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[LFC2007]

When we were 0-1 down and 1-2 down, the  ESPN commentator said that this game should have been a confidence builder.

I'm actually happy because we're through, and we've learned a couple of lessons.

A game like that cannot be considered a confidence builder even if you win 12-0. Nor to decide Rafa is a genius or poor manager. Nor to evaluate whether Lucas and Mascherano do a good partnership. The difference in quality is so huge, it's not a game to evaluate these things.

After quality, in football there's another mental thing more important than any tactics, and that's concentration. If you have quality and proper concentration, you have 80% of what you need to win a match. The other 15% are tactics, how you manage the substitutions, whether you're able to keep a rythm through minutes etc. I'll leave a generous 5% for the effects of rotation.

So actually it was a good lesson because Finnan, Itandje and overall all the squad learned that you have to be concentrated no matter what. Havant & Waterlooville did their basic stuff well as long as they could, they of course got a corner (any team that trains could get that) and they got two goals due to their concentration and our lack of it in a couple of situations. We then put things in place with the quality, that could be seen in strikes like Lucas'

It hurted yes to see them 1-2 but actually it was a good lesson. Much better than a 7-0 with no important lessons. We could see aswell that Skrtel needs a few more training with us and a few more unimportant minutes.

On a side note, I was glad to see H&W fans enjoying the most exciting supporter moments of their lives. What they felt inside was probably comparable to the joy you lot felt when we won the CL. Perhaps even more because they're less used to this top happyness moments than we are.

I'd advice that litte left winger Potter to consider leaving England and come to Spain to work. I reckon that he could get a decent full time contract in Spain and forget about plumbing or whatever he's doing at the moment. He could come back to England with a bit of saved money, another language learned and a beautiful woman.

We're through, hopefully lessons are learned, bring on next match.

Sabre mate, you have the funniest way of putting things; 'top happyness moments'   

[Lando_Griffin]

Au contraire - it IS about winning. And that's exactly what we did.

True it is, but why did we make a mountain out of a molehill, in beating a taxi driver and a binman etc ?

If your clearly satisfied with that performance, then you wont mind us finnishing fifth this sreason will you, and you'll probably see it as "heading in the right direction knowing you.

First off - you don't know me. Otherwise, you wouldn't rabbit on about falsehoods you believe to be what I "would" say given a certain set of circumstances.

The fact is I'm not happy about the performance, but we won a cup tie against a side playing the best game of their lives. We showed the character and professionalism to beat them, irrespective of where they're from.

Some people are never happy.

[Lando_Griffin]

This has got to be the first time I've ever read that 5-2 isn't a good win...

You'd think that we'd lost, reading the sh*te on here...

Come on Lando the first half performance was terrible, its just not about winning. Sometimes its good to see a great performance, and lets not forget we were playing against a team of part-timers, it was pretty embarrising out there out times.

Au contraire - it IS about winning. And that's exactly what we did.

What i don't get is this:

Why is it ok to coast into a lead, then lose 2 goals, but it's not ok for us to go behind twice, then have (and show) the character to come from behind and tw*t them?

The mind boggles, it really does...

Because at least then you have an excuse, rather than having to say you were OUTPLAYED by a team of part-timers for 45minutes.

You try to defend the undefendable at times mate. Winning 5 -2 in the manner we did against a team of part-timers was not some great victory, but a shambolic display of ineptitude.

If you are going to hide from the truth like this mate, theres not much point really is there?

Maybe we should release a video of the game or include it in our greatest games? 

Then again maybe it was a great win, we certainly arn't getting many of them in the league at the moment are we. 

But why focus on the bad points? Why not think "Well - we played like sh*t, but still managed to win 5-2"?

What is the f*cking point in forever boiling the lads and Rafa? I'm sick and f*cking tired of silly c*nts moaning when we win, and moaning when we lose.

"Oh, well we won, but not convincingly enough."

"Oh, we won, but we didn't score enough goals."

"Oh, we won, but we were behind at times".

SO F*CKING WHAT!?! We won - that is the end of it.

[Lando_Griffin]

lando you are the most deluded poster on here.

going behind against a team of bin men,plumbers, builders etc is embarassing

and not once but twice.

the world is laughing at us after yesterday

champions league? your having a laugh

fa cup? no way...the players have lost faith in rafas methods in my opinion

Listen here, you f*cking backward imbecile:

It was an FA CUP GAME. Shocks and upsets are what it's all about.

And we avoided one, with a 5-2 win.

Listen to me:

5-2 win. Ok? Now say it with me:

"5-2 win".

