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LFC #1 wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Owen wasn't at his best at 17. He was at his best when he was 21, the year he scored the hat-trick against Germany.

Agger isn't at his best now, how can he be? This will be his first full season. Agger has all the assets the be one of the best centre-backs in the world. He's good in the air, his distribution is good, he has a cracking shot and scores. For his age he is miles apart from most of his peers. All the potential for greatness in my opinion.

Having a good shot isn't an attribute you'd immediately look for in a centre-half, but it's a nice addition for sure. He also looks good on the ball when coming forward. His distribution is good, but could be better. I think his ability on the ball actually gives people the impression his distribution is better than it actually is. It's good, but he still looks for a long ball when there is a better option available short on occasions. I'd say his distribution is definitley the best of our 3 centre halves though (Carra, Sami and himself).

That being said howver, his reading of the game is still only decent and he does lose concentration and is a little too nonchalant for my liking sometimes. In this area of the game, like Stu said he'll never reach Sami's level IMO.

He's been a good signing and is definitley first team material, but could we improve on him? probably. I still think as soon as Sami goes another top quality centre half is a must as Paletta is one I'm not sure about either.   

Overall I still think Stu is being a little harsh on him.

LFC #1 wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Owen wasn't at his best at 17. He was at his best when he was 21, the year he scored the hat-trick against Germany.

Agger isn't at his best now, how can he be? This will be his first full season. Agger has all the assets the be one of the best centre-backs in the world. He's good in the air, his distribution is good, he has a cracking shot and scores. For his age he is miles apart from most of his peers. All the potential for greatness in my opinion.

Having a good shot isn't an attribute you'd immediately look for in a centre-half, but it's a nice addition for sure. He also looks good on the ball when coming forward. His distribution is good, but could be better. I think his ability on the ball actually gives people the impression his distribution is better than it actually is. It's good, but he still looks for a long ball when there is a better option available short on occasions. I'd say his distribution is definitley the best of our 3 centre halves though (Carra, Sami and himself).

That being said howver, his reading of the game is still only decent and he does lose concentration and is a little too nonchalant for my liking sometimes. In this area of the game, like Stu said he'll never reach Sami's level IMO.

He's been a good signing and is definitley first team material, but could we improve on him? probably. I still think as soon as Sami goes another top quality centre half is a must as Paletta is one I'm not sure about either.   

Overall I still think Stu is being a little harsh on him.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

LFC #1 wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Owen wasn't at his best at 17. He was at his best when he was 21, the year he scored the hat-trick against Germany.

Agger isn't at his best now, how can he be? This will be his first full season. Agger has all the assets the be one of the best centre-backs in the world. He's good in the air, his distribution is good, he has a cracking shot and scores. For his age he is miles apart from most of his peers. All the potential for greatness in my opinion.

Having a good shot isn't an attribute you'd immediately look for in a centre-half, but it's a nice addition for sure. He also looks good on the ball when coming forward. His distribution is good, but could be better. I think his ability on the ball actually gives people the impression his distribution is better than it actually is. It's good, but he still looks for a long ball when there is a better option available short on occasions. I'd say his distribution is definitley the best of our 3 centre halves though (Carra, Sami and himself).

That being said howver, his reading of the game is still only decent and he does lose concentration and is a little too nonchalant for my liking sometimes. In this area of the game, like Stu said he'll never reach Sami's level IMO.

He's been a good signing and is definitley first team material, but could we improve on him? probably. I still think as soon as Sami goes another top quality centre half is a must as Paletta is one I'm not sure about either.   

Overall I still think Stu is being a little harsh on him.

I see what you mean. But considering he came from the Danish league straight to the Premiership I think he has adapted well. And considering his age he's an asset to the club.

Can't remember who said it in a previous post but I tend to agree that defenders improve with age. I'm sure over time the flaws in his game will be ironed out.

In no way do I think he's a world beater but did anyone think Sami Hyypia was when we first brought him? Hopefully Agger will convince the masses too.

grayghost wrote:Yes we all agree that Big Sami was a great player for us at that time but if we give Agger the time he needs he can fill his boots maybe not as comanding as Sami but his reading of the game will improve and he will mature into a top class player given time

You mean like Sissoko? Stop chatting rubbish. No-one even replies to anything you say lad.  

