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by **mauexa** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:21 pm

barry we're waiting for you???

by **Number 9** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:44 pm

This if it is not already is turning into a :censored:

'ing circus!
Im not sure who the ring master is but either Rafa or Parry or maybe both together need to get their shi't together.
Its been a bloody shameful mess.Yes some people have called O'Neill allsorts but personally i dont blame him trying to get top dollar for his best player and captain.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Barrys value,Villa have named their price and LFC need to meet it or forget about him.
If the Alonso deal does not happen and we are short of what we need to get Barry we will look like Fu*king fools!

Its the same shi'te every year at this club,the transfer methods need a serious rethink.
Rafa coming off with im not paying £18m for a player who has missed some pre season training is daft(hes missed a week or two tops).Big deal!
If he does not think hes worth £18m a petty reason like that is not enough.
If they dont be careful Arsenal will come and take the player,they could sure benifit from his experience!

Whether or not any of us want Barry or dont is not the issue.LFC have yet again let themselves down by petty haggling over what is not big money in football terms,a few million quid.
Hes their player and its their price...if we dont want to meet it move on to someone else or just keep Alonso!

by **tubby** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:06 pm

Im getting Dejavu of the whole Simao mess.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:09 pm

fook barry off go for bentley and really fook mon off big time

by **Simari** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:45 pm

August not far away and we're still waiting for something. No news on the club ownership either.

I'm sure someone somewhere know what going on - but I have no farkin' clue and it's bloody annoying! If we sign someone very, very late, the reasons will come flying in - joined late, not enough pre-season with the team. All of this leading to that inevitable slow start

For the love of God, I hope we don't have to endure another slow start to the season

by **Simari** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:45 pm

NiftyNeil wrote:
Simari wrote:You might as well shove a rotten rod up your face. That might lighten you up a bit

Is that what you do to lighten yourself up?

Apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick. You will find that I wasn't hurling abuse though, and I actually referred to you as mate so as not to be aggressive. So fuck off!

Good, it's all settled then :buttrock

by **Sabre** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:48 pm

Fact: The player will come if Aston Villa wants to sell. So if the summer advances and if they don't yield in their demands, Rafa has to ask himself how important is that player for this project.

If he's very important, and the difference is about 4M, then don't spend 4M in a young keeper, and pay the overprice. Why? because we've agreed that the player is key for the project. Everything will be more expensive for an english club, because the World knows the money is in England. And everybody will try to rip us until the last penny if they're able to. So if we really want the player, and we have to pay, so be it. I guess Rafa is just winning time and making the price smaller, but Rafa must think aswell that it's important a new player does the preseason with the team. As soon as the internationals are with the team, Barry should be there aswell, IMHO.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:01 pm

Every morning when I get up I think we're bound to have signed him, and we haven't. I just hope we don't get into a Heinze situation here where the deal doesn't come off and then six weeks into the season we are ruing the fact that we didn't do the deal. We rectified that one by belatedly signing Skyrtel in the January window, but as we know it was a costly error. I still can't help thinking that whether it's Parry, Rafa, the owners or whoever else it doing the negotiating, we can't seem to get the hang of it.

Firstly we lose potential sell-on value for Crouch for letting his contract run down, then we offer too low for Barry and get strung out, then we don't meet the market on Alonso and end up with the buyers looking elsewhere. I'm not personally massively in favour of either the Alonso sale or the Barry buy (I'm kind of neutral on both TBH as I think we have more pressing priorities) but it really is hard to come to the conclusion that these situations are being well handled. Many have said that Xabi is a good pro for instance and I think he is too, but in fairness it is just as well the way he has been treated these last few weeks. Fecking rubbish way to treat a bloke who seems to all intents and purposes to be a really nice fella IMHO.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:08 pm

It's worth remembering as well that when we are talking about footballers we are at the end of the day talking about people. Fellas with wives and kids who have to make a plan for where they are going to live etc etc. I know they get fantastic money and all that, but in these days where we constantly talk about players not respecting clubs and contracts, its worth noting that Alonso signed a new deal in good faith a year ago and had a baby even more recently. If we think it's for the benefit of the club to move him on, then fair enough but I think we could do it with a bit more class than we have.

Hawking him around the clubs of southern Europe seemingly without consulting him first and then listening to offers from the likes of Fenerbace is b0ll0cks. Liverpool football club deserves better, and so does Xabi Alonso. I can't help thinking that under the surface the smelly, unwashed hands of the owners are behind much of it, the pair of horrible c...s

by **Sabre** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:17 pm

Bigmick, while that kind of treatment to a player has not changed my stand on Rafa, because I can admit ruthlessness when you want to invite somebody out, I think aswell the relation between Rafa and Xabi won't come anywhere near to what it has been. That's my hunch anyway.

But I want the same ruthlessness to bring Barry. I hope we get him sooner rather than later.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:26 pm

Like I say Sabes, Xabi is a good pro and feels a lot for the club in my view which is just as well. There are many many players who would say "feck this sh!t" and down tools. The logical conclusion of disinterested performances when on such a long and lucrative contract is the club would have to sell eventually for a much smaller fee, probably paying the player a huge wedge in the process as a "kiss-off" payment. Xabi would then be free to negotiate a big salary to go play somewhere else in eighteen months or so. The difference in those negotiations would be he'd be able to hawk himself around the clubs long before the deal was confirmed, talk with his wife, get his kids into pre-school, buy a house in a nice suburb etc etc etc.

Luckily and thankfully, should his transfer infact not happen I don't think it will come to that because he seems to be of exceptional character. The club would do well to remember though that we are not dealing with Djibril Cisse, or Salif Daio here. This is not some Carlos Kickaball waster who has taken the p!ss in the past we are talking about. If it already hasn't happened, I would like to think parry or Rafa has gone to where Alonso is on holiday and at least had the decency to speak with the bloke man to man. It's not too much to ask surely.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:45 pm

Treated like a f*ckin' slave :angry:

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:51 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Treated like a f*ckin' slave

Id call it prostitution stop trying to flog his body. An i agree with Mick i believe them two bas.tards are behind this,

Total disgrace.

by **Sabre** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:57 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Treated like a f*ckin' slave

No Blatter's words have been the most stupid said in ages.

But it's a fact mate, that Alonso told us that he didn't have news about possible moves from Rafa, that he had to talk with him first.

As a player, when you know you want to be sold in the press before the manager tells you, you're angry (at least here). Among other things you're angry because you do have to take care of your family, your son, etc. That details are important when it comes to have a player happy, name it Alonso or anyone.

And I'm not sure thus Nanny Bigmick's mention of the American's is a bit sarcastic or not

, as that kind of communication is up to Rafa.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:21 pm

I was taking the p!ss with the slave remark

I kind of agree with the sentiment of BigMick's post though, lesser characters might've come out in the press and made the odd inflammatory, perhaps self-absorbed aside by now.

A final decision doesn't appear to have been made over his future, which is frustrating for everybody, and I still can't work out where our intent lies with regards to our formation/system.

I now don't think Alonso will leave in light Juventus' withdrawal(I don't think he'll want to go to Fenerbahce therefore I don't think he'll go there, and I can't see a Spanish club paying £15m-£16m for him), and I struggle to see where that leaves our formation or system. Is Barry being signed as a left-mid? Or a CM, with Alonso playing second fiddle in a 4-5-1 ?

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