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[Ace Ventura]

Cant be bothered starting a thread on this rumour but me mate in work reckons someone who works at melwood has leaked it that Fowler has already agreed to sign for Rangers next season..thats Glasgow not Queens park.
No source, just the Liverpool city rumour grapevine 

[KennyisGod....still]

We wudn definately lose, but at a critcal stage of the season where we cud make a difference to the start of next season why risk a potentially weakened side?
Robbie's scored, but look at what he's scored against...... Sheffield Utd? Not the best I think you'd agree. Arsenal reserves? Galatasary? Not exactly the 'force' they used to be.
Let's secure 3rd, and think about restin players before a possible ECL Final and play Robbie then.

As for him scoring against "Arsenal reserves" try looking at Arsenals defence in that game. He beat Kolo Toure (one of the best around) to the ball at the near post which he flicked in.

The fact is last season he scored 5 FIRST GOALS which is always the most important goal, he was also one of our best players towards the end of that season, don't sit there and say to me he had it last season but lost it this season.

3rd doesn't make any difference over fourth lad. Thats the point. To be quite honest first is first, second is nowhere, so whats the point in 3rd and 4th?

Typical clueless post again.

Fowler is a good player still, pace isn't everything, never has been, never will be.

Actually stu it does make a difference. Read my last post. Do we really need 2 qualifyin games next season just to be a little sentimental to a player that hasn't done his utmost to keep in perfect fitness for his age?
I have nothin but admiration for Robbie as a player first time round, I'd have liked nothin more than to see him re-discover that this time. Truth is he didn't look after himself well enough and can't do it anymore.
You wanna see players look after themselves the way Sherringham did, the way Shearer did despite bad injuries. Robbie lost heart after the spice boys stuff all that time ago, football wasn't his be all and end all and now he's payin the price for that neglect.
Get your head out your sentimental arse and face the facts mate.

[Red_Freak]

Ermmmmm...........wouldn't we start in the qualifying round regardless if we finish 3rd or 4th?! That's the way it's been traditionally!

[KennyisGod....still]

3rd place = only 1 qualifyin round, 4 = 2

[barnesrush]

fowler needs to play more. especially now as pennant has started to play well to a more consistent level. these 2 linked up really well when theyve played together this season (galatasary, reading, reserves). its puzzling when u consider that fowler started games at the beggining of the season but been practically shut out since the everton game. if were desperate for a goal tonight or in the return leg, fowler must come on at the expense of a defender and get the ball in and around the box and id still back him to put one away, especially if that joker ferreira plays centre back. fowler is also a more effective player to start home games against teams who will sit deep, than bellamy imo

[Stu.Murph]

We wudn definately lose, but at a critcal stage of the season where we cud make a difference to the start of next season why risk a potentially weakened side?
Robbie's scored, but look at what he's scored against...... Sheffield Utd? Not the best I think you'd agree. Arsenal reserves? Galatasary? Not exactly the 'force' they used to be.
Let's secure 3rd, and think about restin players before a possible ECL Final and play Robbie then.

As for him scoring against "Arsenal reserves" try looking at Arsenals defence in that game. He beat Kolo Toure (one of the best around) to the ball at the near post which he flicked in.

The fact is last season he scored 5 FIRST GOALS which is always the most important goal, he was also one of our best players towards the end of that season, don't sit there and say to me he had it last season but lost it this season.

3rd doesn't make any difference over fourth lad. Thats the point. To be quite honest first is first, second is nowhere, so whats the point in 3rd and 4th?

Typical clueless post again.

Fowler is a good player still, pace isn't everything, never has been, never will be.

Actually stu it does make a difference. Read my last post. Do we really need 2 qualifyin games next season just to be a little sentimental to a player that hasn't done his utmost to keep in perfect fitness for his age?
I have nothin but admiration for Robbie as a player first time round, I'd have liked nothin more than to see him re-discover that this time. Truth is he didn't look after himself well enough and can't do it anymore.
You wanna see players look after themselves the way Sherringham did, the way Shearer did despite bad injuries. Robbie lost heart after the spice boys stuff all that time ago, football wasn't his be all and end all and now he's payin the price for that neglect.
Get your head out your sentimental arse and face the facts mate.

