Rafa is crazy - Says legend winger

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Postby joko » Fri May 04, 2007 8:52 am

looks like not working really well..

Heighway fumes at 'crazy' Benitez
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Former Liverpool academy coach Steve Heighway says manager Rafael Benitez's decision to assume control of the club's youth policy is "crazy".

Heighway left his job last week after 18 years in charge, following their FA Youth Cup win over Manchester United.

He told The Times: "Rafa is a terrific manager, but I think I'm the best coach of 17 and 18-year-old's in this club.

"But I no longer get the chance to do that. It's crazy, mad and it's to the detriment of the young players here."

Heighway, who oversaw the development of Michael Owen and Steven Gerrard, added: "If they are not working with the best coach of young players, then what is this football club doing?

"It's not an ego thing, but one thing I am absolutely sure about is that the best thing for the players is to be with me.

"My influence is being taken away too soon over the best players and I'm not convinced that what they are going to do is better for them.

"I would urge any football club to make sure the academy is not one of the areas the manager controls."
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri May 04, 2007 9:04 am

Bitter attack on BenÍtez takes shine off Liverpool’s victory
Alyson Rudd

Only days after Rafael BenÍtez led his team to a memorable Champions League semi-final victory over Chelsea at Anfield, Steve Heighway, the legendary Liverpool winger and head of the club’s highly successful academy, has attacked the Liverpool manager for his interference in the development of the club’s best young players.

Heighway labelled as “crazy” BenÍtez’s decision to bypass him and take control of some of the players who won the FA Youth Cup last week for a second successive season. After the dramatic final at Old Trafford, Heighway announced that he was leaving the academy after 19 years in which he groomed the talents of a host of players, including Steven Gerrard and Michael Owen.

There had been rumours that BenÍtez did not want Heighway to exert his traditional control over young stars, but Heighway waited until the cup final was over before making his decision to leave official.

The rot, for Heighway, set in when the club decided to appoint from outside the club and break with its famous boot-room tradition. Heighway fell out with Gérard Houllier, BenÍtez’s predecessor, but stood his ground with backing from the Liverpool board. Now, though, he has decided that it is best to step down, rather than fight his corner — especially because BenÍtez is proving a popular first-team coach.

Heighway said: “Rafa is a terrific manager, tactically astute with qualities I really admire, [but] in my view I’m the best coach of 17 and 18-year-old players in this club. But I no longer get the chance to do that. That’s crazy, that’s mad; it’s to the detriment of the young players at this club.”

According to Heighway, BenÍtez’s staff do not even spot who are the best players. Heighway argues that he has produced a crop of young players that could take on and beat any other youth team in the world but that BenÍtez is in danger of undermining their potential.

The Spaniard wants some of the players to leave the academy and join Liverpool’s reserve team, but Heighway argues that the reserve team at any club are a waste of time and talent and that his best players should either stay with him at the academy or go straight into the first team — as Michael Owen famously did.

The former winger, signed by Bill Shankly from nonLeague football, has urged the football community to engage in a serious debate about the damage being done to young players because of what he regards as outdated reserve-team football.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol....555.ece

Similar from the Times.

I had hoped that the offer of a new role at the club might have dissuaded Heighway from expressing his opinion, but obviously he feels very strongly that its a mistake.
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Postby Sabre » Fri May 04, 2007 9:13 am

I don't know Mr. Heighwey's methods at all. I know though he's served Liverpool FC a long time and he spotted some important players for us. But being a good "scout" doesn't mean you're a good coach.

Or even you can be a good coach and not be the correct one. What I mean is that most youth teams of important clubs at least here, try to play formations of the first team and try to assimilate their routines of work. If Mr. Heighway's book wasn't that way, that could be a problem. I do agree him that the manager shouldn't control the youth system, but at the same time, I think that the first team and lower categories team must have a coherence in their work plan.

Anyhow, I'm gutted. I think something went wrong, because you HAVE to take care and be careful with men that have served the club well. In that sense I would like to have heard better explanations of Rafa. In the other hand of the story, I don't like Heighway publishing his personal situation in this important moments. I see wrong in both sides.
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Postby joko » Fri May 04, 2007 9:25 am

i think steve should have had it sorted-out internally instead of shouting it out publicly
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Postby Rafa D » Fri May 04, 2007 10:19 am

Heighway should know better.

Maybe he's right but he's know this is not the right way to go about it.
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Postby redtrader74 » Fri May 04, 2007 10:42 am

I read the whole article last night and heighway spoke about the Liverpool way and principles, and coming out like this is certainly not that.

