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by **Bubba** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:54 pm

Both players can still offer a lot to Liverpool but the competition for places, particularly in centre mid, is going to be fierce so they both need to work their socks off to earn their place in the team.

by **lio** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:42 am

Bubba wrote:Hey everybody. If it was Sissoko and Gerrard in the centre that would give Gerrard more freedom to rampage like we know he can whilst not having to worry about defending because Sissoko would be behind him.

Gotta agree though Sissoko gives the ball away far too often and isnt the greatest passer. I'd keep em both but if I had to choose i'd keep Sissoko.

Bubba wrote:Both players can still offer a lot to Liverpool but the competition for places, particularly in centre mid, is going to be fierce so they both need to work their socks off to earn their place in the team.

Hello !!

It's simple poll, who 'go no go'.
So for you our alonso goes, or not??
:suspect:

by **Kopboyau** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:18 pm

Alonso - Simply one of the best Defensive Central Midfielders going around - and yes passes alright to !!

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:41 am

Nando wrote:I had this discussion yesterday with my friend. We have at our disposal 4 world class midfielders, a luxury we have never had before. Each midfielder offers something different to the team. I think Mascherano has done enough since January to prove that he will be the holding midfielder for the majority of the next season and I think Rafa is going to deploy Gerrard in a more attacking central role.

So where does that leave Xabi Alonso and Momo Sissoko. Alonso is the more elegant of the two. His touch, vision and ability to pull off the passes surpasses Sissoko. But Momo's workrate and effort is on another level and he is purely there as an enforcer. His passing is really bad but with the right coaching all we need him to do is to be able to play simple 5 or 10 yard passes like makelele. We have shifted Gerrard onto the right wing to accomodate Alonso and it hasnt worked. Gerrards drive and ability to quicken the pace of the game is second to none. Sissoko has more potential than Alonso. We have seen the best of Xabi and know he isnt very mobile or dynamic so that cant be changed. Sissoko can learn to pass and I dread selling him to another European giant because I think there he could realise his potential and go on to become one of the best midfielders in Europe. We would lose out a lot more with Sissoko than we would Alonso.

Sorry mate, but you're so, so wrong.

Sissoko cannot "learn" to pass - it's a skill you either have naturally, or aquire at a very early age. Seeing as our Momo is now 22 and has the passing nous of a Cocker Spaniel, he's long past help in that respect. He will never be able to pass well consistently - you mark my words.

Besides that, his actual reading of the game is atrocious, he has the footballing brain of a Walnut Whip, and his vision (in footballing terms, of course) was sh*te before the boot to his eye, and seems to be even worse now.

To suggest that he will aspire to being a top-quality central midfielder is quite laughable, really. He possesses none of the attributes necessary for that position, save for an uncanny knack of intercepting passes and dispossessing opponents, together with high energy and stamina levels.

These are admirable and sought-after skills FROM a midfielder, but they alone do not MAKE a quality midfielder.

They make an athlete with a tackle.

Back on topic - I'm not even going to bother addressing the original question - my answer is obvious without reiteration.

by **Red H** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:03 am

Although the answer is obvious, I do feel for Momo. He is a young developing player, who if was given enough time has the potential to knock the rough edges off his game. XA & JM are far more the finished product, though I would like to see Xavi play furhter forward in order to have more influence on the attacking side of the Game and take the pressure of Stevie G. Its seems harsh that and possibly wasteful to let a player like this go, but I guess everyone has a value, and in the grand scheme of things it may be neccesarry to lose a battle in order to win a war.

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:15 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Sissoko cannot "learn" to pass - it's a skill you either have naturally, or aquire at a very early age. Seeing as our Momo is now 22 and has the passing nous of a Cocker Spaniel, he's long past help in that respect. He will never be able to pass well consistently - you mark my words.

Besides that, his actual reading of the game is atrocious, he has the footballing brain of a Walnut Whip, and his vision (in footballing terms, of course) was sh*te before the boot to his eye, and seems to be even worse now.

I agree with some of that, and in the other hand I think you're a bit harsh with him.

It's true that if you don't have the passing and certain things you'll hardly get those after you're 22.

I think he has been important in Liverpool, but if the overall quality is being upgraded (signings like Mascherano) I can't see him playing much.

Because Rafa said the only holding mid we have until Mascha arrives was ALonso, that Sissoko liked to go upper more. And he says this because Sissoko doesn't know reading well games, and doesn't position well himself when he hasn't the ball, and his choice of when to tackle and when to hold the player is not good enough to play the role of Alonso and Mascherano.

Should he had this, and a decent, just decent distribution, he'd be a holding midfielder of choice and might be a great player in the future. He's not great at those aerial balls coming from the keeper, and that kind of challenges are also important. But I think he'll just be a good-better than good player for a mid-big team, not a top team. He just lacks too many things to be a key player. He's a ball winner no doubt, but at this level I wouldn't have a player just because he's great at one thing, name it, set pieces, or ball winning.

He won't have a place because there will be the likes of Leiva, Gerrard, Mascherano and Gerrard in the middle. Rafa doesn't rate him as a hlding mid, and as a CM, he has atrocious competition.

