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[jaytoothetee]

really can't believe people would suggest that robbie should never play for us again. i think stu is letting his heart rule his head when he says that robbie could do a job next season, but has to play AT LEAST in the charlton game. if i was fortunate enough to be at anfield on the day, i for one would cheer his every touch of the ball, and i'm certain that grown men will be reduced to tears when he leaves. dawson, when you compare without a doubt one of liverpool's top 10 (if not top 5)  strikers of all time to bruno tosswad cheyrou it's just ridiculous. you make yourself look a right fu.cking muppet sometimes.

robbie has been mistreated by rafa this season, and isn't apparently appreciated by some of our fans . the least we can do is see him play for one last time and say a fond farewell to one of the true legends of liverpool fc.

GOD, YNWA

[Stu.Murph]

really can't believe people would suggest that robbie should never play for us again. i think stu is letting his heart rule his head when he says that robbie could do a job next season, but has to play AT LEAST in the charlton game. if i was fortunate enough to be at anfield on the day, i for one would cheer his every touch of the ball, and i'm certain that grown men will be reduced to tears when he leaves. dawson, when you compare without a doubt one of liverpool's top 10 (if not top 5)  strikers of all time to bruno tosswad cheyrou it's just ridiculous. you make yourself look a right fu.cking muppet sometimes.

robbie has been mistreated by rafa this season, and isn't apparently appreciated by some of our fans . the least we can do is see him play for one last time and say a fond farewell to one of the true legends of liverpool fc.

GOD, YNWA

Good post.



   

[Gerrard30391]

Lets be honest, Robbie in his growing years has lost any pace, and im afraid, in the premiership you can't have a striker that can finish but can't get into goal scoring positions due to his pace. Yes, he's done wonders for the club, and yes he should get a good send off.
All i can say is, what's going to happen when stevie g plays his last year and some younger midfielders are keeping him on the bench? Are you going to shoot the manager. I highly doubt it. So lets face it Rafa is going to play the squad thats got us in to 3rd spot.

[jaytoothetee]

Lets be honest, Robbie in his growing years has lost any pace, and im afraid, in the premiership you can't have a striker that can finish but can't get into goal scoring positions due to his pace. Yes, he's done wonders for the club, and yes he should get a good send off.
All i can say is, what's going to happen when stevie g plays his last year and some younger midfielders are keeping him on the bench? Are you going to shoot the manager. I highly doubt it. So lets face it Rafa is going to play the squad thats got us in to 3rd spot.

ffs, there is no difference between 3rd and 4th. if the question was 2nd or 3rd, then it would actually mean something. it would mean no qualification round for the cl, and it would make stu's hypothetical question a lot harder to answer for some. but for me, the answer would still be play fowler. can anyone honestly say that he weakens the side that much so we couldn't beat charlton etc etc. but as for 3rd or 4th, i really couldn't give a toss where we finish if it means that robbie gets a final couple of games (and goals!!) under his belt for the reds. ffs, the only difference is about £500k, means fu.ck all, and we've pretty much got 3rd wrapped up by now anyway. like anyone with any sense has already said, he is a TRUE legend, and it will mean a lot to the real fans to see him play again. and of course to the man himself -





   

[red37]

famousmales.com      that sounds a bit iffy that one jay

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famousmales.com      that sounds a bit iffy that one jay

[jaytoothetee]

famousmales.com      that sounds a bit iffy that one jay

umm... err, i can explain that. just as soon as i get back, i left the kettle on at home 

[red37]

famousmales.com      that sounds a bit iffy that one jay

umm... err, i can explain that. just as soon as i get back, i left the kettle on at home 

dont be whistlin dixie on us now. Get that brew on. 

[Owzat]

Its not even worth discussing football with you as you've proved many times in the past, when challenged by myself, Ivor, Scottbot, Ace Ventura and just about everyone else with an ounce of knowledge you don't have valid reasons or opinions for thinking the way you do.

I'll quote myself again 7_Kewell...

The only arguements you've ever came up with is "Nigel Worthington thinks you are wrong", "nobody agrees with you" and "he looked knackered" you could tell by the look on his face".

Do you know what? I disagree with anyone who says Lampard's world class or the second best player in the world as he was voted by the majority...

Again, I put it to you to provide an arguement and I'm challenging you to debate and reason why you think the way you do... You're next post on the matter will either be to try and mock your way out of it or you'll say theres no debating anything with me simply because of you're lack of knowledge, you do your best to mock my posts and knowledge of the game, so lets see yours...

I'm holding my breath in anticipation...

stu..he cannot play 90 mins of football.  Shouldn't that be enough?  Or perhaps his display against PSV...again that is enough for most.  Or perhaps he hasn't scored ANY goals from open play in the league?  nope?  Well i guess the basic reasoning is he's not good enough to get in the side...that''s what rafa has decided and that's good enough for me.

Look at your poll stu...you're just embarressing yourself (again)

If he gets less than 30 minutes per appearance on average how do you expect him to score from open play?!?!? I've done the analysis of goals scored vs time on the pitch and it's no surprise that when he plays 80+ minutes he scores goals.

