His work rate and commitment is superb.

Keane is a quality player and will come good when the manager stops taking the out of him.

Fo Dne wrote:

Kharhaz wrote:

He's playing like he has zero confidence. If you can't see that then I'm wasting my time talking to you. He's trying to hard and he's taking everything to heart. He is struggling big time and putting himself under enormous pressure.

For me this is the difference between a Liverpool player and an average one. And this is where Kuyt stands out head and shoulders. Kuyt also went through a difficult time, but unlike Keane he put in the effort to look like he is interested. Keane has played out of position once, Kuyt has played out of position continuously. But im diverting from the point. Keane has the advantage of knowing the english league inside and out. We know on form he is a great player, but my earlier point about his Tottenham days must surely held some weight.  He was left on the bench many times at tottenham because he has his off days, more often than his good days. It could be confidence. It could also be the fact that he is carrying a £20 million price tag. All I know is, as do many of us, he doesnt have the consistency to be labelled a top class player.

You're questioning the one thing that can't be questioned. His work rate and commitment is superb.

Keane is a quality player and will come good when the manager stops taking the out of him.

Fo Dne wrote:I agree he's not a lone forward. The lad however does need games and goals and to feel like he belongs. It will come eventually. Of that I have no doubt. The lad has vision and intelligence and links the play excellently. When he finds form and it will happen, we'll have one hell of a strike force.

Quadrophenia wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:I agree he's not a lone forward. The lad however does need games and goals and to feel like he belongs. It will come eventually. Of that I have no doubt. The lad has vision and intelligence and links the play excellently. When he finds form and it will happen, we'll have one hell of a strike force.

He's had games and got a few goals yet still not the Robbie Keane I was expecting.

I do agree the manager must take some blame for bringing him off constantly, not only that but he's made him knock his tradmark celebration on the head. Keane has quality, but at the moment isn't showing it, for whatever reason. We need him to step up now and if he does, hopefully he won't be brought off every game.

He probably feels like the manager is taking the out of him. Which he is effectively. Its every week and its breaking his rhythm any time he gets some.

Scores his first goal after weeks and weeks then bang. Dropped. Rhythm broke. Scores two against West Brom, then taken off. He'll be off again, its back to square one everytime when you do that to a player.

I remember Owen going on scoring runs under Houllier, 4 games in a row, then getting dropped and not scoring when he came back in. Strikers get into a rhythm and it doesn't take much to break it. The slightest thing can damage there confidence and they go back to square one.

Benitez needs to understand this. He doesn't. His man management is awful.

Fo Dne wrote:

Scottbot wrote:

devaney wrote:Many pundits thought that Torres and Keane would work well together and form an impressive partnership. Were they all talking cr.p or am I missing something.

How many games have they played together?

I can't quite believe people can't see whats going on with Robbie Keane. The lads a proven quality player. Themoney paid for him was a joke, but he was the right player and has the right quality and attributes to make the team better.

The problem is the clown.

Taking him off EVERY GAME and completely destroying his confidence. He has found it hard to settle and Benitez is making it even harder for him by dragging him off every match. As soon as he scored his first goal, he was dropped. He scored two against West Brom then was subbed.

He's getting a midfielder played upfront ahead of him.

ALL these things will effect his confidence. If the clown doesn't realise this, then he'll never get the best out of a very good player. He hasn't settled at all and the reason is the manager. Its as simple as that.

Anyone who questions his ability should check out his goal scoring record over the years. He's more than good enough. Rafa is failing to get the best out of a player who could help us reach another level once he's settled.

Fo Dne wrote:

Quadrophenia wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:Anyone who questions his ability should check out his goal scoring record over the years.

I suppose Morientes' bad spell at Liverpool was down to Benitez as well despite him being played up front at all times and having a great goal scoring record behind him?

Robbie Keane is a proven Premiership player and has enough talent to make it at Liverpool but he's not showing it, in the time he's on the pitch. The chance he missed against Bolton was a joke, but no doubt that was down to being brought off against West Brom. He's not settled and hasn't really had time to settle on a partnership with Torres and/or Gerrard but when he's been played he's looked poor and was rightfully dropped yesterday against Marseille.

He's playing like he has zero confidence. If you can't see that then I'm wasting my time talking to you. He's trying to hard and he's taking everything to heart. He is struggling big time and putting himself under enormous pressure.

If you don't agree that being dropped all the time and being subbed in nearly every game effects confidence then you've never played game or have any knowledge of the game at any level. When you have a player who's low on confidence, he's never going to get it back by playing sporadically and treated like he's your worst player. Simple logic.