Liverpool vs Havant & Waterlooville 26/01 3pm - In-Match Discussion

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Postby Bad Bob » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:58 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:I'm glad that some sense has crept into this thread in the last few pages. To be honest some of the prattle mid-game was absolutely shocking. Any red that refers to a guy that has earned the right to play against their side, and has then taken that chance and acquitted themselves very well as a "f*cking binman" or a "fat f*cking plumber" wants putting on their ar*es IMO.

First half we were appalling, second half we coasted it. Once we took the lead our defensive line was up in their half for most of the half, and it could've ended up double-figures but for some brave defending on their part and a lack of composure in and around the box on ours.

Personally, I read absolutely nothing into the result about anything being wrong at our club. I saw a match that for 45 minutes was f*cking compelling, and would have been an absolute delight to any neutral supporter had they been given the opportunity to watch it live on TV.

No we didn't shower ourselves in glory, but instead of bemoaning our first half performance, let's applaud the opposition who gave everybody a lesson in what the FA Cup should be about. They could've looked at the team sheet, saw all the internationals listed for us and just stood on the edge of their box all game. But did they f*ck. They showed no fear whatsoever, some pretty tidy play, and frankly they were unlucky to go in at half time pegged back to level.

The FA Cup is no place for snobbery, and I f*cking loved it. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on their results in future.

Congratulations Havant & Waterlooville for a performance that did everybody associated with your club complete and utter credit. For us, 45 mins to forget, but job done and onwards. I have no quibbles whatsoever beyond that.

Spot on, mate.  I despair sometimes when I read the match threads these days.  Too many people spending all of their energy sticking the boot in and enjoying it.  Too many people rubbishing the opposition in order to belittle our own players and manager.  Too many people obsessed with running up a cricket score above all else.  Then, when one of ours does something right it's often met with some sarky little dig like "bout time" or "why can he only do that against rubbish teams."  It's nauseating, if I'm honest.

Look, I understand the frustration when we don't play well.  And I recognize that this is the place to air all views, including critical ones.  But a sense of perspective is what's sorely needed these days.  Were we in top form yesterday?  Of course not and no one's saying so (not even Lando).  But, we won comfortably when you take into account the full 90 minutes and not just the first 45.  We never were off to the races but we advanced and some people need to keep that in mind. 

What does this result foretell for the future? Who the feck knows?  Maybe we'll regain some form, or maybe we'll continue to struggle but that would have been true whether we won 20-0 or lost 1-2.  As Laza correctly says (nice to have you back, mate, BTW) we were never going to draw any meaningful conclusions from this match.  Personally, given the week we've just had, I'm just glad to be through and we'll see what happens midweek.
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Postby Bad Bob » Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:06 pm

LittleHobo wrote:lando you are the most deluded poster on here.

going behind against a team of bin men,plumbers, builders etc is embarassing

and not once but twice.

the world is laughing at us after yesterday

champions league? your having a laugh

fa cup? no way...the players have lost faith in rafas methods in my opinion

The world is laughing at us?  ???

The players have lost faith in Rafa's methods? Well, in that case, I hope Benayoun, for one, never regains his faith.  Lucas can remain disillusioned too if it means he'll be bending them in like that the rest of the season.

The Champions League, you're having a laugh?  I'm sure you said that after the Burnley match in 05, too, didn't you?

What is wrong with us supporters these days?  Can we not keep poor performances--poor winning performances especially--in any sense of perspective?  Is there some magic formula that dictates that we had to win by 9 clear goals yesterday or we are definitively sh!te and the rest of the season is a write off.  Get a grip. :no
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Postby NANNY RED » Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:22 pm

Doesnt that young kid who scored though look like a young Jimmy Bullard :D by the way whens the draw for the next round
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Postby Kharhaz » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:23 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Doesnt that young kid who scored though look like a young Jimmy Bullard :D by the way whens the draw for the next round

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Postby Judge » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:24 pm

we havant lost :D
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:29 pm

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Nanny i see what you mean about the young guy lol

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Postby jonah » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:50 pm

time to stand back and have a good look at yourselves all you overpaid premiereshit premos. havant will be playing some lowly team like dorchester next week, but will have just as much of a fight on their hands as they had yesterday against your pathetic display. it will be more of a fight because they won't get as much time on the ball as you get playing your "preety" football. try playing a whole season at :censored: venues against unheard of opposition and see what motivational skills your manager would need. the whole country is living in a false dream world as far as football is concerned, and you lot proved it yesterday. i'd liked to have seen aldershot/burton albion/torquay take you on yesterday, with havants' approach, they would of stuffed you.
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:51 pm

cant believe it, i backed 5-1 with paquette or whatever to score first, 850/1!!!

and we score an own goal... oh well, a win is a win, draw tomorrow, should be fun
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Postby King Carra » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:10 pm

I can't believe the amount of people that are looking at this game and worrying about Inter, it's shocking, it really is.