I did read your post and thats exactly why I said what I said.

3rd is no different to fourth with the exception of a couple of weeks wages worth of money for Steven Gerrard.

The qualifying is exactly the same I believe, and 2 games wouldn't make a difference anyway, if anything it will be extra competative match sharpness which we never had this season.

No-one here is suggest Robbie is the Robbie of old. We can all see he's well past his unbelievable best, but the fact is this season he's been on after coming in and improving the team last season, just as Crouch has in a way.

Kuyt and Bellamy have weakened this Liverpool team lad, as have Gonzalez and to a lesser extent Agger. We aren't as good a side as last season due to Fowler, Kewell and Hyypia being replaced by players who aren't as good and who haven't offered us what we need.

The league table doesn't lie, simple as that.

[KennyisGod....still]

if were desperate for a goal tonight or in the return leg, fowler must come on at the expense of a defender and get the ball in and around the box and id still back him to put one away, especially if that joker ferreira plays centre back.

Now thats better thinkin where Robbie's concerned.

[KennyisGod....still]

We wudn definately lose, but at a critcal stage of the season where we cud make a difference to the start of next season why risk a potentially weakened side?
Robbie's scored, but look at what he's scored against...... Sheffield Utd? Not the best I think you'd agree. Arsenal reserves? Galatasary? Not exactly the 'force' they used to be.
Let's secure 3rd, and think about restin players before a possible ECL Final and play Robbie then.

As for him scoring against "Arsenal reserves" try looking at Arsenals defence in that game. He beat Kolo Toure (one of the best around) to the ball at the near post which he flicked in.

The fact is last season he scored 5 FIRST GOALS which is always the most important goal, he was also one of our best players towards the end of that season, don't sit there and say to me he had it last season but lost it this season.

3rd doesn't make any difference over fourth lad. Thats the point. To be quite honest first is first, second is nowhere, so whats the point in 3rd and 4th?

Typical clueless post again.

Fowler is a good player still, pace isn't everything, never has been, never will be.

Actually stu it does make a difference. Read my last post. Do we really need 2 qualifyin games next season just to be a little sentimental to a player that hasn't done his utmost to keep in perfect fitness for his age?
I have nothin but admiration for Robbie as a player first time round, I'd have liked nothin more than to see him re-discover that this time. Truth is he didn't look after himself well enough and can't do it anymore.
You wanna see players look after themselves the way Sherringham did, the way Shearer did despite bad injuries. Robbie lost heart after the spice boys stuff all that time ago, football wasn't his be all and end all and now he's payin the price for that neglect.
Get your head out your sentimental arse and face the facts mate.

I did read your post and thats exactly why I said what I said.

3rd is no different to fourth with the exception of a couple of weeks wages worth of money for Steven Gerrard.

The qualifying is exactly the same so that arguement is completely incorrect.

No-one here is suggest Robbie is the Robbie of old. We can all see he's well past his unbelievable best, but the fact is this season he's been on after coming in and improving the team last season, just as Crouch has in a way.

Kuyt and Bellamy have weakened this Liverpool team lad, as have Gonzalez and to a lesser extent Agger. We aren't as good a side as last season due to Fowler, Kewell and Hyypia being replaced by players who aren't as good and who haven't offered us what we need.

The league table doesn't lie, simple as that.

Like i said, 3rd place means only one qualifyin round, 4th place means 2. A potential banana skin at that time of the season. Not a good price to pay.

[Stu.Murph]

We wudn definately lose, but at a critcal stage of the season where we cud make a difference to the start of next season why risk a potentially weakened side?
Robbie's scored, but look at what he's scored against...... Sheffield Utd? Not the best I think you'd agree. Arsenal reserves? Galatasary? Not exactly the 'force' they used to be.
Let's secure 3rd, and think about restin players before a possible ECL Final and play Robbie then.

As for him scoring against "Arsenal reserves" try looking at Arsenals defence in that game. He beat Kolo Toure (one of the best around) to the ball at the near post which he flicked in.

