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by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:09 pm

All told, a good point for us today I reckon. We genuinely could have been on the end of a hiding on current form today.

Some worrying injuries picked up by the look of things, but if there's nothing serious coming out of the game, I really think we'll start coming into form now.

Gerrard's looking a player once again, Carragher's timing in his challenge looked a lot better, and we looked a lot more fluent going forward in spells.

Agger's a very key player still to come back, and with the likes of him, Kewell and Aurelio at our disposal once more, along with (hopefully) Torres and Alonso available, we'll be a lot more organised at the back, secure in the middle, and threatening going forward.

I definitely think Alonso's availability for coming games will shape our imminent fortunes. Fingers crossed his knock is nothing that will keep him out for another spell. As Arsenal showed today, you need a side with passers all over the park, and thankfully that's a lesson that wasn't too expensive today.

Feels like a point gained rather that 2 lost right now, though it was such a shame to hold out for so long only to concede in the last 10 mins. It was a fixture many of us were dreading, and thankfully we've negotiated it without any major damage pointswise.

by **Dundalk** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:13 pm

Well after the Istanbul game during the week a lot on here were saying that it could be embarrassing today and we could get beat 4-0.

We played well enough I thought, but we were up against a team who are brimming with confidence and have just come off a 7-0 midweek win.

Kuyt now needs to be dropped there is no doubting that, Im afraid he just hasnt got what it takes to score goals at this level. When Crouch came on he was much better and actually looked like a forward instead off a defensive midfielder.

A good point against a good team

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:17 pm

kuyt and vorinin are not good enough. How kuyt stays in the side I have no idea. he offers little in the final 3rd. Still to many back to front balls. The lack of posession for the home side isnt good at all.

I feared the worst before the game and I cant fault the workrate and effort but to me the side still lacks genuine quality.

by **Avi Cohen** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:17 pm

We played 4-5-1. At Anfield .

Don't know about you, but that sounds like Birmingham at Old Twatford to me.

We were up for it today and played better than we have done in weeks. The team played close together and not spread out all over the park. Saying that, Arsenal should have won it. Kuyt and Riise looked so off the mark today it wasn't funny. How many attacks broke down easily because of their ineptitude? I was a big defender of Kuyt but now he looks like Garcia minus the tricks.

by **Avi Cohen** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:18 pm

If I was Peter Crouch I'd be :censored:

off.

Liverpool's top scorer las season is second pecking to a free transfer who managed a tally of 4 last season.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:19 pm

One thing needs saying, I think the Crouch doubters are running out of reasons for him to not be given the nod now. He looks far more of an asset up front than Kuyt and Voronin to me.

by **mistyred** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:20 pm

We have turned more corners than a roundabout.

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:22 pm

Avi Cohen wrote:We played 4-5-1. At Anfield .

Don't know about you, but that sounds like Birmingham at Old Twatford to me.

We were up for it today and played better than we have done in weeks. The team played close together and not spread out all over the park. Saying that, Arsenal should have won it. Kuyt and Riise looked so off the mark today it wasn't funny. How many attacks broke down easily because of their ineptitude? I was a big defender of Kuyt but now he looks like Garcia minus the tricks.

4-5-1 with two strikers in midfield. At home I saw Kuyt and Vorinin way back in our own half far to often. I see what Rafa wanted to do but if u allow a side like Arsenal so much possession its only a matter of time before they cut u open.

Arsenal were never going to come to anfield and sit back with two banks of four so I would of liked to see a more attacking lineup but Rafa is cautious and I think he was so frightened of the arsenal counter attacks. It ended up with us playing on the counter.

by **Avi Cohen** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:26 pm

puroresu wrote:
Avi Cohen wrote:We played 4-5-1. At Anfield .

Don't know about you, but that sounds like Birmingham at Old Twatford to me.

We were up for it today and played better than we have done in weeks. The team played close together and not spread out all over the park. Saying that, Arsenal should have won it. Kuyt and Riise looked so off the mark today it wasn't funny. How many attacks broke down easily because of their ineptitude? I was a big defender of Kuyt but now he looks like Garcia minus the tricks.

4-5-1 with two strikers in midfield. At home I saw Kuyt and Vorinin way back in our own half far to often. I see what Rafa wanted to do but if u allow a side like Arsenal so much possession its only a matter of time before they cut u open.

Arsenal were never going to come to anfield and sit back with two banks of four so I would of liked to see a more attacking lineup but Rafa is cautious and I think he was so frightened of the arsenal counter attacks. It ended up with us playing on the counter.

We still played a defensive line-up at home. I hate to see that. That kind of stuff sends signals to the players - we're not as good as them. And we can be, if we're allowed. We got two of the best passers of the ball in the PL - Alonso and Gerrard - but they're being ignored by a negative manager.