FA Cup games mean nothing in the form books, so what if Inter are laughing at us, infact I hope they are, will mean they're over-confident, ready for when we'll hopefully show them a tight game!
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Postby lakes10 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:14 pm

jonah wrote:time to stand back and have a good look at yourselves all you overpaid premiereshit premos. havant will be playing some lowly team like dorchester next week, but will have just as much of a fight on their hands as they had yesterday against your pathetic display. it will be more of a fight because they won't get as much time on the ball as you get playing your "preety" football. try playing a whole season at :censored: venues against unheard of opposition and see what motivational skills your manager would need. the whole country is living in a false dream world as far as football is concerned, and you lot proved it yesterday. i'd liked to have seen aldershot/burton albion/torquay take you on yesterday, with havants' approach, they would of stuffed you.

so why dont aldershot/burton albion/torquay make the FA Cup final every year??? if what you say is true.
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Postby The_Rock » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:16 pm

I am not saying its happy days and all.....but perhaps we can stop all this yanks out sh1t and concentrate on the football in the meantime.

Hicks has already backed rafa in public. He has given him money to get skertel (and from what i hear mash is set to sign too).

So instead of blaming all our on-field problems on the owners...perhaps we should look at rafa and the players now ?

Hicks (you can hate him or you can hate him even more)...has kept his bargain now......

So Rafa should keep his. Get the basis right. Sort out the defence (we are conceding too many goals from set pieces). Pick the strongest team where available. And if the players are feeling down....then motivate them. A manager has to do all this.  I called rafa a coach....well hope he shows me he can be a manager.

FWIW......i hate hicks....i hate the rangers (i support the tigers). I just think he has made his peace (no matter how unsincere it may sound). So its time for the playing staff to do theirs....


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LONDON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Liverpool joint-owner Tom Hicks put his full support behind manager Rafael Benitez on Sunday, saying he expected the Spaniard to remain in charge for the remaining two years of his contract and maybe beyond.

Hicks and fellow American George Gillett had a falling out with Benitez last year after the manager criticised them over their financing of transfers but both sides have since said they are now on good terms.

'We have a great manager who has our support,' Hicks told BBC Radio 5-Live on Sunday.

'We had a lot of consternation about Rafa. After our meeting of Dec. 16, where he really showed his real strong intent to do the right thing with us and by the club, he's been a gentleman ever since.

'We've had much better communication and he's got my total backing. We funded transfer requests in January, we are talking about more in the summer. We've never turned down Rafa's request for money for any player he's asked for.

'He's got a contract for two more years and hopefully longer than that.'

Hicks and Gillett completed a re-financing deal on Friday that should allow them to go ahead with the building of a new stadium and said they did not expect any investment from Dubai International Capital (DIC), after the group declined the chance to become a minority owner.

Asked if he planned to sell the club to the DIC, Hicks said: 'Absolutely not. That was never a serious possibility and certainly isn't today. I can't think of a price that I would think of having any interest in selling at all.

'I did talk to them once about a 10-15 percent participation. We gave them a valuation we would accept a minority investor at but they thought the valuation was too high.

'There is no question in my mind that I will still be an owner of Liverpool Football Club in five years.'

Liverpool are planning to build a new stadium on parkland adjacent to their current Anfield home, though the plans have changed and been delayed several times.

'I'm really excited about the future of the club, it will be the finest stadium in the world and everyone in Liverpool should be very proud of it,' Hicks said.

Hicks also owns NHL team Dallas Stars and the Texas Rangers baseball club and said he had a 'real passion' for all three clubs.

'I want to win the support of our fans with my actions and get out of the tabloids,' he said.

'I think it's a great long-term way to invest my money with what I believe is going to happen with global TV and internet growth of teams.

'I love baseball, I love hockey and I love English football.' I'm a big fan. I watch every game on TV and wish I could come over to every game but it's a long way, though I hope to come to more.'

Of Liverpool's current situation, where they trail leaders Manchester United by 14 points and struggled to get past minor league Havant and Waterlooville in the FA Cup on Saturday,' Hicks said:

'We could do better, the players know that, Rafa knows that. It's all about how we play and it's time for this club to win.

