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[tonyeh]

Stu , it's down to keane to find his form NOT RAFA. It's up to keane to make it impossible for rafa to bench him or sub him . Keane is now at a big club ,so he has to step it up . For what it's worth i think he will .

But it's up to Rafa to nutur that form when it appears. Taking Keane off n the West Brom game, when a possible hat trick was on the cards was one of the worst decisions that he could have made.

It was an appaling idea and there was NO logic behind it whatsoever. A move like that can only destroy, not build.

[Igor Zidane]

Stu , it's down to keane to find his form NOT RAFA. It's up to keane to make it impossible for rafa to bench him or sub him . Keane is now at a big club ,so he has to step it up . For what it's worth i think he will .

But it's up to Rafa to nutur that form when it appears. Taking Keane off n the West Brom game, when a possible hat trick was on the cards was one of the worst decisions that he could have made.

It was an appaling idea and there was NO logic behind it whatsoever. A move like that can only destroy, not build.

Bollox , Keane has got to learn that he's at a team challenging for the top honours , he's not the main man anymore . He's part of a squad . If he doesn't like it ,he can go the same way as Bellamy and crouch before him . It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there . It's all about competition for places. It's not about just scoring goals with rafa , it's your all round attitude and that's why Kuyt gets picked game after game . He needs to pull his socks up and get on with it , no sulking just giving 100% .

Like i say ,i rate Keane alot and think he will go on to play alot of important games for us and score lots of goals . It's only him that can do it though , Rafa can't do it for him .

[Zidane]

Keane must play and not get benched or subbed constantly.  The injury to Torres will give him a little boost and I think he will play well against West Ham who knows if he will score but he will do well I think.  Rafa can't keep being stubborn and subbing him or benching him just because he isn't scoring much, in case you haven't noticed NO one is really scoring many goals for us aside from Stevie.  We NEED Keane to do well for us to stay at the top of the table anyone who thinks we can just throw him on the bench, use him sparsely as a sub and be okay for the season is foolish.

[tonyeh]

Stu , it's down to keane to find his form NOT RAFA. It's up to keane to make it impossible for rafa to bench him or sub him . Keane is now at a big club ,so he has to step it up . For what it's worth i think he will .

But it's up to Rafa to nutur that form when it appears. Taking Keane off n the West Brom game, when a possible hat trick was on the cards was one of the worst decisions that he could have made.

It was an appaling idea and there was NO logic behind it whatsoever. A move like that can only destroy, not build.

Bollox , Keane has got to learn that he's at a team challenging for the top honours , he's not the main man anymore . He's part of a squad . If he doesn't like it ,he can go the same way as Bellamy and crouch before him . It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there . It's all about competition for places. It's not about just scoring goals with rafa , it's your all round attitude and that's why Kuyt gets picked game after game . He needs to pull his socks up and get on with it , no sulking just giving 100% .

Like i say ,i rate Keane alot and think he will go on to play alot of important games for us and score lots of goals . It's only him that can do it though , Rafa can't do it for him .

But he was "challenging" is the West Brom game. He scored two goals, was getting into good positions and looked like scoring more. How more "challenging" do you want?

Yet Rafa, in his wisdom, chose to take him off on his customary 60 mins. That's just bad managment. There's no other way to look at that. It was bad and destructive decision and bound to cause upset to form.

Yes, it's down to the individual players to play well, when on the pitch. But it's up to the manager to encourage good form and Rafa most certainly didn't do that in that instance.

[Igor Zidane]

Yet Rafa, in his wisdom, chose to take him off on his customary 60 mins. That's just bad managment. There's no other way to look at that. It was bad and destructive decision and bound to cause upset to form.


Of course there's other ways of looking at it , tactical ,tiredness . No it's got to be that Rafa is a bad manager and he just wants to sub Keane just to p!ss you and Keane off .

[taff]

Sitting on the bench is nothing new for Robbie Keane, he had loads of bench time for Leeds and Inter.

Remember as well that he went through long periods at Spurs, both under Jol and Ramos, of being third choice behind Berbatov and Defoe, but won back his place and was the main reason for Defoe leaving.

I can't remember exactly when it was but I recollect that it may have been two seasons ago that Robbie didn't start much for Spurs before Xmas before winning back his place and scoring loads of goals after Xmas.

While I think Robbie is a good player and has goals in him yet for Liverpool ultimately I think he was the wrong choice for our £20million and if it wasn't for our lack of funds I think Benitez would go out and buy another top class forward. I don't ever see him clicking with Torres and ultimately I have my doubts whether Torres can play at his best with a partner.