Repeat until you realise that we didn't lose, c*nt.

[Lando_Griffin]

time to stand back and have a good look at yourselves all you overpaid premiereshit premos. havant will be playing some lowly team like dorchester next week, but will have just as much of a fight on their hands as they had yesterday against your pathetic display. it will be more of a fight because they won't get as much time on the ball as you get playing your "preety" football. try playing a whole season at venues against unheard of opposition and see what motivational skills your manager would need. the whole country is living in a false dream world as far as football is concerned, and you lot proved it yesterday. i'd liked to have seen aldershot/burton albion/torquay take you on yesterday, with havants' approach, they would of stuffed you.

What? Like your boyfriend stuffs your a*se every night, creampuff?

[account deleted by request]

When we were 0-1 down and 1-2 down, the  ESPN commentator said that this game should have been a confidence builder.

I'm actually happy because we're through, and we've learned a couple of lessons.

But have we Sabre? one would have thought any necessary lessons would have been learned against Luton?

I admit I have no idea whats going wrong at the moment or why we can't seem to get our game going properly. H&G, lack of confidence, rotation, Rafa's lost the dressing room etc etc , take your pick or think up a new excuse because I was quite happy with the team Rafa put out.

I do know one thing though, if this bliiiiip continues the pressure is going to increase on Rafa and the team and its going to get harder and harder to get out of it.

I just hope he plays safe against West Ham, puts out our best eleven (whatever that is) and gets the team playing to their potential rather than as strangers.

[account deleted by request]

This has got to be the first time I've ever read that 5-2 isn't a good win...

You'd think that we'd lost, reading the sh*te on here...

Come on Lando the first half performance was terrible, its just not about winning. Sometimes its good to see a great performance, and lets not forget we were playing against a team of part-timers, it was pretty embarrising out there out times.

Au contraire - it IS about winning. And that's exactly what we did.

What i don't get is this:

Why is it ok to coast into a lead, then lose 2 goals, but it's not ok for us to go behind twice, then have (and show) the character to come from behind and tw*t them?

The mind boggles, it really does...

Because at least then you have an excuse, rather than having to say you were OUTPLAYED by a team of part-timers for 45minutes.

You try to defend the undefendable at times mate. Winning 5 -2 in the manner we did against a team of part-timers was not some great victory, but a shambolic display of ineptitude.

If you are going to hide from the truth like this mate, theres not much point really is there?

Maybe we should release a video of the game or include it in our greatest games? 

Then again maybe it was a great win, we certainly arn't getting many of them in the league at the moment are we. 

But why focus on the bad points? Why not think "Well - we played like sh*t, but still managed to win 5-2"?

What is the f*cking point in forever boiling the lads and Rafa? I'm sick and f*cking tired of silly c*nts moaning when we win, and moaning when we lose.

"Oh, well we won, but not convincingly enough."

"Oh, we won, but we didn't score enough goals."

"Oh, we won, but we were behind at times".

SO F*CKING WHAT!?! We won - that is the end of it.

So what your saying is we should ignore the fact that our home form is abysmal, and disregard the fact we have earned the same number of points at home as Sunderland have(3rd off the bottom), and that even Reading have a better home record than us?

Lets just concentrate on the fact that we won the CL a few seasons ago and smile. Or maybe we should think back to when we last won the title, although that may prove a trifle difficult for a few on here....... AS THEY WERN'T EVEN BORN 

I know your hearts in the right place mate, but sometimes its difficult getting you to acknowledge the problems we have. (I know you realise we do have problems, I don't think your thick, blind or stupid.... just too loyal at times)

We have to support the team mate, but that doesn't mean we have to be blind to any problems etc. It just means we carry on supporting the team even though they have problems.

Fingers crossed for a nice easy draw anyway. (We may need it    )

Read this if you have a strong stomach

[LFC2007]

its just not about winning.

It is though, it's always about the result, it's always about winning.

[ivor_the_injun]

Honestly, it has to be one way or the other.

Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea have all ground out ugly results this season, and whem they do it's hailed as the hallmark of championship contenders.

When we do it (and yes I do acknowledge we haven't done it enough), it's seen as the sign of trouble at t'mill.

If we win any game in the 95th minute, against the run of play, in a game when we've stunk the pitch out all game long, I'm happy. We won 5-2 on Saturday in a game I thoroughly enjoyed, so I'm happy.

[LittleHobo]

Au contraire - it IS about winning. And that's exactly what we did.

True it is, but why did we make a mountain out of a molehill, in beating a taxi driver and a binman etc ?

