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Fo Dne wrote:

RedBlood wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

paisleyred wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

Skyrtel and Hyypia won't win you a title. Degen's .

Milners not even better than Pennant, Bentley plays on the right we need a left winger and Babel's not upto it.

Next?

skrtel and hyypia are great back up players to carra and agger

plus have you seen degen play?? give the lad a chance

babels not up to it?? first season in the prem the 20year old scored 10goals as a bit part player, hes got massive talent and potential only a fool would right him off so early

Agger and Carragher aren't a great pairing. They lack ariel dominance which shows when we conceed set pieces and they are both overly aggressive which can lead to them both being sucked towards the ball.

Hyypia is well past his best (finally) and I don't believe for a second Skyrtel is the answer.

We should have signed Woodgate when we had the chance.

Yes I have seen Philip Degen play. Twice, he's not good enough. He lacks positional sense and isn't the quickest and his ability on the ball is lacking, nowhere near good enough for a club of this size. Much like Arbeloa.

Babel isn't upto it. I don't care if he's 20, 25 or 65, he's not good enough. I'm sick of hearing the pathetic "give him time" remember Henry and Pires arguements. They don't wash, you either have it or you don't. What exactly is Babel's potential? Where is it? He doesn't use the ball correctly, has no vision, never makes a right decision with the ball at his feet, has no left foot and has a heavy first touch, that doesn't sound like a Liverpool player to me, never has never will.

I'm sick of hearing the potential remarks, Sissoko, Baros, Cisse and all the rest had Potential, I've listened to your for long enough, you rate every player Liverpool are linked with or every youth player we have. The fact is, we're fourth for a reason and have been for years for a reason.

You even mention that Alonso's "World class" in another post...

Only a fool would write Baros off after the euro's a few years ago.
Only a fool would disagree with Benitez about Sissoko.
Only a fool thought Jamie Carragher was a good player from day one.
Only a fool knew Dirk Kuyt wouldn't live upto his price tag after his first season.

The truth is, the only fool is the one that sits there kidding themselves we are good enough and can't figure out why we aren't winning the league every year...

Fo Dne wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Don't sit there an say to me Alonso's been  either because am not havin it for a second. The lads a superb player and because he's been below his best he's getting slatted? He's still been one of our best players.

Well I am sitting there and I am telling you Alonso has been dissapointing, because it is quite simply plain to see.

Lets not get too carried away in hyping up Alonso to something he isnt.

On the notion of him being so great, why is Rafa willing to listen to offers of around 14 million pound and flogging him off, maybe hes missing something your not.

The man hasn't got a clue. Thats why.

Yea i'm sure , getting ridiculous , xabi is no where near the player he was for LFC in his first season , if rafa is willing to consider offers for him , it shows that rafa knows that he is maybe past it if not rafa would have kept him for at least another season . In rafa we trust 

RedBlood wrote:you lot act like alonso has been shi.t for the past 3seasons??

this is a joke sure his best season was his first but hes still been a class player for us when fit, for god sake gerrard hasnt been at his absolute best the last 2 seasons, should we sell him??

woof woof ! wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:Form is temporary, class is permanent. Why sell a great player to replace him with another great player just because he's out of form?

Great contribution today Stu.
Agree with you 90% on the Alonso/Barry discussion but have to admit I'm beginning to question the "Class is permanent , Form is temporary mantra" . Two seasons of under achievement by Alonso's own previously set standards and our expectations can hardly be classed as a temporary loss of form. Alonso's certainly one of our classier players but his performances these last two seasons have raised significant question marks despite his "class" as to the validity of his overall worth to the team.

Yes I love to keep Alonso along with Barry , but given a choice between him and Barry as to who will contribute more to the overall success of the team I'd have no reservations in choosing Barry for all the reasons you've already so eloquently expressed.

Barry may lack Alonso's "flair" but I'm convinced he'll be more consistent and effective.

RedBlood wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

RedBlood wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

paisleyred wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

Skyrtel and Hyypia won't win you a title. Degen's .

Milners not even better than Pennant, Bentley plays on the right we need a left winger and Babel's not upto it.

Next?

skrtel and hyypia are great back up players to carra and agger

plus have you seen degen play?? give the lad a chance

babels not up to it?? first season in the prem the 20year old scored 10goals as a bit part player, hes got massive talent and potential only a fool would right him off so early

Agger and Carragher aren't a great pairing. They lack ariel dominance which shows when we conceed set pieces and they are both overly aggressive which can lead to them both being sucked towards the ball.

