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Ola Mr Benitez wrote:personally I want to finish as high up the table as possible... Purely for a pride thing, finishing 3rd is better than finishing 4th.  Robbie Fowler unfotunately is no longer fit enough to play a full game.  Bring him off the bench for the last 30 mins againsy Charlton and I for one will stand and salute a player who was once an Anfield great. 

By the way Stu, I think your criticism of Agger is a bit harsh.  You say that this years team is weaker than last season for playing Agger instead of Hypia (amongst others), but do you really thing tha Sami is still capable of playing at that unbelievable level week in, week out?

Agger looks like a fantactic player to me, and I can't think of any reason why you think he has weakend our team?

Rafa-Dodd wrote:I want us to finish 3rd in the league for the 2nd consecitive year. I'm fed up of the pundits talking about the big 4 and us being slightly inferior to Arsenal, United and Chelsea. By finishing 3rd again we have some valid back up and offically we're the 3rd best team in the country. No good enough for most of us but better than 4th. I think the £££'s difference between 3rd and 4th is around £400,000 actually so to the money men, thats quite a hefty sum for them to play about with.

With all due respect Stu I don't think the poll is correct. I have been quite vocal in my opposition to Robbie playing instead of Kuyt, Bellamy and Crouch. I feel that these strikers bring all the requirements that we need for our style of play. I still think Robbie could do a job in the Premiership just not under Rafa and the style he adopts. He expects a lot more from the strikers and unfortunately Robbie cannot deliever whats expected. However now with the season all but over I feel Robbie can be used in most home games especially we the Champions League being a priority for us.

And I fully expect Rafa to be playing Robbie on the last day of the season for him to say his final goodbye - anything else and the fans will make themselves heard.

What Gerrard's wages for a month is a hefty sum?

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

Stu.Murph wrote:

Rafa-Dodd wrote:I want us to finish 3rd in the league for the 2nd consecitive year. I'm fed up of the pundits talking about the big 4 and us being slightly inferior to Arsenal, United and Chelsea. By finishing 3rd again we have some valid back up and offically we're the 3rd best team in the country. No good enough for most of us but better than 4th. I think the £££'s difference between 3rd and 4th is around £400,000 actually so to the money men, thats quite a hefty sum for them to play about with.

With all due respect Stu I don't think the poll is correct. I have been quite vocal in my opposition to Robbie playing instead of Kuyt, Bellamy and Crouch. I feel that these strikers bring all the requirements that we need for our style of play. I still think Robbie could do a job in the Premiership just not under Rafa and the style he adopts. He expects a lot more from the strikers and unfortunately Robbie cannot deliever whats expected. However now with the season all but over I feel Robbie can be used in most home games especially we the Champions League being a priority for us.

And I fully expect Rafa to be playing Robbie on the last day of the season for him to say his final goodbye - anything else and the fans will make themselves heard.

What Gerrard's wages for a month is a hefty sum?

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Elchris wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Defenders plays better as they age , gaining more experince

That lad could only get better..he's not worldclass yet , but i reckon he's gettin there.

Stu.Murph wrote:

Elchris wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Defenders plays better as they age , gaining more experince

That lad could only get better..he's not worldclass yet , but i reckon he's gettin there.

Which is the exact reason I never ever take anything you say seriously.

Elchris wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

Elchris wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Defenders plays better as they age , gaining more experince

That lad could only get better..he's not worldclass yet , but i reckon he's gettin there.

Which is the exact reason I never ever take anything you say seriously.

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Yep, that pretty much sums up your contribution to these boards. Correct.

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Ace Ventura wrote:We were playing Middlesbrough and Wigan at home, does anyone SERIOUSLY think that with Fowler playing in those games the results would of been different.

Because they wouldnt, we played with Gerrard off Crouch against Boro and Sissoko as an attacking midfielder, we should of played Robbie upfront with Crouch and Gerrard in his natural position, we would of won comfortably still and i am sure that Robbie would of got on the scoresheet.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Owen wasn't at his best at 17. He was at his best when he was 21, the year he scored the hat-trick against Germany.

Agger isn't at his best now, how can he be? This will be his first full season. Agger has all the assets the be one of the best centre-backs in the world. He's good in the air, his distribution is good, he has a cracking shot and scores. For his age he is miles apart from most of his peers. All the potential for greatness in my opinion.

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Owen wasn't at his best at 17. He was at his best when he was 21, the year he scored the hat-trick against Germany.

Agger isn't at his best now, how can he be? This will be his first full season. Agger has all the assets the be one of the best centre-backs in the world. He's good in the air, his distribution is good, he has a cracking shot and scores. For his age he is miles apart from most of his peers. All the potential for greatness in my opinion.

LFC #1 wrote:

SouthCoastShankly wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

stmichael wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:Daniel Agger though in my opinion is not and probably never will be the answer in Liverpool's defence. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it.

He is not a better player than Sami Hyypia was at his best.

yeah but hyypia was in his prime when he was 27-28. agger's only 21.

Owen was 17, whats your point?

Owen wasn't at his best at 17. He was at his best when he was 21, the year he scored the hat-trick against Germany.

Agger isn't at his best now, how can he be? This will be his first full season. Agger has all the assets the be one of the best centre-backs in the world. He's good in the air, his distribution is good, he has a cracking shot and scores. For his age he is miles apart from most of his peers. All the potential for greatness in my opinion.

Having a good shot isn't an attribute you'd immediately look for in a centre-half, but it's a nice addition for sure. He also looks good on the ball when coming forward. His distribution is good, but could be better. I think his ability on the ball actually gives people the impression his distribution is better than it actually is. It's good, but he still looks for a long ball when there is a better option available short on occasions. I'd say his distribution is definitley the best of our 3 centre halves though (Carra, Sami and himself).

That being said howver, his reading of the game is still only decent and he does lose concentration and is a little too nonchalant for my liking sometimes. In this area of the game, like Stu said he'll never reach Sami's level IMO.

He's been a good signing and is definitley first team material, but could we improve on him? probably. I still think as soon as Sami goes another top quality centre half is a must as Paletta is one I'm not sure about either.   

Overall I still think Stu is being a little harsh on him.

Overall I just think you shove it up your .

Seriously though, do you honestly think Scott, he'll be as good as Vidic, Ferdinand, Woodgate, Toure, Gallas, Terry or any of the other top quality centre halfs in this country?

I certainly don't.

I don't think he's a bad player, don't get me wrong. But I think the likes of Woodgate are a class above and what we should be looking to sign.