Torres seems to like having the front line all to himself with a very advanced midfielder just behind, like Gerrard last year. Keane is not an "in the hole" forward and never has been so by buying him Benitez has identified the wrong type of player (Benitez specifically said he saw Robbie as a behind the front man type player). I've always followed Robbie's career closely and he has been at his most effective as a box player playing off a big man, with the big man dropping off him and allowing Robbie in on goal. He had an excellent partnership with Quinn for Ireland in his early years and formed a great partnership with Berbatov at Spurs. Even at his time at Leeds he looked his best when he played alongside Viduka. When he has played beside a smaller, fast player, like Defoe at Spurs, the two of them tend to make the same runs.

Torres is not really a target man and is far more mobile than Berbatov or Viduka and I just don't see Robbie gelling. Robbie's best game for us was when he played against West Brom up front largely on his own with Torres on the bench.

My own feeling is that we need either a forward who lies deep or an advanced midfielder who supports Torres. Keane doesn't fit the bill.

I really did not want to agree with that as it does imply that buying Keane is mainly a bad move, I want him to succeed as I rate him but unfortunately I agree with everything JBG has said

[tonyeh]

Yet Rafa, in his wisdom, chose to take him off on his customary 60 mins. That's just bad managment. There's no other way to look at that. It was bad and destructive decision and bound to cause upset to form.


Of course there's other ways of looking at it , tactical ,tiredness . No it's got to be that Rafa is a bad manager and he just wants to sub Keane just to p!ss you and Keane off .

What "tactic"?

What "tiredness"?

There was no "tactic" involved and Keane was anything but tired. He was fired up for the game and was absolutely bowled over when  he was subbed.

[Igor Zidane]

Yet Rafa, in his wisdom, chose to take him off on his customary 60 mins. That's just bad managment. There's no other way to look at that. It was bad and destructive decision and bound to cause upset to form.


Of course there's other ways of looking at it , tactical ,tiredness . No it's got to be that Rafa is a bad manager and he just wants to sub Keane just to p!ss you and Keane off .

What "tactic"?

What "tiredness"?

There was no "tactic" involved and Keane was anything but tired. He was fired up for the game and was absolutely bowled over when  he was subbed.

Oh right ,didn't know you standing next to Rafa when he made his decision sorry , Sammy isn't it.

[Quadrophenia]

It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

[tonyeh]

Yet Rafa, in his wisdom, chose to take him off on his customary 60 mins. That's just bad managment. There's no other way to look at that. It was bad and destructive decision and bound to cause upset to form.


Of course there's other ways of looking at it , tactical ,tiredness . No it's got to be that Rafa is a bad manager and he just wants to sub Keane just to p!ss you and Keane off .

What "tactic"?

What "tiredness"?

There was no "tactic" involved and Keane was anything but tired. He was fired up for the game and was absolutely bowled over when  he was subbed.

Oh right ,didn't know you standing next to Rafa when he made his decision sorry , Sammy isn't it.

That's Mr Lee to you.

[Igor Zidane]

It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

[Fo Dne]

It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

You mean like the tactical decision to replace Mascherano the other day instead of the hapless Lucas. That one decision alone proved that Benitez will never win the title at Liverpool.

The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

[JC_81]

The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

Going too far there mate.

Yes that was an odd decision, but the man's far from a clown.  I don't think that even warrants being backed up by discussion.  All I will say is that he deserves a bit more respect than you are showing him.

[Quadrophenia]

It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

No I'll be honest I don't think Benitez does it because he wants to annoy fans or because he has a problem with Keane personally. I think he does it to show "I'm the boss and I'll do things the way I want." It's not the first time he's done things like this, persisting with Kuyt, bringing Gerrard off in the derby, not picking Crouch on a regular basis, all things which most people wouldn't have done but Benitez did.

Usuaully they've paid off for him and hopefully come the end of the season we'll all be praising Benitez for dropping Keane for five games on the row here because it made him hungry and he came back with a hatful of goals.

[Leonmc0708]

It is down to him and noone else to get himself into the team and stay there.

So Keane decides if he stays in the team? Wrong. Benitez picks the team, Benitez selects who comes off and Benitez decides whether or not Keane stays in the team.

Keane scores and gets dropped. Keane is on a hattrick and gets brought off.

Keane has to like it or lump it . He doesn't like the way Rafa does things ,there's only going to be one winner.

Do people seriously think that he takes these decisions because he doesn't like Keane or he wants to p!ss the fans off or it's a guess or something.

You mean like the tactical decision to replace Mascherano the other day instead of the hapless Lucas. That one decision alone proved that Benitez will never win the title at Liverpool.

The man's a clown and the sooner he's gone, the better.

The sooner we get Rick Parry to negotiate your "fourty quid a cheeseburger and a packet of pork scratchings" severance pay deal out with Rag Ar.se Rovers and get you in the hot seat the better; as far as I am concerned.