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s@int wrote:

Leonmc0708 wrote:

s@int wrote:The last time we beat the mancs at Anfield in the league was 2001, its no wonder I hate this match so much.

Can't agree with Leon about Gerrard and Torres, I just hope to god they are fit, and if they are FIT they must play. While it would be nice to see the other players stand up and be counted, the chances of it actually counting against the mancs without our best two players are pretty slim.

Why ?

Gerrard and Torres do not save the shots, or defend the corners or make the last ditch tackles or do the donkey work in midfield.

Point being, no doubt they are our two best players, and no doubt they are World Class, but I think we have the personell beyond those two to compete.

United, the last three seasons have come to our place and we have outplayed them, all game - no questions, and they have nicked it each time.

We need to hang in there, and use our new found resoluteness to still grab a goal without conceding.

I think that the kind of lift a win against United without those two could give the other players in our squad is immeasurable.

Why ?

Point being, no doubt they are our two best players, and no doubt they are World Class. They also scored or assisted in more than half our goals last season.

but I think we have the personell beyond those two to compete.

Where on earth do you get silly ideas like that from  When was the last time we excelled in a game without Torres or Gerrard?

United, the last three seasons have come to our place and we have outplayed them, all game - no questions, and they have nicked it each time.

As they will do again if we don't start scoring against them, and without Gerrard and Torres the chances of us scoring are much less than with them ..... imho anyway.

We need to hang in there, and use our new found resoluteness to still grab a goal without conceding.

Why just hang in there, why not try and win the game comfortably if possible, hang in there only if forced. Should you go into a game believing the best you can do is "hang in there", or should you go into a game thinking you can WIN.

I think that the kind of lift a win against United without those two could give the other players in our squad is immeasurable.

I agree mate, I just think the likelyhood of that happening is much less than if Torres and Gerrard start.

Leonmc0708 wrote:Your right, fu.ck it I am giving up following Liverpool.

  Don't be like that Leon, its just a different point of view mate , no need to take your ball home. 

stmichael wrote:Every game Ferguson finds another weakness against us. Short corner last year, let Carragher or Sissoko have the ball because their use of it is awful, Masherano sent off in the last one but i doubt we would have got a result that day if we'd had 12 on the pitch. Last minute goals, silly free kicks leading to goals. The list goes on and on.

If we score first I genuinely believe we'll win the game. The worry comes if they score first because they usually come here to defend, nick a goal and we then struggle to break them down.

Good post St michael........ pity I had already read it on another site 

s@int wrote:

stmichael wrote:Every game Ferguson finds another weakness against us. Short corner last year, let Carragher or Sissoko have the ball because their use of it is awful, Masherano sent off in the last one but i doubt we would have got a result that day if we'd had 12 on the pitch. Last minute goals, silly free kicks leading to goals. The list goes on and on.

If we score first I genuinely believe we'll win the game. The worry comes if they score first because they usually come here to defend, nick a goal and we then struggle to break them down.

Good post St michael........ pity I had already read it on another site 

peewee wrote:

s@int wrote:

stmichael wrote:Every game Ferguson finds another weakness against us. Short corner last year, let Carragher or Sissoko have the ball because their use of it is awful, Masherano sent off in the last one but i doubt we would have got a result that day if we'd had 12 on the pitch. Last minute goals, silly free kicks leading to goals. The list goes on and on.

If we score first I genuinely believe we'll win the game. The worry comes if they score first because they usually come here to defend, nick a goal and we then struggle to break them down.

Good post St michael........ pity I had already read it on another site 

It's getting embarrassing that 

s@int wrote:So basically what you are saying is that without Gerrard and Torres we have no goal threat, so the mancs wont know who the fk to mark, and we might just get a goal from an unlikely source ..... Kuyt 

kazza wrote:No Gerrard, no Torres, we have not beaten them in the league in years, they are confident, we are in crisis and it does not look good. I smell a victory and as someone else said probably from an unlikely source.

I like it when we carry the underdog tag as we play well and normally win, for that as well not wanting to rush them back I hope they (Torres and Gerrard) do not play (unless of course they are 100% fit which I doubt).