Its a shame they don't see eye to eye, but it has to be rafa's call. The youth players need to be ready to play in the same system as the senior squad.

Since Stevie G no one has come through and taken a place in the 1st team yet, and that is probably the ultimate result of a successful youth team.
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Postby Ace Ventura » Fri May 04, 2007 10:49 am

Rafa-Dodd wrote:Heighway should know better.

Maybe he's right but he's know this is not the right way to go about it.

I actually dont think he is right, it is only right that Rafa oversees the way the younsters and the acadamy is run. They need to be totally prepared for the first team squad if they are to make the breakthrough and for that to happen it is upto the manager to make sure they are training in the same sort of way as the first team.
When Arsenals reserves took the p!ss one thing was evident....they could come into the first team and fit in straight away. I am not sure what involvement Wenger has with them but one things for sure they are being prepared in the same way as the Arsenal first team squad play.
I am not convinced Heighway has the same ideas, playing style or tactics as Rafa, infact its pretty obvious he wont have so for the kids to come into the first team squad they are then playing in a totally different way, with systems etc.
Not slagging Heighway at all he has brought some top players through, but the kids need to be being prepared to make the next step and i feel Heighway has different ideas than Rafa.
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Postby stmichael » Fri May 04, 2007 11:17 am

Rafa isn't going to take over coaching of the kids, I don't think that is the issue. He will have control. As i see it the Academy is there to bring players through for the first team and the person who should control this is Rafa.

He and Heighway obviously have different views on how football should be played, but saying that he is maybe the only one who believes in pass and move is a bit insulting to Rafa and playing on his links to the great Liverpool of the past. I think Rafa is very much in the mould of past Liverpool managers, but he has his own way of doing things.
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Postby joko » Fri May 04, 2007 4:34 pm

sounds like the kids are in the right hands already

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Heighway: I turned down chance to manage Liverpool
Alyson Rudd

Steve Heighway, the head of Liverpool's highly successful academy who is leaving the set-up after 19 years, says that he has been formally asked to take over the management of the club but was not tempted. “I was asked several times by Peter Robinson, the previous club secretary, if I would be interested in managing the club. I said straight away no. The players would have got fed up with me pretty quickly because I am pretty obsessive. The challenge would have been to be like that and get the respect. I have had the opportunity, but I don’t think I would have been able to have slept at night after a bad result. It would have mattered so much to me. I don't think I would have been able to retain my health because I am pretty obsessive about what I do.”

Heighway's loyalty is remarkable. He always maintained that he would never join another British team after Liverpool and he did not, choosing to move to the United States when he was no longer a first-team regular Anfield.

“My definition of being a professional footballer was being a Liverpool professional footballer," he said. "The same goes for being an academy manager. So if Chelsea come along and offer me £1 million a year to run their academy it wouldn’t mean anything to me. I’m not a professional, I’m a Liverpool employee. I work for Liverpool.”

Not surprisingly, it was the Anfield roar and Bill Shankly that forged that loyalty. Heighway believes that the unique quality of the club is under threat, but “I’m not sure how important that is any more. We now have new owners, a new manager and Spanish members of staff. I’m not being critical of any of this - change has to happen and maybe their values will be different and better, who knows?
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"I’m not against this change. If we won the Premier League, I don’t think the fans will be saying, ’Are we playing the football that Shanks would have liked?’ Shanks was inspirational, public, said outrageous things.”

And because Shankly was larger life, when he left, the players felt insecure because they wondered if he was behind it all, not them. When, in the FA Youth Cup final last month, Liverpool were 1-0 down against Manchester United at Old Trafford, some of the young players “wanted to go hell for leather” to grab a goal, but Heighway took a leaf from the Shankly manual and told them, as Shankly had told him, to do the same things when you are losing as when you are winning.

Shankly’s departure in 1974, after 15 years in charge, rocked the players and Heighway played a key role in preventing them from falling apart when Bob Paisley was appointed.

“Bob Paisley was totally different," Heighway said. "When he first took over, the players wondered how he was going to cope because he just seemed to be lacking confidence. I called a team meeting. I wasn’t the captain, but in many ways I was the one who kept the players together. I said, 'Look, if we don’t support Bob everything is going to fall apart here.' His team talks were hopeless initially. In the early days it was, ’Jesus Christ, we’re going to have to do this.’ He really didn’t know what to do in the early stages, but he had great players. The great teams do it themselves a lot of the time and we were a well-oiled machine.