Stu.Murph wrote:

grayghost wrote:Yes we all agree that Big Sami was a great player for us at that time but if we give Agger the time he needs he can fill his boots maybe not as comanding as Sami but his reading of the game will improve and he will mature into a top class player given time

You mean like Sissoko? Stop chatting rubbish. No-one even replies to anything you say lad.  

You have just replied you idoit.     

grayghost wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

grayghost wrote:Yes we all agree that Big Sami was a great player for us at that time but if we give Agger the time he needs he can fill his boots maybe not as comanding as Sami but his reading of the game will improve and he will mature into a top class player given time

You mean like Sissoko? Stop chatting rubbish. No-one even replies to anything you say lad.  

You have just replied you idoit.     

Bamaga man wrote:This is another debate worth debating.

Agger eptomises the modern day center-half for me as he's very good on the ball, he likes to more often than not play the ball out of defence, and at the same time he's not a bad defender. He does have the attributes to get better with time, how much better I dont know, but it could be considerably. Its a known fact that a Center half does get better with age.

In that time, I'd like to see him take all of Hyypia's strenghts, like positioning, reading of the game, knowing when to challenge for a high ball and went to step back a yard. He was at times to close to Drogba the other night. Also he does need to improve on heading the ball, and being more of a hard b.astard at the back. He does seem slightly light weight and could do with a bit of weight on top.
Like I said his technical abilities on the ball are good, its being a defender where he has a fair bit of room to improve.

I think he's coped well all season and against all different strikers, the only one I can think of who he did struggle against was Drogba. But thats not bad for a young lad not atall, Carra often has a nightmare against Henry, so there will always be one or two strikers out there on their day who will give any defender a run for their money. But all in all I think we could stick with Agger again next season, I think he's proved more oftern than not to be capable and like its been said he'll get much better with age.

Thats not to say we couldnt look for another Center-half I doubt Hyypia will be around for ever to lend sufficent cover. He may retire after next season I dont know, but now wouldnt be a bad time to prepare for it.

LFC #1 wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:This is another debate worth debating.

Agger eptomises the modern day center-half for me as he's very good on the ball, he likes to more often than not play the ball out of defence, and at the same time he's not a bad defender. He does have the attributes to get better with time, how much better I dont know, but it could be considerably. Its a known fact that a Center half does get better with age.

In that time, I'd like to see him take all of Hyypia's strenghts, like positioning, reading of the game, knowing when to challenge for a high ball and went to step back a yard. He was at times to close to Drogba the other night. Also he does need to improve on heading the ball, and being more of a hard b.astard at the back. He does seem slightly light weight and could do with a bit of weight on top.
Like I said his technical abilities on the ball are good, its being a defender where he has a fair bit of room to improve.

I think he's coped well all season and against all different strikers, the only one I can think of who he did struggle against was Drogba. But thats not bad for a young lad not atall, Carra often has a nightmare against Henry, so there will always be one or two strikers out there on their day who will give any defender a run for their money. But all in all I think we could stick with Agger again next season, I think he's proved more oftern than not to be capable and like its been said he'll get much better with age.

Thats not to say we couldnt look for another Center-half I doubt Hyypia will be around for ever to lend sufficent cover. He may retire after next season I dont know, but now wouldnt be a bad time to prepare for it.

Reaosnable assessment of the lad.

As for the centre-half issue, we definitley need another one IMO. Agger, Carra and an ageing Hyypia for all competitons next season is not enough and Paletta is not good neough to even be 4th choice.

Woodgate would've been ideal but now we need to look elsewhere. It's definitely a priority area for me, along with left wing and up front.

Bamaga man wrote:This is another debate worth debating.

Agger eptomises the modern day center-half for me as he's very good on the ball, he likes to more often than not play the ball out of defence, and at the same time he's not a bad defender. He does have the attributes to get better with time, how much better I dont know, but it could be considerably. Its a known fact that a Center half does get better with age.