Hyypia is well past his best (finally) and I don't believe for a second Skyrtel is the answer.

We should have signed Woodgate when we had the chance.

Yes I have seen Philip Degen play. Twice, he's not good enough. He lacks positional sense and isn't the quickest and his ability on the ball is lacking, nowhere near good enough for a club of this size. Much like Arbeloa.

Babel isn't upto it. I don't care if he's 20, 25 or 65, he's not good enough. I'm sick of hearing the pathetic "give him time" remember Henry and Pires arguements. They don't wash, you either have it or you don't. What exactly is Babel's potential? Where is it? He doesn't use the ball correctly, has no vision, never makes a right decision with the ball at his feet, has no left foot and has a heavy first touch, that doesn't sound like a Liverpool player to me, never has never will.

I'm sick of hearing the potential remarks, Sissoko, Baros, Cisse and all the rest had Potential, I've listened to your for long enough, you rate every player Liverpool are linked with or every youth player we have. The fact is, we're fourth for a reason and have been for years for a reason.

You even mention that Alonso's "World class" in another post...

Only a fool would write Baros off after the euro's a few years ago.
Only a fool would disagree with Benitez about Sissoko.
Only a fool thought Jamie Carragher was a good player from day one.
Only a fool knew Dirk Kuyt wouldn't live upto his price tag after his first season.

The truth is, the only fool is the one that sits there kidding themselves we are good enough and can't figure out why we aren't winning the league every year...

degen isnt quick?? hes very fast mate but when i say give him a chance thats all i mean, i aint for one second saying hes a world beater

i dont sit here in a bubble thinking everything is great thats why i reckon we need 2 more top class signings to challenge im just not negative like you

when agger n carra played a whole season together they did very well and i believe had the second best defensive record in the league and the strongest in europe so they cant be that bad

the fact is your a negative person and im a positive person so were gonna clash but dont make out like i bum off everything that is liverpool football club

Fo Dne wrote:

woof woof ! wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:Form is temporary, class is permanent. Why sell a great player to replace him with another great player just because he's out of form?

Great contribution today Stu.
Agree with you 90% on the Alonso/Barry discussion but have to admit I'm beginning to question the "Class is permanent , Form is temporary mantra" . Two seasons of under achievement by Alonso's own previously set standards and our expectations can hardly be classed as a temporary loss of form. Alonso's certainly one of our classier players but his performances these last two seasons have raised significant question marks despite his "class" as to the validity of his overall worth to the team.

Yes I love to keep Alonso along with Barry , but given a choice between him and Barry as to who will contribute more to the overall success of the team I'd have no reservations in choosing Barry for all the reasons you've already so eloquently expressed.

Barry may lack Alonso's "flair" but I'm convinced he'll be more consistent and effective.

I agree Barry could be more consistent, infact I've no doubt he is. But Alonso is capable of reaching the higher standard during a game. Alonso has at times shown an ability and urgency to take the game by the scruff of the neck, much like Gerrard and leads by example on these occassions.

What I would say is, just because he's been below his best doesn't mean he's been poor. He's still been one of our top players. The fact remains though that there are far more urgent concerns than replacing Xabi Alonso.

Stu i think your right and wrong, if you know what i mean 

Right about not selling Alonso (who is definately one of our better players), it is frustrating to be at a point where we can see we are not far off and want to add a couple of top players to get even closer or bridge the gap to even contemplate selling one of the few top world class players seems stupid.
But with these owners it appears that we are boxed into a corner.
We dont have the money to buy who we want and not sell current players.
Now Barry might not be a major improvement on Xabi, whichever way we look at things, but he is versatile and despite how much people hate that about Rafa a versatile player is always something he will want.
Rafa imo should of over the last few years gambled and gone for 2-3 big players rather than the selection of mediocre gambles (Pennant, Bellamy etc) but he hasnt.
I still feel sorry for him cos i think his hands are always tied, but if i was him this season i would f'ck everything else of and just buy one top player rather than 2-3 decent gambles.

Toffeehater wrote:

RedBlood wrote:you lot act like alonso has been shi.t for the past 3seasons??

this is a joke sure his best season was his first but hes still been a class player for us when fit, for god sake gerrard hasnt been at his absolute best the last 2 seasons, should we sell him??

