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by **Redman in wales** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:09 am

A.B. wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
A.B. wrote:The way Mascherano and Tevez have been treated at West Ham is disgusting imo. Are you telling me that Bobby F#cking Zamora is better than Tevez? Everytime Tevez comes on the pitch he brings another dimension to their play but he hardly get's a look in.

Mascherano on the other hand is being treated even worse. He has the ability but he isn't being given a chance. The reason is because West Ham can't wait for him to settle. They don't have the time for that, they need instant success in order to avoid relegation.

They aren't willing to build the squad around him because they all know that he will be off. They knew that from the beginning, which is why everyone was shocked why the signed them in the first place.

I'd rather have Mascherano than Bolo f#cking Zenden.

A not bad extension of my post that A.B

Btw, according to the Echo [dont know whether or not this has been mentioned], Mascherano has only played for one team this year.

The Brazilian league ended in December of 2005 and he didn't play for them in 2006.

So he's only technically played for one club [West Ham] this past calendar year. But it's down to FIFA.

it depends on the source. some say he has played, some say he hasnt.

If he hasnt played for anyone else in 2006 apart from westham its not even FIFA's decision as there would be nothing to decide on- which is why i tend to think he did.

I posted a link earlier from the telegraph which suggested he played for corithians in august...

it was written on 01/09/2006 and states:

"Mascherano, who is also 22, was similarly unsettled after being sent off last weekend and then missing a training session.

by **GOAT** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:25 am

Liverpool make move for Mascherano

Mersey club hope to break Fifa rules impasse; Curbishley aims to fill gap with £5m Boa Morte

Dominic Fifield and Jon Brodkin
Friday January 5, 2007
The Guardian

Liverpool have agreed to sign Javier Mascherano from West Ham United until the end of the season with a view to a longer-term deal, though there still appears to be a major obstacle to overcome if the move is to be completed. Fifa said last night it would refuse to sanction the transfer.
Mascherano arrived at Upton Park from Corinthians on transfer deadline day in August having already represented the Brazilian club in competitive action since the World Cup finals. Article Five, Paragraph Three of Fifa's regulations stipulates that, while players can be registered for a maximum of three clubs from July 1 until June 30 the following year, they are eligible to play for only two in that time.

The West Ham manager, Alan Curbishley, who has agreed a fee of £5m with Fulham for Luis Boa Morte, is already planning for life without Mascherano despite Fifa indicating last night that the rules would technically prevent the Argentina midfielder from completing a loan move to Anfield. Indeed, it is understood to have outlined the situation to the West Ham owner, Eggert Magnusson, when asked at the end of November.
"Our understanding, as of today, is the rule is binding," said a Fifa spokesman. "That means that, if a player has already played and registered and been eligible for two clubs from the period of July 1 to June 30, he is not any longer eligible for another club until the next period begins [on July 1]. There is no provision that allows for any kind of waiving of this rule."

Yet Mascherano's representatives, Media Sports Investments, whose founder Kia Joorabchian brokered his move alongside that of Carlos Tevez from Brazil to east London with the company retaining the players' image rights, are convinced a deal can still be struck even if they must challenge Fifa to force completion. The Liverpool manager, Rafael Benítez, is understood to share that confidence, with the player having agreed personal terms and the transfer discussed at length at a board meeting yesterday. The deal is expected to be a loan with an option to purchase at the end of the season.

Benítez will also add the Blackburn Rovers defender Lucas Neill to his ranks this month, with Stephen Warnock possibly moving in the other direction. While both Neill and Mascherano have played in the Uefa Cup this season, Liverpool will most likely submit the Australian as their one additional eligible player for their Champions League campaign under new Uefa rules, leaving the Argentinian as cover for Steven Gerrard and Xabi Alonso in domestic competition. The 22-year-old has made only seven appearances for West Ham and none since Curbishley took over.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:48 am

I still maintain there was more to their transfer to West Ham than meets the eye.

The 2 hottest properties in Southern America, and they both go to a sh*tty Londonclub with no prospects?

Dodgy deals - no doubt a bit of money laundering or some such lark.

by **aCe'** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:54 am

some on this thread have obviously NEVER seen Mascherano play...
i have seen ALOT of this guy and i can tell you... he is a GREAT player !
better than sissoko in almost every aspect of the game...except for physicality !
he can pass the ball...dribble...shoot... great all round player and definitely one of the best defensive midfielders out there !
He'd make starting lineup in most major clubs around europe... dot see how shtty west ham dont start him...
definitely not because they have better because no way they do !
Tevez is also one of the best young players in the world... yet he cant seem to make the starting lineup ahead of sheringham either ?!

We take him on loan... would make a great deall.... only problem is... where will we play him ?!
4-3-3 is an option but if we start losing i think everyone will start criticising rafa for changing a winning formation... dropping players who are atlast starting to gain understanding !

