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by **REDTILLDEAD** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:00 pm

I'll tell you what is a joke, is the fact that Rafa is still chasing barry?.....he is not worth more than £10 million lets be honest if its true the players that rafa is supposed to be after(barry, milner, and that boro player....cant think of his name at the mo?) anyway those 3 wont be worrying the manure or chelski players...they are not exactly "title winning players" are they?......we should be going for the likes of silva, villa, messi....now those players will win you the title. :nod

by **Scottbot** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:31 pm

18 mill is excessive but I can't see why everyone is so perpetually shocked at the money they are asking? It's all relative, Barry is a better player than Carrick and Hargreaves in my book and they both cost around about the same price. The only difference is that Barry is a year or two older. I reckon the clubs will end up agreeing on a fee of 17m for him. If we get 14ish for Alonso then it ends up beign a net spend of 3m. It's not such a big deal is it?

by **Fo Dne** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:51 pm

Yet more treading water.

When will Rafa and every other manager we have learn?

I find this extremely frustrating if I'm honest.

Barry is an excellent footballer, lets make no mistake. The lad would be an asset to any team in world football, he's quick, powerful, technically excellent, defensively aware and has an excellent attitude and understanding of the game. Easily in my opinion Alonso's equal, he would probably add more short term aswell due to the fact I feel Alonso's gone slightly stale at Liverpool. I for one would be made up if we signed him. He's a player I've liked for a long time.

But the fact remains Alonso's still one of the best players at the club.

What is the point in selling your best players to replace them with other players of a similar calibre. Lets just say for aguements sake we had Barry and were looking to replace him with Alonso, I'd say exactly the same thing... there isn't enough of a quality difference either way to make a significant difference. Now, if Benitez is signing Barry with the view to him playing on the left or left back, I can see the logic in signing him, but surely then keeping Alonso is also a must. A midfield to me of Barry, Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard looks very good, strong and solid. With goals and ball retention, a midfield of Babel, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard doesn't seem much different in replacing Alonso with Barry.

The point is we should be looking to add to what we already have. Barry should be an addition, not a replacement. We'll never win anything replacing players like Alonso with Barry. Barry should be coming in replacing Riise, Babel, Leto etc, not one of our top players.

Its like going and selling Torres to buy Villa, pointless.

Liverpool have players there they can sell to raise funds, Crouch, Carson, Riise (I know he's just left), Kuyt, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Skyrtel, Aurelio...

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Carragher, Agger and Reina should not be sold, but build upon.

The fact is, Barry offers more goals and mobility than Alonso, is probably a better athlete and is stronger. But Alonso dictates games and in Europe especially where ball retention and patience is vital he comes into his own. Alonso's is a better passer with far greater vision than Barry also. Barry's vision is good, but its flat, he's not capable of pulling out sublime through balls on the same regular basis Xabi can.

Both players are excellent and for me would be better in the same team rather than selling one to sign the other.

by **kawaton** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:56 pm

Scottbot wrote:18 mill is excessive but I can't see why everyone is so perpetually shocked at the money they are asking? It's all relative, Barry is a better player than Carrick and Hargreaves in my book and they both cost around about the same price. The only difference is that Barry is a year or two older. I reckon the clubs will end up agreeing on a fee of 17m for him. If we get 14ish for Alonso then it ends up beign a net spend of 3m. It's not such a big deal is it?

I agree with that.
Barry is the heart of the villa side, can play left back, left mid, DM or AM...
whereas hargreaves and carrick are far less versatile and cost the same.
Hargreaves was unproven in prem, and carrick had a couple of good seasons (at similar lvl to barry)

im a lifelong LFC who lives in brum. I have met Barry, and know some of his close friends (and ex's) he has an excellent personality, trains harder than anyone, and is villa's Gerrard.
As a lot of my mates are villa fans i see him play often and he is an excellent player.
He just hasnt been able to do it on the big stage as villa are :censored:

.