Steven Gerrard has dug us out of more sh!t that anyone else has had and about him not being the best in this last 2 season , i suggest you review this season again , he has scored the most goals ever for us in a season and done well also in terms of assist .

Fo Dne wrote:

RedBlood wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

RedBlood wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:

paisleyred wrote:

Fo Dne wrote:[quote=

We need two full backs, we could do with a centre half, we NEED at least one winger, we NEED a striker and we could also do with Arshavin aswell. Tampering with things that are not broke is plain stupidity.

the 2 full backs we need dossena and deggen!
a centre half? carra,skrtel,agger all you need is a benchwarmer, cheap as chips.
a winger ,according to the rumours thats exactly what we are chasing....silva,milner,bentley etc.
you may also see another striker but if not i think we may see more of babel up top.
and whats more barry is alot more flexible than alonso as in he can play in alot more positions....

Skyrtel and Hyypia won't win you a title. Degen's .

Milners not even better than Pennant, Bentley plays on the right we need a left winger and Babel's not upto it.

Next?

skrtel and hyypia are great back up players to carra and agger

plus have you seen degen play?? give the lad a chance

babels not up to it?? first season in the prem the 20year old scored 10goals as a bit part player, hes got massive talent and potential only a fool would right him off so early

Agger and Carragher aren't a great pairing. They lack ariel dominance which shows when we conceed set pieces and they are both overly aggressive which can lead to them both being sucked towards the ball.

Hyypia is well past his best (finally) and I don't believe for a second Skyrtel is the answer.

We should have signed Woodgate when we had the chance.

Yes I have seen Philip Degen play. Twice, he's not good enough. He lacks positional sense and isn't the quickest and his ability on the ball is lacking, nowhere near good enough for a club of this size. Much like Arbeloa.

Babel isn't upto it. I don't care if he's 20, 25 or 65, he's not good enough. I'm sick of hearing the pathetic "give him time" remember Henry and Pires arguements. They don't wash, you either have it or you don't. What exactly is Babel's potential? Where is it? He doesn't use the ball correctly, has no vision, never makes a right decision with the ball at his feet, has no left foot and has a heavy first touch, that doesn't sound like a Liverpool player to me, never has never will.

I'm sick of hearing the potential remarks, Sissoko, Baros, Cisse and all the rest had Potential, I've listened to your for long enough, you rate every player Liverpool are linked with or every youth player we have. The fact is, we're fourth for a reason and have been for years for a reason.

You even mention that Alonso's "World class" in another post...

Only a fool would write Baros off after the euro's a few years ago.
Only a fool would disagree with Benitez about Sissoko.
Only a fool thought Jamie Carragher was a good player from day one.
Only a fool knew Dirk Kuyt wouldn't live upto his price tag after his first season.

The truth is, the only fool is the one that sits there kidding themselves we are good enough and can't figure out why we aren't winning the league every year...

degen isnt quick?? hes very fast mate but when i say give him a chance thats all i mean, i aint for one second saying hes a world beater

i dont sit here in a bubble thinking everything is great thats why i reckon we need 2 more top class signings to challenge im just not negative like you

when agger n carra played a whole season together they did very well and i believe had the second best defensive record in the league and the strongest in europe so they cant be that bad

the fact is your a negative person and im a positive person so were gonna clash but dont make out like i bum off everything that is liverpool football club

I'm not at all negative. I'm quite simply realistic. Massive difference. If we had the players I'd be positive, we don't so I probably come across negative.

The only players in that team who are good enough are Reina, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres and you can get away with one of Agger and Carragher. The rest just aren't upto it, no matter how you disguise it and thats the reason we're so far behind the Mancs, Arsenal and Chelsea.

Kharhaz wrote:

I agree Barry could be more consistent, infact I've no doubt he is. But Alonso is capable of reaching the higher standard during a game. Alonso has at times shown an ability and urgency to take the game by the scruff of the neck, much like Gerrard and leads by example on these occassions.

What I would say is, just because he's been below his best doesn't mean he's been poor. He's still been one of our top players. The fact remains though that there are far more urgent concerns than replacing Xabi Alonso.

Its this that is bothering me. Everybody is talking about Gareth Barry but it seems he is going to replace Alonso. And thats were Barry's versatility kicks in. He can play this there and the other but he isnt an expert in them positions, his best position is CM. And that for me is were the argument for Barry against Alonso fails.

Forget Barry, we need natural positions, not a stop gap filler.