If I remember I'll show you the breakdown, he played 90 mins vs Galatasaray and scored twice from open play in a shambolic defensive display. Worst comes to worst and he breaks down because he can't last 90 mins then he leaves and we're no worse off than we are now

I forwarded these to work this morning

Fowler record by mins played since his return

0-9 mins

Appearances 7
Mins 34
Goals 1
Goals/App 0.143
Mins/Goal 34

10-29 mins

Appearances 7
Mins 145
Goals 0
Goals/App 0.000
Mins/Goal n/a

30-59 mins

Appearances 2
Mins 61
Goals 0
Goals/App 0.000
Mins/Goal n/a

60-79 mins

Appearances 11
Mins 762
Goals 4
Goals/App 0.364
Mins/Goal 191

80-89 mins

Appearances 2
Mins 164
Goals 2
Goals/App 1.000
Mins/Goal 82

90 mins

Appearances 4
Mins 360
Goals 6
Goals/App 1.500
Mins/Goal 60

If Fowler spends 60+ minutes on the pitch he is much more productive than if he spends less time on the pitch. He's only played 1526 mins in 33 appearances which works out a mere 46 mins per appearance. It is much lower this season

60-90 mins

Appearances 17
Mins 1286
Goals 12
Goals/App 0.706
Mins/Goal 107

Average time on pitch : 76 mins

0-39 mins

Appearances 16
Mins 240
Goals 1
Goals/App 0.063
Mins/Goal 240

Average time on pitch : 15 mins

Quite a stark contrast and shows there's little point playing him as a sub. Play him from the start or be extremely mean to one of our best strikers in over a decade.

And he'll never get or look match fit if he barely gets a game

[Sabre]

Owzat, I'm (for one) very grateful to your stats, I think it's a valuable contribution, keep that!!

But as much as I value stats, those must be read with care. In football it's not the same to have 30 mins, in which you're holding a 1-0, or to have 7 appearances in a row, or shattered through out the season.

Stats are indeed a ver useful tool. But they must be used with care. As I think Churchill said once (I read it in Spanish), "I only trust the stats I handle myself" .

[KennyisGod....still]

Stats prove nothin unfortunately. Owen's stats were phenomenal in Spain when it came to goals/minutes on the pitch, but I see no clamour to try and get him back now he's proven injury prone....
Robbie WAS a genius, and in his head he probably still is, but the truth is he aint got the pace and body strength to back it up.
Rafa aint misued him this season, he's picked a side he thought would win games - somethin he's paid handsomely to do. If for one minute Rafa thought Robbie was the key to unlockin defences then he'd be first striker on the teamsheet, but face it, those days are long gone. Any1 that voted for Robbie to play the last few games, think on this.... he plays but does very little, we finish fourth and wind up playin extra games to qualify for the ECL proper. Games that are potential banana skins, regardless of opponents, due to bein very early in pre-season start up. How's that gonna go down as his legacy?
I was ecstatic the day he came back, and yes, its still amazin just to see him on the pitch, but the team comes first. I hope we get to guarantee third asap and then maybe he'll get that last full game at Anfield, when win/lose/draw won't mean anythin position wise, but otherwise, sorry Robbie, you'll never be forgotten regardless of this seasons lack of appearances.

One other thing.....we qualify for the ECL Final, do we really wanna be upsettin a winnin team with Athens on the horizon? And NOBODY could be truthfully thinikin Robbie would start on May 23rd.........?

[Red_Freak]

I don't see any harm in giving Robbie the last few Premiership Games. When you think about it, he has scored in pretty much every game he's played this season!

penalty against Sheff Utd.

a brace against Galatasaray (AWAY)

a goal, a slick one at that, against Arsenal in the League Cup (or was it the FA Cup?)

a brace against Sheff Utd.

Robbie definitely deserves a proper send off. The way some people are talking you'd swear if we played him we'd definitely lose!

[KennyisGod....still]

We wudn definately lose, but at a critcal stage of the season where we cud make a difference to the start of next season why risk a potentially weakened side?
Robbie's scored, but look at what he's scored against...... Sheffield Utd? Not the best I think you'd agree. Arsenal reserves? Galatasary? Not exactly the 'force' they used to be.
Let's secure 3rd, and think about restin players before a possible ECL Final and play Robbie then.

[Stu.Murph]

We wudn definately lose, but at a critcal stage of the season where we cud make a difference to the start of next season why risk a potentially weakened side?
Robbie's scored, but look at what he's scored against...... Sheffield Utd? Not the best I think you'd agree. Arsenal reserves? Galatasary? Not exactly the 'force' they used to be.
Let's secure 3rd, and think about restin players before a possible ECL Final and play Robbie then.

As for him scoring against "Arsenal reserves" try looking at Arsenals defence in that game. He beat Kolo Toure (one of the best around) to the ball at the near post which he flicked in.

The fact is last season he scored 5 FIRST GOALS which is always the most important goal, he was also one of our best players towards the end of that season, don't sit there and say to me he had it last season but lost it this season.

3rd doesn't make any difference over fourth lad. Thats the point. To be quite honest first is first, second is nowhere, so whats the point in 3rd and 4th?

Typical clueless post again.

Fowler is a good player still, pace isn't everything, never has been, never will be.

[Red_Freak]

Even if it was average opposition, Fowler is still only one out of 10 outfield players. It won't all rest on his shoulders. And it's not as if we have real "tough" opposition in the Premiership left, is it now?