But if he does come to us, he will be a major success for the next 5 years

There are few english players available with so much prem experience who have consistently performed over the last 8 years

by **destro** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:07 pm

kawaton wrote:
Scottbot wrote:18 mill is excessive but I can't see why everyone is so perpetually shocked at the money they are asking? It's all relative, Barry is a better player than Carrick and Hargreaves in my book and they both cost around about the same price. The only difference is that Barry is a year or two older. I reckon the clubs will end up agreeing on a fee of 17m for him. If we get 14ish for Alonso then it ends up beign a net spend of 3m. It's not such a big deal is it?

I agree with that.
Barry is the heart of the villa side, can play left back, left mid, DM or AM...
whereas hargreaves and carrick are far less versatile and cost the same.

im a lifelong LFC who lives in brum. I have met Barry, and know some of his close friends (and ex's) he has an excellent personality, trains harder than anyone, and is villa's Gerrard.
As a lot of my mates are villa fans i see him play often and he is an excellent player.
He just hasnt been able to do it on the big stage as villa are .

But if he does come to us, he will be a major success for the next 5 years

There are few english players available with so much prem experience who have consistently performed over the last 8 years

Are you Martin O'Neil in disguise ?

I don't think it is just the price that some people are unhappy at, its the fact that for some reason they were expecting Messi and Villa to be brought in. Like I have said Degen has been slated already he was free, the Italian we signed cost 7 Million he is "going to be a great addition" neither of them have played one single minute for us yet, but based on what would seem to be the more you cost the better you are Barry should fit in quite well :;):

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:18 pm

Fo Dne wrote:Yet more treading water.

When will Rafa and every other manager we have learn?

I find this extremely frustrating if I'm honest.

Barry is an excellent footballer, lets make no mistake. The lad would be an asset to any team in world football, he's quick, powerful, technically excellent, defensively aware and has an excellent attitude and understanding of the game. Easily in my opinion Alonso's equal, he would probably add more short term aswell due to the fact I feel Alonso's gone slightly stale at Liverpool. I for one would be made up if we signed him. He's a player I've liked for a long time.

But the fact remains Alonso's still one of the best players at the club.

What is the point in selling your best players to replace them with other players of a similar calibre. Lets just say for aguements sake we had Barry and were looking to replace him with Alonso, I'd say exactly the same thing... there isn't enough of a quality difference either way to make a significant difference. Now, if Benitez is signing Barry with the view to him playing on the left or left back, I can see the logic in signing him, but surely then keeping Alonso is also a must. A midfield to me of Barry, Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard looks very good, strong and solid. With goals and ball retention, a midfield of Babel, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard doesn't seem much different in replacing Alonso with Barry.

The point is we should be looking to add to what we already have. Barry should be an addition, not a replacement. We'll never win anything replacing players like Alonso with Barry. Barry should be coming in replacing Riise, Babel, Leto etc, not one of our top players.

Its like going and selling Torres to buy Villa, pointless.

Liverpool have players there they can sell to raise funds, Crouch, Carson, Riise (I know he's just left), Kuyt, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Skyrtel, Aurelio...

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Carragher, Agger and Reina should not be sold, but build upon.

The fact is, Barry offers more goals and mobility than Alonso, is probably a better athlete and is stronger. But Alonso dictates games and in Europe especially where ball retention and patience is vital he comes into his own. Alonso's is a better passer with far greater vision than Barry also. Barry's vision is good, but its flat, he's not capable of pulling out sublime through balls on the same regular basis Xabi can.

Both players are excellent and for me would be better in the same team rather than selling one to sign the other.

Top post looking at both sides

An ill say it again ill be gutted if Xabi goes cause i firmly do believe hes one of our best players

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:24 pm

Yep!...we are really gonna be serious title contenders with the likes of barry, milner, and that boro kid?....I'll bet the mancs and chelski are shating themselves....thats class alright :laugh:

by **metalhead** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:42 pm

Fo Dne wrote:Yet more treading water.

When will Rafa and every other manager we have learn?

I find this extremely frustrating if I'm honest.

Barry is an excellent footballer, lets make no mistake. The lad would be an asset to any team in world football, he's quick, powerful, technically excellent, defensively aware and has an excellent attitude and understanding of the game. Easily in my opinion Alonso's equal, he would probably add more short term aswell due to the fact I feel Alonso's gone slightly stale at Liverpool. I for one would be made up if we signed him. He's a player I've liked for a long time.

