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Good Bob wrote:Players like Carragher, Terry and Lampard are in a system they know with players they know and an environment they know. It matters a great deal. They aren't international class players and they wouldn't look as good in other systems as they all proved during the world cup.

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john craig wrote:

Good Bob wrote:Performances relate to tactics. Ability doesn't.

ability + tactics + suitability to style of league = performance

Style of league means nothing. If thats the case why don't the English teams just play the English way against forgeiners and then they'll win every game.

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john craig wrote:

Good Bob wrote:Players like Carragher, Terry and Lampard are in a system they know with players they know and an environment they know. It matters a great deal. They aren't international class players and they wouldn't look as good in other systems as they all proved during the world cup.

I'd give them a chance of playing under a decent International manager before making a snap judgement like that to be honest.  You're judging their ability to adapt to a system where none of the players seemed to know their role. 

As for Juninho and Kinkladze.  Juninho had one or two good seasons, one in particular in England.  Kinkladze had one good season before fading into oblivion in the lower leagues. Whats that you said about form being temporary?  Bad examples.

I'm judging a players ability. How many times? I'm not judging the system and i'm not on about that manager. I'm on about the players as individuals. I'm on about ability as a whole. As a footballer.

John listen mate, playing in a different system doesn't make you control a ball better, run faster, spot a pass better, improve your technique, improve your bottle, make you more aggressive etc. It can help you play to your strengths, but it can never make an average player world class.

An international team can never and will never have a style as defined as a club side and can never and will never compete tactically with a club side. It won't happen. Club players play with there team mates every day, they drill every situation. International players don't do that, never have and never will. So therefore they are going to encounter very very very different situations and they need to adapt and players like Carragher and Terry don't have that alround ability.

Its all about ability. Like i've said a million times.

I can't put it any more simply for you.

You either have it or you don't. For Chelsea Lampard doesn't have amazing vision, a world class touch and world class passing ability. Its the same at every level. Steven Gerrard's ability to shoot and ability to tackle doesn't decrease when he plays for England.

john craig wrote:

Good Bob wrote:

john craig wrote:

Good Bob wrote:Performances relate to tactics. Ability doesn't.

ability + tactics + suitability to style of league = performance

Style of league means nothing. If thats the case why don't the English teams just play the English way against forgeiners and then they'll win every game.

Luis Garcia plays in the same position for Liverpool in the same system both in league games and European games.  He's more effective in Europe than the Premiership.  But style means nothing?

English teams have got the the CL final 2 years running playing a high tempo 'English style'.

Am not having it that Luis Garcia's better in Europe. Rubbish.

He's the same player every week. Some of the excuses and media people come out with these days is laughable.

Good Bob wrote:I'm judging a players ability. How many times? I'm not judging the system and i'm not on about that manager. I'm on about the players as individuals. I'm on about ability as a whole. As a footballer.

John listen mate, playing in a different system doesn't make you control a ball better, run faster, spot a pass better, improve your technique, improve your bottle, make you more aggressive etc. It can help you play to your strengths, but it can never make an average player world class.

An international team can never and will never have a style as defined as a club side and can never and will never compete tactically with a club side. It won't happen. Club players play with there team mates every day, they drill every situation. International players don't do that, never have and never will. So therefore they are going to encounter very very very different situations and they need to adapt and players like Carragher and Terry don't have that alround ability.

Its all about ability. Like i've said a million times.

I can't put it any more simply for you.

You either have it or you don't. For Chelsea Lampard doesn't have amazing vision, a world class touch and world class passing ability. Its the same at every level. Steven Gerrard's ability to shoot and ability to tackle doesn't decrease when he plays for England.

We're going in circles here Stu, just accept I'm right and we can leave it

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john craig wrote:

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