Liverpool FC Forum

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:39 pm

Avi Cohen wrote:If we can't play our style of football at home, when can we play it? Of course, I'm taking awful liberties in assuming we have a style of football.

If we play 4-5-1 at home to top sides, we can be sure as shi.t we'll play the same when we travel. Arsenal is the team to beat, not contain. If we are to win the league, we can't play a cautious formation at home.

I know I'm a worse case scenario poster (It's my personality:() but if we play that formation against the big sides, we'll never be anything more than an also-ran and can get used to 4th/5th position.

Rafa needs to think about the damage we can do, not the damage they can do. All top sides think that way. And we won't be until we start thinking that way too.

Rafa always worries about the opposition no matter who it is. It wasnt too long ago he was chaging our system at bolton in fear of what they can do.

by **Feugo** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:43 pm

have a little faith

and the Injuries prob is here

by **parchpea** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:45 pm

We sent out a team to stop Arsenal playing but it didnt work.

The fact that a Liverpool team is sent out at Anfield to contain any opponent is bad enough to to be played off the park anyway is double poor.

Kuyt and Voronion operated in workmalike role on the flanks, and these are two centre forwards, and average ones at that.This is when we have a more natural winger and a superior player in Babel sat on the bench.

To me Babels only reason for omission is he is too positive for Benitez.

Late on he introduces a left back Arbeloa into midfield and the lad is caught out for not tracking Fabregas and costs us a goal.

Yes we had shots and goal and their keeper was worked but overall Arsenal took the game to Liverpool and played us off the park for the majority of the match.

At the finish we where lucky to get a point given they missed two open goals.

The team selection and tactics suggest that Benitez knows Arsenal have a better team than Liverpool and by god thats one thing he has figured out correctly.

The Arsenal support mocked Liverpools style of play and we did nothing to suggest that their words where anything but true even in jest.

On the evidence of today we have little hope of finishing above this Arsenal team.

I want a Liverpool that plays with panache and a team full of expression but under this regime it will never happen unfortunately.

I long for the day when I can truly enjoy watching Liverpool again and be satisfied and comfortable in knowing that we have tried to play in the right manner and be entertaining win, lose or draw.

Whats happended to us if anyone thinks the way things are going is acceptable for Liverpool FC.

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:03 pm

parchpea wrote:We sent out a team to stop Arsenal playing but it didnt work.

The fact that a Liverpool team is sent out at Anfield to contain any opponent is bad enough to to be played off the park anyway is double poor.

Kuyt and Voronion operated in workmalike role on the flanks, and these are two centre forwards, and average ones at that.This is when we have a more natural winger and a superior player in Babel sat on the bench.

To me Babels only reason for omission is he is too positive for Benitez.

Late on he introduces a left back Arbeloa into midfield and the lad is caught out for not tracking Fabregas and costs us a goal.

Yes we had shots and goal and their keeper was worked but overall Arsenal took the game to Liverpool and played us off the park for the majority of the match.

At the finish we where lucky to get a point given they missed two open goals.

The team selection and tactics suggest that Benitez knows Arsenal have a better team than Liverpool and by god thats one thing he has figured out correctly.

The Arsenal support mocked Liverpools style of play and we did nothing to suggest that their words where anything but true even in jest.

On the evidence of today we have little hope of finishing above this Arsenal team.

I want a Liverpool that plays with panache and a team full of expression but under this regime it will never happen unfortunately.

I long for the day when I can truly enjoy watching Liverpool again and be satisfied and comfortable in knowing that we have tried to play in the right manner and be entertaining win, lose or draw.

Whats happended to us if anyone thinks the way things are going is acceptable for Liverpool FC.

Its not acceptable. We dont play entertaining football. Far too many long balls and more trying to outfight good sides with work and effort. Inferior players will never really beat technically superior players with workrate and effort.

I still dont know why Babel was signed as to me he isnt the sort of attacking player that Rafa likes. Van Basten was worried about Babel going to liverpool.

The main emphasis for our side is winning the ball back. I dont think this style will ever win a championship.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:06 pm

parchpea wrote:I want a Liverpool that plays with panache and a team full of expression but under this regime it will never happen unfortunately.

I long for the day when I can truly enjoy watching Liverpool again and be satisfied and comfortable in knowing that we have tried to play in the right manner and be entertaining win, lose or draw.

Whats happended to us if anyone thinks the way things are going is acceptable for Liverpool FC.

You have to be realistic at times like this - we've been playing poorly, we've got players rushed back that could've used another week off, and we come up against the side that are playing the best football in the league.

These are the times to dig in and grind out results, and today I thought we did that. We weren't the better side, but we were far from embarrassed, and key players such as Gerrard, Mascherano and Carragher that haven't been setting the world alight with their form in recent weeks demonstrated that there is a very bright light at the end of the tunnel.

If we'd gone out today with all guns blazing we would have been absolutely mullered, and nobody would be on here proud of the team. Rafa set up a side today to take the sting out of a very, very dangerous Arsenal side, and after 80 minutes we had 3 points. I think that speaks for itself. The balance of play reflects the respective form of the two sides for me, and to keep them out for 80 mins after the high they've been on since their 7-0 on Tuesday speaks volumes for our spirit today. If you can't applaud that, then you haven't been watching the two sides recently.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:08 pm

puroresu wrote:Its not acceptable. We dont play entertaining football. Far too many long balls and more trying to outfight good sides with work and effort.