Gerrard moved back to right side is another move id hate for rafa to make... Gerrard is a central midfielder... playing him in the right side should only be if we dont have a decent right winger... PENNANT.... hes a good player and one who is finally starting to heat up and perform ! i dont think that things need alot of changing the way they are atm !
Signing Mascherano would be extra treat in an already capable squad...
the fact that its only a loan signing makes things sound a hell lot better

Neil on the other hand is no more than backup... if hes here to play on the left flank...i say fck that !
Riise is a better left back then Neil... perhaps not a better defender..but definitely a better left back..

If we are to pay any money this Jan. window... id like for it to go for a new left winger or left back instead of players we dont need...

Way it stands at the moment .. (Neil for free or real cheap) & (Mascherano on loan) ... doesnt look too bad !

by **Redman in wales** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:37 am

aCe' wrote:some on this thread have obviously NEVER seen Mascherano play...
i have seen ALOT of this guy and i can tell you... he is a GREAT player !
better than sissoko in almost every aspect of the game...except for physicality !
he can pass the ball...dribble...shoot... great all round player and definitely one of the best defensive midfielders out there !
He'd make starting lineup in most major clubs around europe... dot see how shtty west ham dont start him...
definitely not because they have better because no way they do !
Tevez is also one of the best young players in the world... yet he cant seem to make the starting lineup ahead of sheringham either ?!

We take him on loan... would make a great deall.... only problem is... where will we play him ?!
4-3-3 is an option but if we start losing i think everyone will start criticising rafa for changing a winning formation... dropping players who are atlast starting to gain understanding !

Gerrard moved back to right side is another move id hate for rafa to make... Gerrard is a central midfielder... playing him in the right side should only be if we dont have a decent right winger... PENNANT.... hes a good player and one who is finally starting to heat up and perform ! i dont think that things need alot of changing the way they are atm !
Signing Mascherano would be extra treat in an already capable squad...
the fact that its only a loan signing makes things sound a hell lot better

Neil on the other hand is no more than backup... if hes here to play on the left flank...i say fck that !
Riise is a better left back then Neil... perhaps not a better defender..but definitely a better left back..

If we are to pay any money this Jan. window... id like for it to go for a new left winger or left back instead of players we dont need...

Way it stands at the moment .. (Neil for free or real cheap) & (Mascherano on loan) ... doesnt look too bad !

I agree there ace.

we've won 7 of the last 9 league matches, and are playing well. obviously xabi/gerrard will need a rest from time to time, but as good as mascherano is, i dont think it main starting 11 should change.

As good as his footballing abilities are, no-one really knows if he'll settle here, or what his personality/termperament is like. I hope its on loan first, with an option to buy. I'd hate to see us spend 6mil on a player who, for one reason or another (i.e. cant adapt/personality/termperament/politics) doesn't start from west ham. It could be a real gamble if he does a "Nando"

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:42 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I still maintain there was more to their transfer to West Ham than meets the eye.

The 2 hottest properties in Southern America, and they both go to a sh*tty Londonclub with no prospects?

Dodgy deals - no doubt a bit of money laundering or some such lark.

MSi thought they would be the new owners of west ham, but that deal fell through, after they had given them the two players.
That Magnusson bloke doesnt want either.
Id love Tevez to come to Liverpool, its a pity we cant have them both

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:59 am

aCe' wrote:some on this thread have obviously NEVER seen Mascherano play...
i have seen ALOT of this guy and i can tell you... he is a GREAT player !
better than sissoko in almost every aspect of the game...except for physicality !
he can pass the ball...dribble...shoot... great all round player and definitely one of the best defensive midfielders out there !
He'd make starting lineup in most major clubs around europe... dot see how shtty west ham dont start him...
definitely not because they have better because no way they do !
Tevez is also one of the best young players in the world... yet he cant seem to make the starting lineup ahead of sheringham either ?!

We take him on loan... would make a great deall.... only problem is... where will we play him ?!
4-3-3 is an option but if we start losing i think everyone will start criticising rafa for changing a winning formation... dropping players who are atlast starting to gain understanding !

Gerrard moved back to right side is another move id hate for rafa to make... Gerrard is a central midfielder... playing him in the right side should only be if we dont have a decent right winger... PENNANT.... hes a good player and one who is finally starting to heat up and perform ! i dont think that things need alot of changing the way they are atm !
Signing Mascherano would be extra treat in an already capable squad...
the fact that its only a loan signing makes things sound a hell lot better

Neil on the other hand is no more than backup... if hes here to play on the left flank...i say fck that !
Riise is a better left back then Neil... perhaps not a better defender..but definitely a better left back..

If we are to pay any money this Jan. window... id like for it to go for a new left winger or left back instead of players we dont need...

Way it stands at the moment .. (Neil for free or real cheap) & (Mascherano on loan) ... doesnt look too bad !