"The first thing Bob said to us was, 'I didn’t want the job, but I’ve got the job. I didn’t want the bloody thing, but they’ve given it to me.' That was the first team meeting, with Shanks walking up and down the corridor outside, so it was all very strange.”

Whenever I watched Heighway in action I always wondered why he did not celebrate his goals. Was he too clever? Too aloof? It turns out he was simply embarrassed. So how does he cope when the Kop sing Fields of Anfield Road and the line “Stevie Heighway on the wing, we had dreams and songs to sing."

“I feel very privileged," he said. "I’ve been very lucky. I go into a daze sometimes wondering 'why me?' because I never considered myself a great player. I considered myself a good player surrounded by great players. A lot of great players helped me to have a career. It’s a humbling experience, very weird. I feel very self-conscious about it and I look to see who is sitting next to me. I’ve never been given a hard time here. I wasn’t the most confident of players and people, and I think if I had ever received stick off the crowd it would have damaged me. I feel very grateful that, through 11 years as a player, I was never singled out either here or away from home.

“I’m an anomaly. I can play cricket in front of ten people and be scared, but then I could play in front of 100,000 at Wembley no problem. I always took my strength from the team. It was like being in a cocoon, free from criticism, free from stress.

“I’m nobody’s blueprint of a typical Liverpool player, I’ve never had a fight in my life. I would never kick anybody, but I always desperately wanted to win. And I had to learn to give up some of my own individuality and learn to be a team player. I’m about relationships and I don’t think a lot of other managers are. I think they are frightened of relationships because they know they will have to drop players or get rid of them. My job can only work if you do develop a relationship, an unbelievable trust with a player where you can be tough and hard but the players trust you for life. It’s like being a parent.”

The toughest part of his job is telling youngsters that he has to let them go, which can kill their dreams. But he says that because they have been nurtured properly, “they always come back and thank you for what you have done. Twenty-five, 30 years ago there wasn’t seen to be a need for a youth programme. They just believed players would emerge from kicking a football around in the street, that there would just be this constant flow of great players. We had to persuade people that young players have a talent and potential, but then they have to have that nurtured.

"I’m always really chuffed when I hear Michael Owen speak or Jamie [Carragher] speak or Stevie G [Steven Gerrard] speak or Robbie Fowler - they all say they are so grateful for the nurturing process that we did here. None of them say we made them players, but I don’t say we made them players either - but we played a massive role in their lives.”

The key to his success, he said, is that he did not use his job with the youth team to plot a career move, whereas youth-team coaches traditionally had an eye on becoming the reserve-team coach and then the first-team manager.

“I will admit we [the academy staff] were fairly resistant to the idea of the influx of young foreign players because we were protective of the need for young kids to grow up on Merseyside or the extended area knowing that if they support Liverpool, there is a chance they could play for Liverpool. We’ve always believed that - from me, through the chairman, through the chief executive. We have always believed there is uniqueness about developing a boy who has come from this area, has come into the club young and then ends up playing for this club. That is an amazingly unique situation. We believe that when you come to the crunch, with two top clubs playing in the Champions League, this club has a bunch of boys who were born half an hour from the stadium whose families just love the club, that when it comes to the final crunch you will see that difference.

"And maybe the Champions League final in Istanbul would be a classic example where people are fighting for their lives rather than just fighting to win a game. So we’ve always protected that process as a priority, so I will admit we were a bit perhaps slow to come round to the view that it has to be augmented with some foreign young players as well.

“There will always be a bias. If you’ve got a foreign manager I think there will always be a bias towards players that they brought in. What matters is that the best players in a club get the chance wherever they are from, that’s the way it should be.

“I’ve only ever known two players that I knew would make it. One was Michael [Owen] and one was Steven [Gerrard]. At 16 you never know. At 18 or 19 it’s a little bit easier. I know we’ve got some very good players, but we won’t know how good until they get a chance and most of them won’t get a chance. There are 26 first-team squad players, most of them are internationals, then there are 18 reserve-squad players and then there is our lot. It’s an indictment of English football, but that’s the way it is.”

He says the academy system has reached a log jam and the Champions League is partly to blame. “It is great for the fans, but I don’t think it has helped the development of young players because when can a manager take a risk with a young player? When does he throw him into the first team? When can he do it? He can’t throw him into the league because they are playing for Champions League places, he can’t throw him into the Champions League. The League Cup has become the only place where occasionally somebody gets bunged in, to be given a chance.