Sounds a bit too much like Roman Abramovich-style talk to me. We're finding our way back into form, and having Rafa turn into Kevin Keegan is not the way forward.

Find your form first by whatever means necessary, then the quality of football will follow.

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:09 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:
parchpea wrote:I want a Liverpool that plays with panache and a team full of expression but under this regime it will never happen unfortunately.

I long for the day when I can truly enjoy watching Liverpool again and be satisfied and comfortable in knowing that we have tried to play in the right manner and be entertaining win, lose or draw.

Whats happended to us if anyone thinks the way things are going is acceptable for Liverpool FC.

You have to be realistic at times like this - we've been playing poorly, we've got players rushed back that could've used another week off, and we come up against the side that are playing the best football in the league.

These are the times to dig in and grind out results, and today I thought we did that. We weren't the better side, but we were far from embarrassed, and key players such as Gerrard, Mascherano and Carragher that haven't been setting the world alight with their form in recent weeks demonstrated that there is a very bright light at the end of the tunnel.

If we'd gone out today with all guns blazing we would have been absolutely mullered, and nobody would be on here proud of the team. Rafa set up a side today to take the sting out of a very, very dangerous Arsenal side, and after 80 minutes we had 3 points. I think that speaks for itself. The balance of play reflects the respective form of the two sides for me, and to keep them out for 80 mins after the high they've been on since their 7-0 on Tuesday speaks volumes for our spirit today. If you can't applaud that, then you haven't been watching the two sides recently.

But it wasnt like we were dominating for the majority of those 80 mins. Remember we are the home side and supposed to be one of those sides who will challenge for the title. If we are honest that Arsenal equaliser was always coming and its just a surprise it took 80 mins to get it.

by **DonnieDarko** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:10 pm

Okay, so we might have been torn apart. But I'd rather die on my feet than on my knees.

well said. We have to start playing with some real wingers. I don't see how rafa expects to win playing with no real width.

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:13 pm

ivor_the_injun wrote:
puroresu wrote:Its not acceptable. We dont play entertaining football. Far too many long balls and more trying to outfight good sides with work and effort.

Sounds a bit too much like Roman Abramovich-style talk to me. We're finding our way back into form, and having Rafa turn into Kevin Keegan is not the way forward.

Find your form first by whatever means necessary, then the quality of football will follow.

Has that quality of football ever really happened under this regime. I aint saying Rafa has to be like kevin keegan but u have to accept he is a defensive manager. Even when we play the lesser sides its not like rafa really sets out attacking formations. The lack of real pass and movement is why we struggle to break down sides who ask us to play in front of them.

by **parchpea** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:14 pm

I hate to always be on Liverpools and the managers case, really I do, but its so very frustrating.

All hope appears dashed already even after good investment in the summer and its hard to take.

Arsenal are magnificent and guided by probably the best manager in world football.

Its just we seem to be heading for another finish outside the top 3 and so early in the season its plain to see that we are no better than last season.

Anyways I cannot fix it so we grin and bear it and hope that things turn out better than imagined

by **tubby** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:26 pm

parchpea wrote:I hate to always be on Liverpools and the managers case, really I do, but its so very frustrating.

All hope appears dashed already even after good investment in the summer and its hard to take.

Arsenal are magnificent and guided by probably the best manager in world football.

Its just we seem to be heading for another finish outside the top 3 and so early in the season its plain to see that we are no better than last season.

Anyways I cannot fix it so we grin and bear it and hope that things turn out better than imagined

Hit the nail on the head. The only thing id add to that is that we need to be more careful this year as if we continue to drop points at home we may find even finishing 4th a hard task.

by **DonnieDarko** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:28 pm

Two seasons ago we went through a spell where we were playing absolutely beautiful football. I specifically remember the derby at Everton where we embarressed them. Kewell had a lot to do with it methinks and we didnt rotate very much if i remember correctly.

by **tubby** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:38 pm

DonnieDarko wrote:Two seasons ago we went through a spell where we were playing absolutely beautiful football. I specifically remember the derby at Everton where we embarressed them. Kewell had a lot to do with it methinks and we didnt rotate very much if i remember correctly.

Yeah he scored a cracker that game. Garcia too.

We have played attractive football at times but its not on a regular basis. We are right now playing quite ugly to get our points.

by **hello_red** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:39 pm

Good match to watch. I like the way we played. Riise looked a bit rubish today though, Aurelio would of been a better option or Arbeloa. Good pressing football against a very good team. Gutted about the equaliser, Reaina should of done better. People are picking holes where really there arent any considering recent form and injuries etc etc etc.

by **chrisrafman** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:55 pm

A good point? Against a good team? Was it :censored:

!!!!!! 4-1 last season we beat them, considering weve supposedly moved forward this year coming against an Arsenal team minus Henry, wether they are in form or not we were dominated at home. Were supposed to be a title challenging team, for that to happen we should be in control of every game we play at home. Like i said we beat them 4-1 at Anfield last yaer, they could have easily beaten us 4-1 this time. We need to spend in January and weed out the :censored:

. Were

in europe, the run weve had is inexcusable and weve already dropped stupid points in the league. I have faith in Rafa to turn this around but we nee to reinforce the squad during the next window

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