In that time, I'd like to see him take all of Hyypia's strenghts, like positioning, reading of the game, knowing when to challenge for a high ball and went to step back a yard. He was at times to close to Drogba the other night. Also he does need to improve on heading the ball, and being more of a hard b.astard at the back. He does seem slightly light weight and could do with a bit of weight on top.
Like I said his technical abilities on the ball are good, its being a defender where he has a fair bit of room to improve.

I think he's coped well all season and against all different strikers, the only one I can think of who he did struggle against was Drogba. But thats not bad for a young lad not atall, Carra often has a nightmare against Henry, so there will always be one or two strikers out there on their day who will give any defender a run for their money. But all in all I think we could stick with Agger again next season, I think he's proved more oftern than not to be capable and like its been said he'll get much better with age.

Thats not to say we couldnt look for another Center-half I doubt Hyypia will be around for ever to lend sufficent cover. He may retire after next season I dont know, but now wouldnt be a bad time to prepare for it.

7_Kewell wrote:

LFC #1 wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:This is another debate worth debating.

Agger eptomises the modern day center-half for me as he's very good on the ball, he likes to more often than not play the ball out of defence, and at the same time he's not a bad defender. He does have the attributes to get better with time, how much better I dont know, but it could be considerably. Its a known fact that a Center half does get better with age.

In that time, I'd like to see him take all of Hyypia's strenghts, like positioning, reading of the game, knowing when to challenge for a high ball and went to step back a yard. He was at times to close to Drogba the other night. Also he does need to improve on heading the ball, and being more of a hard b.astard at the back. He does seem slightly light weight and could do with a bit of weight on top.
Like I said his technical abilities on the ball are good, its being a defender where he has a fair bit of room to improve.

I think he's coped well all season and against all different strikers, the only one I can think of who he did struggle against was Drogba. But thats not bad for a young lad not atall, Carra often has a nightmare against Henry, so there will always be one or two strikers out there on their day who will give any defender a run for their money. But all in all I think we could stick with Agger again next season, I think he's proved more oftern than not to be capable and like its been said he'll get much better with age.

Thats not to say we couldnt look for another Center-half I doubt Hyypia will be around for ever to lend sufficent cover. He may retire after next season I dont know, but now wouldnt be a bad time to prepare for it.

Reaosnable assessment of the lad.

As for the centre-half issue, we definitley need another one IMO. Agger, Carra and an ageing Hyypia for all competitons next season is not enough and Paletta is not good neough to even be 4th choice.

Woodgate would've been ideal but now we need to look elsewhere. It's definitely a priority area for me, along with left wing and up front.

Upson?  He'll be avilable in the summer with a buy out clause if West Ham go down.

Stu.Murph wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

LFC #1 wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:This is another debate worth debating.

Agger eptomises the modern day center-half for me as he's very good on the ball, he likes to more often than not play the ball out of defence, and at the same time he's not a bad defender. He does have the attributes to get better with time, how much better I dont know, but it could be considerably. Its a known fact that a Center half does get better with age.

In that time, I'd like to see him take all of Hyypia's strenghts, like positioning, reading of the game, knowing when to challenge for a high ball and went to step back a yard. He was at times to close to Drogba the other night. Also he does need to improve on heading the ball, and being more of a hard b.astard at the back. He does seem slightly light weight and could do with a bit of weight on top.
Like I said his technical abilities on the ball are good, its being a defender where he has a fair bit of room to improve.

I think he's coped well all season and against all different strikers, the only one I can think of who he did struggle against was Drogba. But thats not bad for a young lad not atall, Carra often has a nightmare against Henry, so there will always be one or two strikers out there on their day who will give any defender a run for their money. But all in all I think we could stick with Agger again next season, I think he's proved more oftern than not to be capable and like its been said he'll get much better with age.

Thats not to say we couldnt look for another Center-half I doubt Hyypia will be around for ever to lend sufficent cover. He may retire after next season I dont know, but now wouldnt be a bad time to prepare for it.

Reaosnable assessment of the lad.

As for the centre-half issue, we definitley need another one IMO. Agger, Carra and an ageing Hyypia for all competitons next season is not enough and Paletta is not good neough to even be 4th choice.

Woodgate would've been ideal but now we need to look elsewhere. It's definitely a priority area for me, along with left wing and up front.

Upson?  He'll be avilable in the summer with a buy out clause if West Ham go down.