He is a great player but I'd take Sissoko over him anyday. Sissoko is simply a better player in every aspect aside from scoring.

by **tubby** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:02 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I still maintain there was more to their transfer to West Ham than meets the eye.

The 2 hottest properties in Southern America, and they both go to a sh*tty Londonclub with no prospects?

Dodgy deals - no doubt a bit of money laundering or some such lark.

Im sure you know this but the fella who owned them (MIC i think the company is called) only took them there as a way to "butter up" his chances of taking over the club.

Even then I think it was only ever going to be a temp deal but it was good in a way to see how they can cope with Premiership football.

If he does come to Liverpool though im glad its only on loan for the time being. Hopefully he can make something of a comeback as im sure he is really low on moral right now.

by **dawson99** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:06 am

But the guy wants to leave west ham for more football, would he get that much more with us?

i havent seen enough of him to decide myself, bizarre one if u ask me. and we dont even know if he is legally allowed to join us yet

by **kobashi** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 10:12 am

looks like deal is off!

http://home.skysports.com/list.as....ch+move

by **sissoko_22** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:40 pm

we are Liverpool fc and should be lookin for world class players.if mascherano doesnt like bein on the west ham bench then how will he feel bein 4th choice at liverpool.as for neill, he could be usefull because he can play in many positions.

by **redmikey** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:53 pm

ace , big shout to say he ios better than momo, as momo is doing it week in week out, didn't need time to settle , just to learn that he had to stop kicking everyone not in red

i think he would be a good player to have at the club on loan but who would he play instead of.... gerrard,xabi NO FECKING WAY

a player of his standard will want to play week in week out anf lfc can't give him that i don't reckon it will com e off

neil is squad cover at best get baines from wigan,and bale from the saints for the future

by **tubby** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:18 pm

kobashi wrote:looks like deal is off!

http://home.skysports.com/list.as....ch+move

Not sure how reliable its sources were but The Mirror today said that the deal had been completed as has his medical. And apparantly Rafa wants him "badley".

If FIFA block this then perhaps Rafa could still take him on only not allowing him to play until next season. Not sure how much he would figure for West Ham for the rest of the season so if Rafa is really intent on getting him i suppose he could just keep him in training.

by **stmichael** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:31 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
aCe' wrote:some on this thread have obviously NEVER seen Mascherano play...
i have seen ALOT of this guy and i can tell you... he is a GREAT player !
better than sissoko in almost every aspect of the game...except for physicality !
he can pass the ball...dribble...shoot... great all round player and definitely one of the best defensive midfielders out there !
He'd make starting lineup in most major clubs around europe... dot see how shtty west ham dont start him...
definitely not because they have better because no way they do !
Tevez is also one of the best young players in the world... yet he cant seem to make the starting lineup ahead of sheringham either ?!

We take him on loan... would make a great deall.... only problem is... where will we play him ?!
4-3-3 is an option but if we start losing i think everyone will start criticising rafa for changing a winning formation... dropping players who are atlast starting to gain understanding !

Gerrard moved back to right side is another move id hate for rafa to make... Gerrard is a central midfielder... playing him in the right side should only be if we dont have a decent right winger... PENNANT.... hes a good player and one who is finally starting to heat up and perform ! i dont think that things need alot of changing the way they are atm !
Signing Mascherano would be extra treat in an already capable squad...
the fact that its only a loan signing makes things sound a hell lot better

Neil on the other hand is no more than backup... if hes here to play on the left flank...i say fck that !
Riise is a better left back then Neil... perhaps not a better defender..but definitely a better left back..

If we are to pay any money this Jan. window... id like for it to go for a new left winger or left back instead of players we dont need...

Way it stands at the moment .. (Neil for free or real cheap) & (Mascherano on loan) ... doesnt look too bad !

He is a great player but I'd take Sissoko over him anyday. Sissoko is simply a better player in every aspect aside from scoring.

You must be joking. Sissoko, as brilliant as he is, can't pass a ball five yards.

I'm going to be slightly controversial here. From a footballing point of view, I can't help but feel we'd be better off with Mascherano than Sissoko, whilst I love Momo and think he's great at what he does, there are times when you've got to look at him and think about whether his limited ability with the ball is stunting us going forward, especially when we play at home against sides we should be beating anyway.

Mascherano is very similar to Hamann and if you offered me a choice between Mascherano and Sissoko, I'd take Mascherano. However this doesn't mean I want Sissoko to leave. He's only young and he'll be an absolute monster given time.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:08 pm

I think Momo is one of the best midfield destroyers in the prem and I have always thought he was worth his place in the team. Having seen the increased pace of our game without him I am starting to have the first shadows of doubt about him being an automatic first team choice. I see Mascherano more as cover/threat for Xabi rather than Sissoko though.

I agree with aCe Mascherano is a top player who I would welcome with open arms, whether he would get enough first team football to keep him happy is down to him and how he performs/adapts.

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