The fact is last season he scored 5 FIRST GOALS which is always the most important goal, he was also one of our best players towards the end of that season, don't sit there and say to me he had it last season but lost it this season.

3rd doesn't make any difference over fourth lad. Thats the point. To be quite honest first is first, second is nowhere, so whats the point in 3rd and 4th?

Typical clueless post again.

Fowler is a good player still, pace isn't everything, never has been, never will be.

Actually stu it does make a difference. Read my last post. Do we really need 2 qualifyin games next season just to be a little sentimental to a player that hasn't done his utmost to keep in perfect fitness for his age?
I have nothin but admiration for Robbie as a player first time round, I'd have liked nothin more than to see him re-discover that this time. Truth is he didn't look after himself well enough and can't do it anymore.
You wanna see players look after themselves the way Sherringham did, the way Shearer did despite bad injuries. Robbie lost heart after the spice boys stuff all that time ago, football wasn't his be all and end all and now he's payin the price for that neglect.
Get your head out your sentimental arse and face the facts mate.

I did read your post and thats exactly why I said what I said.

3rd is no different to fourth with the exception of a couple of weeks wages worth of money for Steven Gerrard.

The qualifying is exactly the same so that arguement is completely incorrect.

No-one here is suggest Robbie is the Robbie of old. We can all see he's well past his unbelievable best, but the fact is this season he's been on after coming in and improving the team last season, just as Crouch has in a way.

Kuyt and Bellamy have weakened this Liverpool team lad, as have Gonzalez and to a lesser extent Agger. We aren't as good a side as last season due to Fowler, Kewell and Hyypia being replaced by players who aren't as good and who haven't offered us what we need.

The league table doesn't lie, simple as that.

Like i said, 3rd place means only one qualifyin round, 4th place means 2. A potential banana skin at that time of the season. Not a good price to pay.

Behave lad, a Bannana skin against a team from northern ireland or somewhere. 

The match sharpness would be better for the team. Simple as that.

[puroresu]

I agree that 3rd & 4th is exactly the same.  In the wider scale of things it doesnt make a difference as you still got a qualify.

[Santa]

should make Robbie the captian in the last game v Charlton...that'll be a good & proper send off for him

[Ace Ventura]

We were playing Middlesbrough and Wigan at home, does anyone SERIOUSLY think that with Fowler playing in those games the results would of been different.

Because they wouldnt, we played with Gerrard off Crouch against Boro and Sissoko as an attacking midfielder, we should of played Robbie upfront with Crouch and Gerrard in his natural position, we would of won comfortably still and i am sure that Robbie would of got on the scoresheet.

[Bad Bob]

Like i said, 3rd place means only one qualifyin round, 4th place means 2. A potential banana skin at that time of the season. Not a good price to pay.

Let's clarify this, the 3rd and 4th place teams in England play the same number of qualifying rounds to get into the Champions League Group Stages: one.

Last season, we finished 3rd and had to play Maccabi Haifa in a 2-legged qualifier.  Arsenal finished 4th and they had to play Dinamo Zagreb in a 2-legged qualifier.  We both progressed directly to the group stages after winning those respective ties.  Now, unless UEFA has changed the rules again, finishing 3rd makes no difference than finishing 4th from a CL quailifiers perspective.

[SouthCoastShankly]

... and to a lesser extent Agger.

Dunno about everyone else but I think Agger has been quality this season, enough to keep Hyypia out of the team. So how he has weakened the team is beyond me?!

   

[Ola Mr Benitez]

personally I want to finish as high up the table as possible... Purely for a pride thing, finishing 3rd is better than finishing 4th.  Robbie Fowler unfotunately is no longer fit enough to play a full game.  Bring him off the bench for the last 30 mins againsy Charlton and I for one will stand and salute a player who was once an Anfield great. 

By the way Stu, I think your criticism of Agger is a bit harsh.  You say that this years team is weaker than last season for playing Agger instead of Hypia (amongst others), but do you really thing tha Sami is still capable of playing at that unbelievable level week in, week out?

Agger looks like a fantactic player to me, and I can't think of any reason why you think he has weakend our team?