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devaney wrote:Nanny - why are you responding to the son of Gary Neville ffs - he's a worthless and I for one hope he isn't a Liverpool supporter - really can do without the garbage he comes out with !!

An no i slated him first then felt bad cause i thought he was a kid . Nevermind 

ruskiy playmaker wrote:Keane is a good player, but if we start depending on him to get us the goals, then we'll truly be .

ruskiy playmaker wrote:Keane is a good player, but if we start depending on him to get us the goals, then we'll truly be .

heimdall wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:Keane is a good player, but if we start depending on him to get us the goals, then we'll truly be .

So in what way is he a good striker/player if he can't be relied on to get us the goals then???

Scottbot wrote:I'd suggest a few of you watch back the chance he had in yesterday's game. The ball sits up a touch, the keeper gets out very quickly and makes himself big, he could have elected to go around the keeper but it was split second stuff. The keeper made a very good save, lets not forget that. If it had happened at the other end with the likes of Johnson shooting, would our focus have been "how the hell did Johnson miss that absolute sitter!!!" or would we be praising our goalkeeper for a tremendous save? I'm not saying he shouldn't have scored but I do think the keeper deserves credit for a fantastic save and i think others would be giving the keeper some of that credit HAD it been TORRES and not Keane in that position.

Scottbot wrote:I'd suggest a few of you watch back the chance he had in yesterday's game. The ball sits up a touch, the keeper gets out very quickly and makes himself big, he could have elected to go around the keeper but it was split second stuff. The keeper made a very good save, lets not forget that. If it had happened at the other end with the likes of Johnson shooting, would our focus have been "how the hell did Johnson miss that absolute sitter!!!" or would we be praising our goalkeeper for a tremendous save? I'm not saying he shouldn't have scored but I do think the keeper deserves credit for a fantastic save and i think others would be giving the keeper some of that credit HAD it been TORRES and not Keane in that position.

heimdall wrote:Well that partly explains one of his chances which I still think Torres and even Kuyt would have scored but what about all the other misses and times where he can't figure out which foot too shoot with. If he was a palyer in a pub team I'd forgice him but for someone earning as much as he does and who us £20 million I do not forgive him. I have given him so much slack this season but he is proving to be worse and more clumsy than Crouch and that is quite an acheivement!

Scottbot wrote:

heimdall wrote:Well that partly explains one of his chances which I still think Torres and even Kuyt would have scored but what about all the other misses and times where he can't figure out which foot too shoot with. If he was a palyer in a pub team I'd forgice him but for someone earning as much as he does and who us £20 million I do not forgive him. I have given him so much slack this season but he is proving to be worse and more clumsy than Crouch and that is quite an acheivement!

I'd still put it to you that he has scored 4 in 11 (I think) and that isn't such a bad run of form. Granted it won't look so good if he fails to score in his next two games but you see what i'm saying. And also, how much slack do you really think you have given the lad!? come on! we're a third of the way through the season and there is a long way to go yet. As i said before, many posters made definitive statements (and that's putting it mildly!) about Kuyt these past 12 months and he was playing FAR worse than Robbie is now (and that was with the absolute faith and backing of the manager) and now look at him. It's like the difference between night and day. Confidence and a bit of form can go a long way in football, they can transform a player. I think it's fair to say Robbie hasn't really found his yet but if he does I believe we might see a very different player.

aCe' wrote:

Scottbot wrote:

heimdall wrote:Well that partly explains one of his chances which I still think Torres and even Kuyt would have scored but what about all the other misses and times where he can't figure out which foot too shoot with. If he was a palyer in a pub team I'd forgice him but for someone earning as much as he does and who us £20 million I do not forgive him. I have given him so much slack this season but he is proving to be worse and more clumsy than Crouch and that is quite an acheivement!

I'd still put it to you that he has scored 4 in 11 (I think) and that isn't such a bad run of form. Granted it won't look so good if he fails to score in his next two games but you see what i'm saying. And also, how much slack do you really think you have given the lad!? come on! we're a third of the way through the season and there is a long way to go yet. As i said before, many posters made definitive statements (and that's putting it mildly!) about Kuyt these past 12 months and he was playing FAR worse than Robbie is now (and that was with the absolute faith and backing of the manager) and now look at him. It's like the difference between night and day. Confidence and a bit of form can go a long way in football, they can transform a player. I think it's fair to say Robbie hasn't really found his yet but if he does I believe we might see a very different player.

It worries me that in a home game against Fulham, everyone is talking about our striker mising our only clear chance in the game instead of trying to figure out wtf is wrong with our attacking game in general... sure Keane deserves some stick for missing the sitters but come on... look at C.Ronaldo, Anelka and Bendtner in the last few games.... theyv all missed sitters..
We'r trying to go for the title this year and i think that we quite simply dont create enough chances to go out and beat the smaller teams with ease... there seems to be no sense of urgency in that lineup unless we'r 1-0 down or trying to snatch a winner late on... besides that we seems to be happy playing conservative, balanced football with very little attacking intent...