“The great players will always be obvious selections. A Gerrard, a Rooney, a Lampard or a Terry, it's easy with those - no manager can deny their talent. I remember when Michael Owen was coming through, I was telling the first-team staff about this fantastic 16-year-old, but they really weren’t interested particularly. But then they saw him play in the Youth Cup and I remember sitting behind Ronnie Moran and he couldn’t believe what he was seeing and then six months later he was in the first team.

"It was just so obvious, it just had to happen. But not all talents are that obvious. In fact, very few are. Defenders are never that obvious because they have a different set of skills, a different talent. Michael Owen had blistering speed, so it was obvious."
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Postby tubby » Fri May 04, 2007 5:25 pm

I thought Steve was going to stay on at the club and assume a different role. I take it by making these comments he will be leaving the club altogether?
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Postby account deleted by request » Fri May 04, 2007 5:45 pm

I just hope it doesnt all end in acrimony. Stevie was too good a player, coach and gentleman for it to end this way. For almost 40 years he has hardly spoken to the press and certainly never said a bad word about anyone that I have ever read. I understand his frustrations but this is not the way to relieve them. Everyone knows what a great job he's done throughout his career, now is not the time to ruin the image he has built up.

A great player, and would have made a great manager but more importantly a great gentleman too.
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Fri May 04, 2007 7:27 pm

I am certainly never going to slate any member from this clubs most illustrious days i.e. Steve Heighway, but the comments about Rafa really do have the slightest whiff of sour grapes about them (if true).

Heighway's comments in the looooooonnnngggg :D article JOKO posted towards the end about the struggle to find the right time to introduce young players in the current football climate are spot on. However like ST.MICK said the academy's job is to produce players to come through into the first team and Rafa should have some control over this. I posted these exact sentiments the other week and it seems only right that the 1st team manager is able to influence the way the youngsters are moulded. When they are trying to break into the 1st team they will find it easier to adapt and understand the managers playing philosophy if they've been taught it from an early age.

I would have to say that the time may have come for a change in the way the academy is run anyway. When you look at the names of the players mentioned in the article that have come through the youth ranks and you see that the last major break through was Stevie G something obviously hasn't been working. I might get slated for saying this, especially after the success of the youth team in their FA Cup over the past two years, but maybe it was time for Steve Heighway to step aside for a fresh approach.
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Postby red37 » Fri May 04, 2007 8:01 pm

I think Rafa wants to get his two-pennorth worth of this often mentioned 'mentality' into his future players minds. This is relevant to the marketplace currently...there may be many, many diamonds out there. But they cost big money. This way, he ensures at the least, he has a say in how some (perhaps as few as 3 or 4) actually make the grade to his level of requirement. Technically, physically and pretty much every other area of their development would be considered under Heighways remit...with the exception of 'His' own style. There is the conflicting issue, for me.

But this special 'mentality' that Rafa takes great pains to explain as being fundamental and critical along with all the other key attributes required to nurture a talent through the system 'effectively' and with sufficient results to call it a successful learning curve. Could just as easily be developed under the existing set up? surely?

I feel Heighway has a valid grievance, certainly. But on the eve of another historic achievement for the club (and it will remain, his club despite the turbulent fashion in which his tenure is about to cease). It is not prudent for him to air these views in public. Perhaps he is desperate to cling onto some modicum of 'face' from all this. On the surface, it does indeed look like one great big, giant snub to Heighway..for both his services and his motives behind that period of time he has spent tending his charges. On the other hand, it is the first team manager who will directly benefit from this increased activity down the lower order. Lets face it, since when did we have a decent crop come up from the youth system?  Answer - The 90's.

Benitez, is perhaps accustomed to this 'role' during his time on the continent. If he is comfortable with it, and if it yields success...who will grumble? 

Well, Steve Heighway might have cause to, for one.

Then again. if it is in the interests of this club (and it simply cannot be anything other than that). Then progress and the passage of time will tell whether or not the 'gamble' was justified. Biting off more than you can chew though........ ???
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Postby Redstavro » Fri May 04, 2007 11:01 pm

gary mac gary mac gary gary mac hes got know hair  be we dont care gary gary mac.
life goes on and so does LIVERPOOL fc. thanks Stevie
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Postby parchpea » Fri May 04, 2007 11:50 pm

Heighway has produced good young players through the ranks over the years but not so much under Benitez reign.

In recent times there has been nothing breaking into the first team and this has probably culminated in Rafa making a difficult decision about the youth setup.

Winning the youth cup is all well and good but these players need to be pressing for first team action down the lines but lately have not made that step up.

I doubt that Rafa will be running the youth team himself but more likely he is paving way for younger man to take the post.
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