But the fact remains Alonso's still one of the best players at the club.

What is the point in selling your best players to replace them with other players of a similar calibre. Lets just say for aguements sake we had Barry and were looking to replace him with Alonso, I'd say exactly the same thing... there isn't enough of a quality difference either way to make a significant difference. Now, if Benitez is signing Barry with the view to him playing on the left or left back, I can see the logic in signing him, but surely then keeping Alonso is also a must. A midfield to me of Barry, Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard looks very good, strong and solid. With goals and ball retention, a midfield of Babel, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard doesn't seem much different in replacing Alonso with Barry.

The point is we should be looking to add to what we already have. Barry should be an addition, not a replacement. We'll never win anything replacing players like Alonso with Barry. Barry should be coming in replacing Riise, Babel, Leto etc, not one of our top players.

Its like going and selling Torres to buy Villa, pointless.

Liverpool have players there they can sell to raise funds, Crouch, Carson, Riise (I know he's just left), Kuyt, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Skyrtel, Aurelio...

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Carragher, Agger and Reina should not be sold, but build upon.

The fact is, Barry offers more goals and mobility than Alonso, is probably a better athlete and is stronger. But Alonso dictates games and in Europe especially where ball retention and patience is vital he comes into his own. Alonso's is a better passer with far greater vision than Barry also. Barry's vision is good, but its flat, he's not capable of pulling out sublime through balls on the same regular basis Xabi can.

Both players are excellent and for me would be better in the same team rather than selling one to sign the other.

Top post stu, I agree with you here.

Unfortunatley mate, Rafa needs funds to buy Barry and if we need him as an addition, so he is going to sacrifice a top player inorder to get him, which is a shame really!

by **Fo Dne** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:46 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:Yep!...we are really gonna be serious title contenders with the likes of barry, milner, and that boro kid?....I'll bet the mancs and chelski are shating themselves....thats class alright

With Barry yes, replacing bad players, not replacing the likes of Alonso.

As for Milner and this Degen charachter I'd be very suprised.

by **Fo Dne** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:47 pm

metalhead wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Yet more treading water.

When will Rafa and every other manager we have learn?

I find this extremely frustrating if I'm honest.

Barry is an excellent footballer, lets make no mistake. The lad would be an asset to any team in world football, he's quick, powerful, technically excellent, defensively aware and has an excellent attitude and understanding of the game. Easily in my opinion Alonso's equal, he would probably add more short term aswell due to the fact I feel Alonso's gone slightly stale at Liverpool. I for one would be made up if we signed him. He's a player I've liked for a long time.

But the fact remains Alonso's still one of the best players at the club.

What is the point in selling your best players to replace them with other players of a similar calibre. Lets just say for aguements sake we had Barry and were looking to replace him with Alonso, I'd say exactly the same thing... there isn't enough of a quality difference either way to make a significant difference. Now, if Benitez is signing Barry with the view to him playing on the left or left back, I can see the logic in signing him, but surely then keeping Alonso is also a must. A midfield to me of Barry, Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard looks very good, strong and solid. With goals and ball retention, a midfield of Babel, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard doesn't seem much different in replacing Alonso with Barry.

The point is we should be looking to add to what we already have. Barry should be an addition, not a replacement. We'll never win anything replacing players like Alonso with Barry. Barry should be coming in replacing Riise, Babel, Leto etc, not one of our top players.

Its like going and selling Torres to buy Villa, pointless.

Liverpool have players there they can sell to raise funds, Crouch, Carson, Riise (I know he's just left), Kuyt, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Skyrtel, Aurelio...

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Carragher, Agger and Reina should not be sold, but build upon.

The fact is, Barry offers more goals and mobility than Alonso, is probably a better athlete and is stronger. But Alonso dictates games and in Europe especially where ball retention and patience is vital he comes into his own. Alonso's is a better passer with far greater vision than Barry also. Barry's vision is good, but its flat, he's not capable of pulling out sublime through balls on the same regular basis Xabi can.