If your clearly satisfied with that performance, then you wont mind us finnishing fifth this sreason will you, and you'll probably see it as "heading in the right direction knowing you.

First off - you don't know me. Otherwise, you wouldn't rabbit on about falsehoods you believe to be what I "would" say given a certain set of circumstances.

The fact is I'm not happy about the performance, but we won a cup tie against a side playing the best game of their lives. We showed the character and professionalism to beat them, irrespective of where they're from.

Some people are never happy.

thats funny lando

that you actually think its a good thing that we showed character to come from behind against a team of part timers

hillarious

you have lose expectations son

we shouldnt have been behind in the first place if we were so professional

[ruskiy playmaker]

Lucas: Rafa Benitez blast fired us on
Jan 28 2008 by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo

LUCAS LEIVA has revealed how some harsh words from Rafa Benitez inspired Liverpool's much improved second half showing against Havant & Waterlooville on Saturday.

After a shocking first half performance which saw the Reds go behind to their non-league opponents twice, Benitez read his players the riot act during the interval.

And Lucas believes it was the kick up the backside they needed as Liverpool went on to win 5-2 and earn themselves a place in today's FA Cup fifth round draw.

He said: "In the first half we played not so well but in the second half we played much better and we won so now we must prepare for the next game.

"We knew that we had to win the game because we are in the top division and they are five divisions below us but they worked really hard.

"We tried to play well but we made two mistakes in the first half and conceded two goals.

"Rafa said a lot of hard things to us at half-time and told us that we had to improve because we had conceded goals too easily and I think we did improve."

Lucas grabbed the first goal of his Liverpool career during that disappointing first half and the midfielder spoke of his pride at becoming the first Brazilian ever to score for the Reds.

And he is hoping his promising performance against Havant will increase his first team opportunities in the weeks and months to come.

"I'm really happy because I have been trying to get my first goal," he said.

"It's funny because on Friday I was having shots in training and I scored some goals and some of the players were telling me I would score the next day, and I did.

"It was a beautiful moment for me and I would like to dedicate the goal to my family because they are always right behind me.

"It was a special moment for me because I became the first Brazilian to score for Liverpool so I'm really, really happy.

"I'm not playing all that much but I am trying and hopefully I will get more opportunities."

Liverpool were today finding out who their opponents will be in the next round of the cup and Lucas is already dreaming of walking out at Wembley and maybe even getting his hands on the FA Cup – even though he knows full well how difficult it is to win the competition.

He said: "The FA Cup is really famous in Brazil and we need to try and win it because it is a very important competition.

"I watched Liverpool play in the FA Cup on TV when I was in Brazil and it always seemed like a great occasion so if we could win the cup now it would be really special.

"I've never played at Wembley so hopefully we will get there this season but we know that every game we play in the FA Cup will be difficult."

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpo....0402904
tonybarrett@liverpoolecho.co.uk


I hope Rafa does more of these half time team talks.  Some of these player really need a kick up the a$$.

[LFC2007]

Au contraire - it IS about winning. And that's exactly what we did.

True it is, but why did we make a mountain out of a molehill, in beating a taxi driver and a binman etc ?

If your clearly satisfied with that performance, then you wont mind us finnishing fifth this sreason will you, and you'll probably see it as "heading in the right direction knowing you.

First off - you don't know me. Otherwise, you wouldn't rabbit on about falsehoods you believe to be what I "would" say given a certain set of circumstances.

The fact is I'm not happy about the performance, but we won a cup tie against a side playing the best game of their lives. We showed the character and professionalism to beat them, irrespective of where they're from.

Some people are never happy.

thats funny lando

that you actually think its a good thing that we showed character to come from behind against a team of part timers

Of course it's a good thing, anyone who thinks it's not is a bit thick really.

[account deleted by request]

its just not about winning.

It is though, it's always about the result, it's always about winning.

Thats not my quote mate ?? 

Be careful or you may find Heimdalls Rafa out rants quoted as yours 

[LFC2007]

its just not about winning.

It is though, it's always about the result, it's always about winning.

Thats not my quote mate ?? 

Be careful or you may find Heimdalls Rafa out rants quoted as yours 

I'm a fuckin idiot.

[account deleted by request]

This has got to be the first time I've ever read that 5-2 isn't a good win...

You'd think that we'd lost, reading the sh*te on here...

Come on Lando the first half performance was terrible, its just not about winning. Sometimes its good to see a great performance, and lets not forget we were playing against a team of part-timers, it was pretty embarrising out there out times.

Its Bamaga's post not mine