Anyhow, Lando the fact that he's not good enough to have regular football in a reinforced Liverpool, doesn't mean I agree your adjectives to him, I do think he'll become a very good player. Some of the things you need for being a holding mid, can be learnt. Some are natural. That position is a position that when you see a good player in it, you think "what he's doing it's easy". But to spot everytime the correct decission is not easy. Great players makes the difficult things look easy, though.

by **karl84** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:40 pm

For this season i think we have mascherano, better tackler than momo [when he tackles its usually a yellow]
momo's passing is bad , he's a young lad but i'd keep him . gerrard in the centre with either momo or mascherano.
I dont think alonso's heart is in it look at the season he's had not good enough .
I think we should cash in alonso ' he's a good lad and all but you could do an awful lot with that dough.

dublin is forever red

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:48 pm

karl84 wrote:I dont think alonso's heart is in it look at the season he's had not good enough .
I think we should cash in alonso ' he's a good lad and all but you could do an awful lot with that dough.

dublin is forever red

Hence why he signed a new contract.

by **Penguins** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:06 pm

Sabre wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Sissoko cannot "learn" to pass - it's a skill you either have naturally, or aquire at a very early age. Seeing as our Momo is now 22 and has the passing nous of a Cocker Spaniel, he's long past help in that respect. He will never be able to pass well consistently - you mark my words.

Besides that, his actual reading of the game is atrocious, he has the footballing brain of a Walnut Whip, and his vision (in footballing terms, of course) was sh*te before the boot to his eye, and seems to be even worse now.

I agree with some of that, and in the other hand I think you're a bit harsh with him.

It's true that if you don't have the passing and certain things you'll hardly get those after you're 22.

I think he has been important in Liverpool, but if the overall quality is being upgraded (signings like Mascherano) I can't see him playing much.

Because Rafa said the only holding mid we have until Mascha arrives was ALonso, that Sissoko liked to go upper more. And he says this because Sissoko doesn't know reading well games, and doesn't position well himself when he hasn't the ball, and his choice of when to tackle and when to hold the player is not good enough to play the role of Alonso and Mascherano.

Should he had this, and a decent, just decent distribution, he'd be a holding midfielder of choice and might be a great player in the future. He's not great at those aerial balls coming from the keeper, and that kind of challenges are also important. But I think he'll just be a good-better than good player for a mid-big team, not a top team. He just lacks too many things to be a key player. He's a ball winner no doubt, but at this level I wouldn't have a player just because he's great at one thing, name it, set pieces, or ball winning.

He won't have a place because there will be the likes of Leiva, Gerrard, Mascherano and Gerrard in the middle. Rafa doesn't rate him as a hlding mid, and as a CM, he has atrocious competition.

Anyhow, Lando the fact that he's not good enough to have regular football in a reinforced Liverpool, doesn't mean I agree your adjectives to him, I do think he'll become a very good player. Some of the things you need for being a holding mid, can be learnt. Some are natural. That position is a position that when you see a good player in it, you think "what he's doing it's easy". But to spot everytime the correct decission is not easy. Great players makes the difficult things look easy, though.

I agree with what you said.
Nice post

by **RichardLFC1** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:55 pm

Ok now both have signed new contracts staying at the club. Another debate can be brought up. We have sooo many central midfeilders now. Gerrard Alonso Mascharano Sissoko Lucas leiva all in contention for those 2 central midfeild places.

Gerrard - Is our captian and i think his best position is in the centre of the park as he offers alot more and that is my opinion

Sissoko - Im not a big Fan of him to be honest. He does have some good games where he breaks alot of play up but for me he wont be in the 1st 2 places

Alonso - Cracking player i think. He didnt have a good season last season and people judged him for this. I still think he is an Excellent player and his passing is phoneminal

Mascharano - What a great player he was last year if we had him from the start i dont thnk i know we would have conceded less therefore may have put us higher up in the table. And The champions league final against Ac milan he was excellent really to Kaka out of the game

Lucas leiva - I havent really seen him play to be honest but im sure alot of you have and can give me an insight of how good he is.

For me my choice would be Gerrard and Mascharano. Gerrard gives us the attacking threat and with a player like Mascharano behind him it will give him the space he needs. Mascharano can stick to players taking them out of the game and Gerrard can assist with atatcks so i think them 2 would be a great partnership

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:04 pm

RichardLFC1 wrote:his passing is phoneminal

phoneminal

Phenomenal?

Christ some of you lot need a dictionary!

by **destro** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:05 pm

Its easier to use the spell check provided than look it up in a Dictionary, some people are so lazy

by **destro** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:08 pm

MASTER wrote:This is fairly simple right Xabi want's out

Maybe his English isn't to clever, but where does he indicate that he "wants out" ?

"I knew there was interest from other clubs but it was always my idea to stay here," said Alonso. "I have been here for three seasons now and have such special feelings for the club and the supporters. I understand what Liverpool FC means to so many people. It is such a special club and I just didn't want to leave.

"We agreed that the talks would take place after the Champions League final and, to be honest, in the end it was a simple decision for me because I could see right away that the attitude of the club towards me was spot on. I greatly appreciate all the hard work that Rick Parry has put in on this contract and the faith that Rafa Benitez has shown in me. We all wanted to reach an agreement and we're all happy with the outcome.

"I want to be part of what lies ahead because I know it is going to be exciting. I've signed for another five years and there's no reason why we can't be successful.

"It's also good news to see that other players have signed new contracts this week. Stevie, Carra and Pepe are all big players for us and it's great they have all shown their commitment. I'm sure the manager will be bringing in new players as well and that the new owners will be making a big effort to improve the squad."

by **LFC2007** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:10 pm

I can understand the yanks, Sabre and the other foreign fans, but bloody hell some of the spelling on here is abysmal!

How many times do you see there, they're and their in the wrong place?! The same with your and you're!

by **destro** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:15 pm

Rather have spelling mistakes than, i woz wonderin y ppl say he had a gr8 game wen all he did woz score a goal

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