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by **jimmyb** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:19 pm

why cant michael owen have a bad game without being branded "he,s finished" he has been one of the best goalscorers we,ve seen and over the last six years has been our leading goalscorer every year even with all his injuries, which means he misses ten to fifteen games a season .in our treble year he was rested a few times by gh and seemed a lot fresher for it. he,s been worked into the ground the last few years by lfc playing the same game as england big long balls into space! no wonder he looks tired

by **Sean** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:49 pm

Last nights game couldn't have gone beter for Liverpool. Michael Owen hardly got a kick of the ball never mind have a shot on goal. Anyone interested in acquiring his services wouln't have been impressed. Meanwhile Gerrards attempted back pass that back fired will surely have alarmed the fickle Abramovich and the russian will probabaly turn his attention elsewhere. In fact, I reckon another couple of displays by our lads like last night and we can rest assured that both will be wearing Liverpool shits next season.

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:52 pm

sean i hear what you're saying, and i hope you're right.

but i don't think most of the football world are stupid enough to believe that they are bad players.

by **Sean** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:56 pm

Probabaly not.
Did you check out Larsson tonight ? Hes 31 or 32 but could still do a great job in the premiership. I thought he showed a hunger that Owen has been lacking...or maybe its just confidence ?

by **115-1073096938** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:06 pm

probably both, he done well.

he's a good player.

bit overated but not a bad player at all.

wants to go somewhere warm apparently tho... so that ****** enland right off.

by **84-1083280474** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:50 am

I do think Owen has seen his better days, although still young, he wont always be able to pull it out of the bag.

id cash in on him personally

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:54 am

He's 24

by **begintoend** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:27 am

Larsson was great last night. By which standard was he over-rated? The one over-rated is MO only.
The fans and press expect Larsson to deliver for Sweden. He did.
The fans and press expect Rooney to deliver for England. He did.
The fans and press expect Owen to deliver for England. HE DID NOT!!!

The over-rated one is Owen for England. Owen really needs to reflect on how he can contribute to the team. If you want another player to only run around the field for 70 odd minutes, get a runner!

At this rate, the only cup England will win is only the Rugby World Cup.

by **stmichael** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:53 am

Anyone who thinks he is not the player he was should look at his record. Owen's goal tally has gone from 23, 23 (then the hamstring injury-hit season), then 24, 28 and 28. This season it was 19, but he was only two goals short, with 17, of his best league total, despite missing a quarter of the league campaign and playing in a team lacking direction and nowhere near as good as the top sides (who were an embarrassing 15-30 points ahead); and also a side that didn't progress in any of the cups (and these days he doesn't line up against the poor sides in the League Cup, where he would score hat-tricks in his early years).

The Liverpool side during recent seasons has played to some of his strengths (long quick passes) but also failed to deliver a variety of chances - no one gets to the byline to pull the ball back, for example, and there have been too few hard-and-low crosses from either flank. The style of play became increasingly predictable, making it easier to stop him. Yet still he scored at the same impressive ratio. And still he more-often-than-not scores in the big games - he has his entire career. It is a mark of his quality.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:18 pm

Larsson was great last night. By which standard was he over-rated? The one over-rated is MO only.
The fans and press expect Larsson to deliver for Sweden. He did.
The fans and press expect Rooney to deliver for England. He did.
The fans and press expect Owen to deliver for England. HE DID NOT!!!

The over-rated one is Owen for England. Owen really needs to reflect on how he can contribute to the team. If you want another player to only run around the field for 70 odd minutes, get a runner!

At this rate, the only cup England will win is only the Rugby World Cup.

Gerrard, Beckham, Trezeguet and Henry didn't perfom either... are they all overated aswell then?

Get real!

One bad game doesn't make you a failiure.

begintoed... do you go to any football matches? Liverpool ones i mean? Had you been to any of the games this season you would have seen the only players tho looked class were Hyypia, Gerrard and Owen. The rest looked pretty average more often than not where as these three constantly stood out.

Also you point out how great Larsson is... Look at the standard of opposition lad. France vs Bulgaria, Thuram, Gallas, Silvestre, Lizerazu (Europian and world cup winners there) to a bunch of unknown bulgarian players...

by **woof woof !** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:06 pm

begintoend wrote:The over-rated one is Owen for England. Owen really needs to reflect on how he can contribute to the team. If you want another player to only run around the field for 70 odd minutes, get a runner!

Bigtoerag, I know working as a timekeeper in a singapore knocking shop has it's advantages but obviously one of them is not a knowledge of football. Owen had virtually 0% service but stuck to his task. If he had been presented with the opportunities that Larson was given you would no doubt be singing a different tune.

by **stmichael** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:10 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
begintoend wrote:The over-rated one is Owen for England. Owen really needs to reflect on how he can contribute to the team. If you want another player to only run around the field for 70 odd minutes, get a runner!

Bigtoerag, I know working as a timekeeper in a singapore knocking shop has it's advantages but obviously one of them is not a knowledge of football. Owen had virtually 0% service but stuck to his task. If he had been presented with the opportunities that Larson was given you would no doubt be singing a different tune.

couldn't agree more woof woof. you didn't see owen during the game the other night becasue beckham and scholes didn't knock ONE BALL between them into the penalty area.

for me, since rooney has come into the team, the whole dynamic of the side has changed. everything used to be geared through mikey but now it is geared more to rooney who can come deep with his back to goal, turn and run at people. i seriously think that owen has been told not to come deep for the ball in the last couple of years.

by **woof woof !** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:18 pm

stmichael wrote:for me, since rooney has come into the team, the whole dynamic of the side has changed. everything used to be geared through mikey but now it is geared more to rooney who can come deep with his back to goal, turn and run at people. i seriously think that owen has been told not to come deep for the ball in the last couple of years.

Spot on. and I think it's a good thing. give the opposition a dilemma, will Rooney run from deep or will it be a quick one through to Owen ?
Owen's menace upfront is allowing some space for Rooney to operate in,we shouldn't however allow Mikey to operate soley as a decoy (which he did against france) Gerrard,Becham,Scholes etc should still be looking to feed him some decent ball.

by **begintoend** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:38 pm

OK, what's the main role of a striker?
I have never been to Liverpool to see him play live. And so I am not deem to judge him?
And I am not brit and not born in liverpool, thus I have no knowledge of football ya?
And my eyes are failing me, cos my sight can't catch Owen when he has the ball?
Over the game, Owen did his task cos the midfield did not help him, therefore he does not need to create chances for himself and definitely has no need to irritate the defenders.

Flame me for all I care. But think.....

I can tolerate him for another season. I have seen how good he was.
If this is what you think of Owen as the No.1 prolific striker for Liverpool, lets see his contribution. I'll be glad and happy if he proves me wrong. If not, I don't see why you people are still happy with him.

I wouldn't care if he gets to score in Euro or not; my support are not on England. But Owen must contribute to LFC if he wants to wear that red shirt!

by **woof woof !** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:50 pm

begintoend wrote:I have never been to Liverpool to see him play live. And so I am not deem to judge him?

Bigtoerag,you can deem to judge him all you like, just don't be surprised if we deem to not agree with you.
ps. give my regards to "Bugis Street"

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