Okay, so we might have been torn apart. But I'd rather die on my feet than on my knees.

by **Avi Cohen** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:27 pm

Will Arsenal and Man U be this cautious when we visit them? Doubt it.

by **ivor_the_injun** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:29 pm

We're not in form though, and it would have been suicide to expect to line up and go toe-to-toe with Arsenal today.

by **puroresu** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:31 pm

Avi Cohen wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Avi Cohen wrote:We played 4-5-1. At Anfield .

Don't know about you, but that sounds like Birmingham at Old Twatford to me.

We were up for it today and played better than we have done in weeks. The team played close together and not spread out all over the park. Saying that, Arsenal should have won it. Kuyt and Riise looked so off the mark today it wasn't funny. How many attacks broke down easily because of their ineptitude? I was a big defender of Kuyt but now he looks like Garcia minus the tricks.

4-5-1 with two strikers in midfield. At home I saw Kuyt and Vorinin way back in our own half far to often. I see what Rafa wanted to do but if u allow a side like Arsenal so much possession its only a matter of time before they cut u open.

Arsenal were never going to come to anfield and sit back with two banks of four so I would of liked to see a more attacking lineup but Rafa is cautious and I think he was so frightened of the arsenal counter attacks. It ended up with us playing on the counter.

We still played a defensive line-up at home. I hate to see that. That kind of stuff sends signals to the players - we're not as good as them. And we can be, if we're allowed. We got two of the best passers of the ball in the PL - Alonso and Gerrard - but they're being ignored by a negative manager.

Okay, so we might have been torn apart. But I'd rather die on my feet than on my knees.

He is negative and like you that frustrates me. U cant fault the workrate and effort and but I think we have to accept that the reason for so much work and effort is down to not having a side as good as arsenal. We are not miles off we just need some extra quality in the final 3rd, at full back and more importantly a more positive attacking mentality.

Even if our form was better I still doubt Rafa would send out a real attcking side v arsenal. His a negative coach.

by **Avi Cohen** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:34 pm

If we can't play our style of football at home, when can we play it? Of course, I'm taking awful liberties in assuming we have a style of football.

If we play 4-5-1 at home to top sides, we can be sure as shi.t we'll play the same when we travel. Arsenal is the team to beat, not contain. If we are to win the league, we can't play a cautious formation at home.

I know I'm a worse case scenario poster (It's my personality:() but if we play that formation against the big sides, we'll never be anything more than an also-ran and can get used to 4th/5th position.

Rafa needs to think about the damage we can do, not the damage they can do. All top sides think that way. And we won't be until we start thinking that way too.

by **Avi Cohen** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:37 pm

puroresu wrote:
Avi Cohen wrote:
puroresu wrote:
Avi Cohen wrote:We played 4-5-1. At Anfield .

Don't know about you, but that sounds like Birmingham at Old Twatford to me.

We were up for it today and played better than we have done in weeks. The team played close together and not spread out all over the park. Saying that, Arsenal should have won it. Kuyt and Riise looked so off the mark today it wasn't funny. How many attacks broke down easily because of their ineptitude? I was a big defender of Kuyt but now he looks like Garcia minus the tricks.

4-5-1 with two strikers in midfield. At home I saw Kuyt and Vorinin way back in our own half far to often. I see what Rafa wanted to do but if u allow a side like Arsenal so much possession its only a matter of time before they cut u open.

Arsenal were never going to come to anfield and sit back with two banks of four so I would of liked to see a more attacking lineup but Rafa is cautious and I think he was so frightened of the arsenal counter attacks. It ended up with us playing on the counter.

We still played a defensive line-up at home. I hate to see that. That kind of stuff sends signals to the players - we're not as good as them. And we can be, if we're allowed. We got two of the best passers of the ball in the PL - Alonso and Gerrard - but they're being ignored by a negative manager.

Okay, so we might have been torn apart. But I'd rather die on my feet than on my knees.

He is negative and like you that frustrates me. U cant fault the workrate and effort and but I think we have to accept that the reason for so much work and effort is down to not having a side as good as arsenal. We are not miles off we just need some extra quality in the final 3rd, at full back and more importantly a more positive attacking mentality.

Even if our form was better I still doubt Rafa would send out a real attcking side v arsenal. His a negative coach.

I can't fault the workrate. We're the hardest working team in the world when we don't have the ball and it makes me proud to support that team.

I just wish we'd work as hard - both downstairs and upstairs - when we have the ball.

by **metalhead** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:38 pm

Very entertaining game, and honestly its a fair result so really nothing to argue about.

Still some problems exist in us, I hope we can fix them.

Carragher was magnificant, deserved the MOTM award. Voronin, I'm afraid is not good enough and Kuyt looks so out of form.

Very unlucky for Torres and Alonso, I hope their injuries are not serious, I thought Alonso did well, he passed well and did his job. Gerrard was excellent, he is getting his form back which is a positive sign.

Kudos to Arsenal, they were immense in the 2nd half.

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