Im not saying Robbie Keane doesnt have a problem...clearly he does but imo the more alarming issue must be the teams overall attacking play this season... im sure if we start creating more chances and playing more positive football , not only will robbie keane score more goals, everyone in the team would play a whole lot better...

Simari wrote:

aCe' wrote:

Scottbot wrote:

heimdall wrote:Well that partly explains one of his chances which I still think Torres and even Kuyt would have scored but what about all the other misses and times where he can't figure out which foot too shoot with. If he was a palyer in a pub team I'd forgice him but for someone earning as much as he does and who us £20 million I do not forgive him. I have given him so much slack this season but he is proving to be worse and more clumsy than Crouch and that is quite an acheivement!

I'd still put it to you that he has scored 4 in 11 (I think) and that isn't such a bad run of form. Granted it won't look so good if he fails to score in his next two games but you see what i'm saying. And also, how much slack do you really think you have given the lad!? come on! we're a third of the way through the season and there is a long way to go yet. As i said before, many posters made definitive statements (and that's putting it mildly!) about Kuyt these past 12 months and he was playing FAR worse than Robbie is now (and that was with the absolute faith and backing of the manager) and now look at him. It's like the difference between night and day. Confidence and a bit of form can go a long way in football, they can transform a player. I think it's fair to say Robbie hasn't really found his yet but if he does I believe we might see a very different player.

It worries me that in a home game against Fulham, everyone is talking about our striker mising our only clear chance in the game instead of trying to figure out wtf is wrong with our attacking game in general... sure Keane deserves some stick for missing the sitters but come on... look at C.Ronaldo, Anelka and Bendtner in the last few games.... theyv all missed sitters..
We'r trying to go for the title this year and i think that we quite simply dont create enough chances to go out and beat the smaller teams with ease... there seems to be no sense of urgency in that lineup unless we'r 1-0 down or trying to snatch a winner late on... besides that we seems to be happy playing conservative, balanced football with very little attacking intent...

Im not saying Robbie Keane doesnt have a problem...clearly he does but imo the more alarming issue must be the teams overall attacking play this season... im sure if we start creating more chances and playing more positive football , not only will robbie keane score more goals, everyone in the team would play a whole lot better...

Our attacking play was fine against Bolton. I'm actually very pleased to hear colleagues and friends commend our play this year. The same folks that laughed at us.

For me, yesterday was a gamble and Rafa did well to give Lucas an opportunity. It is obvious that the team are quite a bit disjointed without Stevie and Alonso. I really don't know what to make of Lucas. I cannot see him and Masch pairing in Midfield. Nor can I see him replacing Masch when Masch needs a rest. I'm a bit baffled by his role in midfield, as I can't suss out what sort of a midfielder he is.

Keane has been struggling to find the net. It didn't help much that our midfield was bereft of ideas. I read people talking about Ronaldo's missed chances etc. But he makes up those chances with goals. Keano maybe putting too much pressure on himself and in the process is not doing the simple things. He's always tried something fancy with most of the sitters he's missed. Maybe going back to basics and simply tapping the ball into the net would be a start.

We will need his goals to supplement Torres and Kuyt (yes, Kuyt!) in the second half of the season. He's got a few more games to sort out his shooting boots.

the bolton game was a funny one for me... we missed easy chances but then again so did they... wasnt like we dominated them the 90 mins and should have won 4-0 or anything... could have gone either way especially the 2nd half when they opened up to try and get something out of the game...

worryingly enough Fulham played a pretty open game in the first half and we didnt look like creating anything really... second half they defended a whole lot more but then again that was to be expected... We'r in week 13 or 14 or something nd we'r yet to see us go out and produce a convincing attacking display against any side no matter how bad they are at defending...

I watch alot of Arsenal, ManUtd, Chelsea hell even ManCity games and those teams seem to create way more clear chances than we do... granted most of those clubs dont control the game and probably pass the ball aroound as much as we do, but going forward they always look dangerous and likely to make something happen.... with us you can bet ur that we'r gonna pass it around the half way line some 40 time thenn play it out wide for Aurelio to cross from the halfway line or for Riera to dribble a play and then take the ball back to Alonso in midfield... we start games and sometimes even go about games playing like we'r 3-0 up and trying to run down the clock...

With Gerrard and Torres in the side i expect things to improve...dramatically... but atm... the way things stand i really think that we'll always struggle to win games if Gerrard or Torres are out of the side or are having bad games... and i know we beat ManUtd and Chelsea without Torres and Gerrard missing one of the games but still.. against the smaller teams we need to up our game if we'r gonna win the fcker...

I said it before and ill say it again... im sure most managers would raher play us than Manutd, Chelsea or even Arsenal... to me it seems like most teams in this league can atleast snatch a draw against us if they tidy up their backline and not make mistakes in defending... we'r predictable and easy to defend against in most games and if Keane and Torres dont start scoring the few chances they get in most games i can see us drawing many games again this season... same problem second year running... too many draws in games we should be winning...