Both players are excellent and for me would be better in the same team rather than selling one to sign the other.

Top post stu, I agree with you here.

Unfortunatley mate, Rafa needs funds to buy Barry and if we need him as an addition, so he is going to sacrifice a top player inorder to get him, which is a shame really!

Why Alonso? Why not Crouch, Kuyt, Voronin or any of the other average players we have?

by **metalhead** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:05 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:Yet more treading water.

When will Rafa and every other manager we have learn?

I find this extremely frustrating if I'm honest.

Barry is an excellent footballer, lets make no mistake. The lad would be an asset to any team in world football, he's quick, powerful, technically excellent, defensively aware and has an excellent attitude and understanding of the game. Easily in my opinion Alonso's equal, he would probably add more short term aswell due to the fact I feel Alonso's gone slightly stale at Liverpool. I for one would be made up if we signed him. He's a player I've liked for a long time.

But the fact remains Alonso's still one of the best players at the club.

What is the point in selling your best players to replace them with other players of a similar calibre. Lets just say for aguements sake we had Barry and were looking to replace him with Alonso, I'd say exactly the same thing... there isn't enough of a quality difference either way to make a significant difference. Now, if Benitez is signing Barry with the view to him playing on the left or left back, I can see the logic in signing him, but surely then keeping Alonso is also a must. A midfield to me of Barry, Alonso, Mascherano and Gerrard looks very good, strong and solid. With goals and ball retention, a midfield of Babel, Alonso, Mascherano, Gerrard doesn't seem much different in replacing Alonso with Barry.

The point is we should be looking to add to what we already have. Barry should be an addition, not a replacement. We'll never win anything replacing players like Alonso with Barry. Barry should be coming in replacing Riise, Babel, Leto etc, not one of our top players.

Its like going and selling Torres to buy Villa, pointless.

Liverpool have players there they can sell to raise funds, Crouch, Carson, Riise (I know he's just left), Kuyt, Lucas, Babel, Benayoun, Arbeloa, Finnan, Skyrtel, Aurelio...

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Mascherano, Torres, Carragher, Agger and Reina should not be sold, but build upon.

The fact is, Barry offers more goals and mobility than Alonso, is probably a better athlete and is stronger. But Alonso dictates games and in Europe especially where ball retention and patience is vital he comes into his own. Alonso's is a better passer with far greater vision than Barry also. Barry's vision is good, but its flat, he's not capable of pulling out sublime through balls on the same regular basis Xabi can.

Both players are excellent and for me would be better in the same team rather than selling one to sign the other.

Top post stu, I agree with you here.

Unfortunatley mate, Rafa needs funds to buy Barry and if we need him as an addition, so he is going to sacrifice a top player inorder to get him, which is a shame really!

Why Alonso? Why not Crouch, Kuyt, Voronin or any of the other average players we have?

True, but how much would voronin cost? 2m at least or kuyt an average of 7m, plus if we are selling crouch for 10m, we can get barry but then we don't have enough money to buy a striker we really need.

by **SupitsJonF** » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:20 pm

Barry is not only wasting our limited money but our precious time, we need to move on and find another transfer like Silva. He's good, but not worth the time and a 20mil price tag. If he really wanted to join LFC he would make it happen.

by **66-1112520797** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:58 am

by **Toffeehater** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:42 am

I think this transfer rumor has cooled down as rafa has not made any other bids for barry as of yet . Barry is a good player , and like stu has said maybe alonso's equal and to answer his question to why we are selling him is because , alonso is out of form and there is a decent offer on the table and the manager is going to take it , and replace him with a more consistent player . Alonso is a cracking player and if he plays tonight and does superb than rafa should take up and notice , that maybe just maybe xabi alonso is back

by **Fo Dne** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:02 am

Form is temporary, class is permanent. Why sell a great player to replace him with another great player just because he's out of form?

So when Torres eventually has a dip should we sell him and sign Villa? Don't be daft.

If Barry was goin for £8m and we could get £12m for Alonso then of course go for it, but theres no point treading water. We need to keep Xabi AND sign Gareth Barry. Not sell one to accomadate the other. Its pointless. Having both players however would not be pointless.

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