'But we are on our way, we are going to build the greatest stadium, we have a great manager, we have great fans. It's time to put the press frenzy behind us and move down the road.'
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Postby LittleHobo » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:52 pm

guys guys guys

you got me all wrong

i love rafa and would love for him to win us the league

all i wanna see is obvious progress, but at the moment i am seeing us going backwards rather than progress
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Postby Number 9 » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:11 pm

LittleHobo wrote:lando you are the most deluded poster on here.

going behind against a team of bin men,plumbers, builders etc is embarassing

and not once but twice.

the world is laughing at us after yesterday

champions league? your having a laugh

fa cup? no way...the players have lost faith in rafas methods in my opinion

Binmen etc have showed passion you refuse to recognize!I and every supporter of LFC applaud them :nod
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Postby account deleted by request » Sun Jan 27, 2008 8:25 pm

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ivor_the_injun wrote:I'm glad that some sense has crept into this thread in the last few pages. To be honest some of the prattle mid-game was absolutely shocking. Any red that refers to a guy that has earned the right to play against their side, and has then taken that chance and acquitted themselves very well as a "f*cking binman" or a "fat f*cking plumber" wants putting on their ar*es IMO.

First half we were appalling, second half we coasted it. Once we took the lead our defensive line was up in their half for most of the half, and it could've ended up double-figures but for some brave defending on their part and a lack of composure in and around the box on ours.

Personally, I read absolutely nothing into the result about anything being wrong at our club. I saw a match that for 45 minutes was f*cking compelling, and would have been an absolute delight to any neutral supporter had they been given the opportunity to watch it live on TV.

No we didn't shower ourselves in glory, but instead of bemoaning our first half performance, let's applaud the opposition who gave everybody a lesson in what the FA Cup should be about. They could've looked at the team sheet, saw all the internationals listed for us and just stood on the edge of their box all game. But did they f*ck. They showed no fear whatsoever, some pretty tidy play, and frankly they were unlucky to go in at half time pegged back to level.

The FA Cup is no place for snobbery, and I f*cking loved it. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on their results in future.

Congratulations Havant & Waterlooville for a performance that did everybody associated with your club complete and utter credit. For us, 45 mins to forget, but job done and onwards. I have no quibbles whatsoever beyond that.

Spot on, mate.  I despair sometimes when I read the match threads these days.  Too many people spending all of their energy sticking the boot in and enjoying it.  Too many people rubbishing the opposition in order to belittle our own players and manager.  Too many people obsessed with running up a cricket score above all else.  Then, when one of ours does something right it's often met with some sarky little dig like "bout time" or "why can he only do that against rubbish teams."  It's nauseating, if I'm honest.

Look, I understand the frustration when we don't play well.  And I recognize that this is the place to air all views, including critical ones.  But a sense of perspective is what's sorely needed these days.  Were we in top form yesterday?  Of course not and no one's saying so (not even Lando).  But, we won comfortably when you take into account the full 90 minutes and not just the first 45.  We never were off to the races but we advanced and some people need to keep that in mind. 

What does this result foretell for the future? Who the feck knows?  Maybe we'll regain some form, or maybe we'll continue to struggle but that would have been true whether we won 20-0 or lost 1-2.  As Laza correctly says (nice to have you back, mate, BTW) we were never going to draw any meaningful conclusions from this match.  Personally, given the week we've just had, I'm just glad to be through and we'll see what happens midweek.

Sorry mate but I think thats boll0x. Its not the score thats the problem its the way we played thats the problem. We could have scored 10 yesterday playing part-timers, it still wouldn't have meant we played well!!!

It makes me laugh sometimes.... we draw with Chelsea at home and its a case of "its not the result its the way we played."

We play a team of part-timers and "its not the way we played its the result that counts" 

:D

In truth its the FACT that we have had terrible results for weeks, and look no nearer getting out of this latest bliiiiiiiiip than we did weeks ago. Maybe winning 10-0 or 20-0 isn't what was required, but it would have been nice to play well. It would have been nice to see Kuyt scoring freely, and maybe looking like an international player rather than worse than a part-timer. It would have been nice if our defence hadn't conceeded from a set piece YET AGAIN.

It would have been nice if we still looked like a decent side when Torres and Gerrard arnt playing.

Wake up mate and smell the coffee, we won, is that all that really matters? So when we lose or draw you wont be saying "ah but we still played well" ever again?

If nothing else the team should have some fkn pride in their performance, rather than playing like they didn't give a toss for 45 minutes.

I didn't want to get drawn into all this cr@p, I was happy we were through, and happy for Havant to have had such a great day, but to try to make out that it doesn't matter ho we played and that everything is OK is just boll0x.


Plus the fact they cost Dawson a small fortune  :D
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